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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 04:07 |
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| sparr | would it be unusual to license works under two different CC licenses? I have been using CC-BY-SA for all my photography, but am considering also using CC-BY-NC | 05:29 |
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| greg-g | sparr: you can license the same work under 2 licenses, that way users can choose which one makes the most sense in their use case | 13:10 |
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| greg-g | but you can't remove a license from a work, just fyi. http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_if_I_change_my_mind.3F | 13:11 |
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| paroneayea | argh | 14:25 |
| paroneayea | just wiped some commits I didn't push | 14:25 |
| paroneayea | argh | 14:25 |
| paroneayea | they're easy to reproduce though. | 14:25 |
| paulproteus | paroneayea, git reflog | 14:36 |
| paulproteus | They're still there. | 14:37 |
| paroneayea | paulproteus: oh | 14:38 |
| paroneayea | good to know ;p | 14:38 |
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| sparr | greg-g: I know I can, but it doesn't seem common, or well supported in systems that support CC | 14:56 |
| sparr | greg-g: for example, what is the appropriate syntax for two license URLs in XMP/EXIF/IPTC tags on an image? how can you have two licenses for a CC work on flickr (can't?) or Wikipedia (two license blocks, but that confuses the bots)? | 14:57 |
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| paroneayea | nathany: there is no i18n directory in license.rdf.git like there is in svn... should I just copy over the files from svn? | 15:25 |
| paroneayea | (and is there any particular reason that thsi is the case that I should know of?) | 15:26 |
| nathany | paroneayea: i'm guessing the i18n directory in svn is actually pulled in via an svn:external | 15:26 |
| nathany | those don't get handled by git-svn, but we can add a git submodule | 15:26 |
| paroneayea | oh right | 15:26 |
| nathany | paroneayea: it's possible we'll come up with a better way to handle that linkage at some point in the future... but not now :) | 15:27 |
| paroneayea | k, cool :) | 15:28 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Any idea why CaseStudy doesn't display as a category in SemanticDrilldown?: | 16:17 |
| nkinkade | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Special:BrowseData | 16:17 |
| nkinkade | Template:Case_Study has this: [[Category:Casestudy]] | 16:18 |
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| jibot | mlinksva is from Creative Commons and Mike Linksvayer | 16:37 |
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| jibot | akozak is Alex Kozak, Program Assistant at ccLearn and SFC@Berkeley co-founder and a norse god | 16:39 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i think drilldown requires facets to be defined | 16:42 |
| nathany | (but i'm not sure) | 16:42 |
| nathany | nkinkade: er, Filters | 16:42 |
| nathany | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Drilldown#Getting_started | 16:42 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Does that mean that Drilldown won't work for the Case Studies without someone manually entering data for each study and/or modifying the template? | 16:42 |
| nathany | nkinkade: no, you need to define what properties you care about on the category page | 16:43 |
| nkinkade | Okay, I'll take a look. Thanks. | 16:43 |
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| akozak | nkinkade: michelle and i are about to meet about that | 16:47 |
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| akozak | nkinkade or mralex: could you go to http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Special:SMWAdmin and start a data repair/upgrade? | 17:11 |
| akozak | wait | 17:12 |
| akozak | on second though, let's do it later after these pages get moved | 17:12 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Done | 17:12 |
| akozak | ok now works too | 17:12 |
| nkinkade | Sorry. | 17:12 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Any news on the new /donate Drupal page? | 17:12 |
| mralex | nkinkade: working out some integration issues, vs the jquery/jquery-ui that ships with civicrm | 17:13 |
| mralex | nkinkade: i don't like the fact civicrm <head> stuff gets included on non-civi pages. | 17:13 |
| nkinkade | Cool. Just making sure that something didn't slip past me yesterday. | 17:13 |
| nkinkade | That seems weird that the CiviCRM includes get included even on non-CiviCRM pages. | 17:14 |
| nkinkade | I wonder if it's a bug, or if we have an issue in the template?? | 17:14 |
| mralex | the template just has print $scripts; as it should. i'd call it a bug, or sloppy coding, on civi | 17:14 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Let me check with the Civi devs to see what they have to say, because that seems rather suboptimal to me. | 17:15 |
| mralex | nkinkade: indeed | 17:16 |
| lotia | any mediawiki ninjas on. greg-g mentioned that you guys do a ton with it. | 17:23 |
| greg-g | I can point and name names, but I'll let them do it themselves :) | 17:24 |
| * lotia laughs | 17:24 | |
| nkinkade | mralex: I'm on #civicrm asking about this, and they are looking into it ... they seem to think it's a bug. | 17:29 |
| nkinkade | They are saying that some code that outputs those headers is outside of some conditional when it really shouldn't be. | 17:30 |
| mralex | in the civicrm code, or our template? | 17:30 |
| nkinkade | mralex: In the CiviCRM code. | 17:30 |
| nkinkade | They are going to issue a bug fix. | 17:30 |
| mralex | excellent | 17:30 |
| nkinkade | I'll get details for you. | 17:31 |
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| mralex | nkinkade: are we keeping the old style donation interface for split monthly donations? | 17:58 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Good question. I guess it's something we haven't really factored in yet. | 17:58 |
| nkinkade | nathany: ^^ | 17:58 |
| nathany | sigh | 17:59 |
| nathany | it'd be awesome if we could wrap that into the new interface... but if we can't do that easily... | 17:59 |
| nathany | (although it seems like it's just another variable(s) to pass to PayPal, right?) | 18:00 |
| akozak | nkinkade: going to move those pages soon, can we backup the cc wiki db? | 18:00 |
| greg-g | so yeah, to name names, lotia: mralex with design of it and nkinkade/akozak with plugins etc. | 18:00 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I think it should be pretty easy for use to pass that info on to PayPal ... like you say, just one variable. | 18:00 |
| nkinkade | It probably just means mralex having to add that functionality into the popup or otherwise???? | 18:01 |
| nathany | nkinkade: iirc it may be a couple variables -- # of payments, interval, etc | 18:01 |
| nathany | mralex, would that be part of the popup or do we still have separate buttons for "donate now" and "donate monthly" | 18:01 |
| nathany | ? | 18:01 |
| mralex | well, do we want the monthly option in the popup, or in a seperate button as we have now, with options in the popup? | 18:01 |
| nkinkade | Our one-click solution is turning into a 5 click solution. | 18:02 |
| nathany | mralex: i suppose i prefer it the way it is now | 18:02 |
| nathany | seems clearer | 18:02 |
| mralex | yeah | 18:02 |
| mralex | don't want to hide the option from people | 18:02 |
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| nathany | JED3: do you have any desire to go to the GSoC mentor summit? | 18:25 |
| JED3 | does it require me to travel more than a 2 block radius? | 18:26 |
| nathany | JED3: it's down in mountain view, and it's on a weekend | 18:27 |
| nathany | so... yeah | 18:27 |
| JED3 | ohh okay, then no I think i will have to decline | 18:27 |
| JED3 | yeah | 18:27 |
| nathany | JED3: no problem | 18:27 |
| akozak | nkinkade: I'm about ready to move the pages. All clear? | 18:40 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Did you mysqldump? | 18:40 |
| nkinkade | $ mysqldump -u ccwiki -p --databases cc_wiki > cc_wiki.sql.2009-09-18 | 18:42 |
| nkinkade | The password is in LocalSettings.php | 18:42 |
| akozak | nkinkade: ok will do :) | 18:45 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: The CiviCRM devs have fixed the problem and it's implemented on our site ... the problem with Civi jQuery stuff showing up on non-Civi pages. | 18:54 |
| mralex | nkinkade: awesome. thanks! | 18:54 |
| mralex | nkinkade: can this fix be implemented on zupport too? ;) | 18:55 |
| nkinkade | I'm sure. | 18:55 |
| nkinkade | just do a git diff on civicrm.module on the live site to see what Kurund did. | 18:55 |
| nkinkade | (he's a Civi dev) | 18:55 |
| mralex | hooray! | 18:59 |
| mralex | now the popup doesn't look completely busted. only a little busted. | 18:59 |
| nkinkade | mralex: How do you want to handle the recurring stuff? | 19:04 |
| nkinkade | With a checkbox? | 19:04 |
| mralex | nkinkade: making the "Give Monthly" buttons pass split=1 to oneclickdonate.php; possibly including a line in the popup saying donations will be split. | 19:05 |
| nkinkade | mralex: How about indefinite recurring contributions like we currently have? | 19:06 |
| nkinkade | How about something like: | 19:06 |
| nkinkade | recur=1 means split value over 12 months. | 19:07 |
| nkinkade | recur=2 means indefinite? | 19:07 |
| nkinkade | If you can add those things to the HTML I'll take care of making sure that one-click stuff handles it properly. | 19:07 |
| mralex | hmm, ok | 19:07 |
| nkinkade | Does that not seem right to you, mralex? | 19:08 |
| mralex | yes. looking at how it's handled right now, it seems right | 19:08 |
| nkinkade | It's starting to get to be a lot of options needed. | 19:08 |
| mralex | well lets see how it looks after i add that. | 19:09 |
| mralex | it's still less scary than the civi page | 19:09 |
| nkinkade | Really this script should be called TwoClickAtMinimumDonation.php | 19:09 |
| mralex | nkinkade: just to make sure, oneclickdonate.php ignores querystring vars it doesn't understand, correct? | 19:10 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Yeah, it only picks out things it's expecting. | 19:10 |
| nkinkade | Everything else is ignored. | 19:10 |
| mralex | ok | 19:10 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: Does the recur=1 or recur=2 method seem reasonable to you? | 19:11 |
| mralex | yep | 19:11 |
| paroneayea | nathany: I'm looking at the currecnt implementation of cc/licenserdf/tools/jurisdiction.py and your docs, and both of them specify --lang=, and the options accept that, but it is not used :) | 19:11 |
| paroneayea | I can add it though | 19:11 |
| nathany | paroneayea: oh, they don't add it? | 19:12 |
| nathany | (to the RDF?) | 19:12 |
| paroneayea | currently it just adds everything from the i18n/ directory | 19:12 |
| paroneayea | everything it can find in there that matches | 19:12 |
| paroneayea | at least, that's my understanding of this code | 19:13 |
| paroneayea | and it appears to be what is happening | 19:13 |
| nathany | paroneayea: yeah, that appears correct | 19:14 |
| nathany | yes, it should add the dc:language assertions | 19:14 |
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| paroneayea | okay | 19:16 |
| paroneayea | so, do we want to either: | 19:17 |
| paroneayea | - restrinct to those that are provided | 19:17 |
| paroneayea | or | 19:17 |
| paroneayea | - add them (without translating them since we won't have a translation, I think?) with their english title? | 19:17 |
| paroneayea | wait, that might not make sense | 19:17 |
| paroneayea | uhhh | 19:17 |
| paroneayea | okay, so the former would be easy to do | 19:18 |
| paroneayea | I'm not certain how we would go about the latter, since presumably we wouldn't have a translation for them, and the way that it finds a translation is by walking through the .po files | 19:19 |
| paroneayea | is that correct? I may be confusing myself, but I think that's correct. | 19:19 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Don't forget to include some logic about the amount given and the premium as it relates to recurring contributions. | 19:20 |
| nkinkade | If min is $50 for gift and they give $5/mo for 12 months then I think Mel wants them to get a gift. | 19:21 |
| mralex | nkinkade: right. | 19:21 |
| mralex | nkinkade: eternal donations are still based on the 12 month rate, yes? | 19:21 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Yeah. | 19:21 |
| nkinkade | It's misusing the form a bit, but I think it wokss. | 19:22 |
| nkinkade | *works | 19:22 |
| nkinkade | Someone clicks to give $100, and then we suggest $8.33/mo forever. | 19:22 |
| nkinkade | It's not really a $100 donation at that point, but I don't know of a better place to stick it. | 19:23 |
| mralex | do we want to allow the condition of "donate $100 now" + "recur this donation every month" | 19:24 |
| mralex | ie $100/mo. like we can right now | 19:24 |
| mralex | or is that just begging for trouble... which i think it probably is | 19:24 |
| nkinkade | mralex: That's basically what we do now, but we divide up the $100 by 12 and give them the option of giving that amount indefinitely. | 19:27 |
| nkinkade | It's a bit awkward, and it could confuse some people. | 19:27 |
| nkinkade | Maybe indefinite recurring contributions should be separated from the "Donate $amount Now" buttons. | 19:28 |
| nkinkade | nathany: ^^ do you have an opinion? | 19:28 |
| nkinkade | Rather, would you share it with us? :-) | 19:28 |
| mralex | he's at lunch | 19:29 |
| mralex | ;) | 19:29 |
| mralex | well, i was considering not showing it on "Donate Now"; but im just going to implement the logic, and see if the options make sense to be there. | 19:29 |
| nkinkade | Cool. The OneClickDonate.php script won't change in either case ... all the same vars get passed to it, it's a matter now of how to present it to the user. | 19:31 |
| mralex | yep | 19:31 |
| paroneayea | argparse is so awesome | 19:32 |
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| paroneayea | nathany: dunno if you got my other comments, btw | 19:37 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: One last thing ... we also need a basic page where users who donate are redirected after they leave PayPal. | 19:53 |
| nkinkade | I imagine that will be an ultra-simple Thank You page. | 19:54 |
| nkinkade | In fact, I'll have Allison create it. | 19:54 |
| akozak | Wow! My email has luckily won US$420,000 in the SOUTH AFRICAN NATIONAL LOTTERY 2009! | 19:57 |
| akozak | my email is so rich now | 19:57 |
| mralex | your email is also a Nigerian prince, too | 20:04 |
| nathany | nkinkade: mralex: IIRC we don't do "perpetual" donations at all right now; they're all bounded @ 12 months. I seem to recall it's a Civi thing, but don't remember exactly why | 20:12 |
| nathany | paroneayea: didn't see you earlier coment | 20:12 |
| nathany | the language isn't translated; it's just included as the dc:language assertion | 20:12 |
| nkinkade | nathany: We do have indefinite recurring donations. | 20:12 |
| nathany | see existing jurisdictions.rdf for details | 20:12 |
| nkinkade | https://support.creativecommons.org/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=15&split=1&donation=150 | 20:13 |
| mralex | the indefinite option is a trick? (it's a trap) | 20:13 |
| nkinkade | There, for example. | 20:13 |
| paroneayea | ah, okay.... I see where my confusion was. | 20:13 |
| nkinkade | No, on the current donation form there is a radio options allowing users to give that amount "until they decide to cancel." | 20:13 |
| nkinkade | It's just slightly confusing that it should show up behind a donation button for a certain dollar value. | 20:14 |
| nkinkade | Even though the recurring donation button doesn't explicitly state the term, it's still on the same row as the fixed dollar amount buttons. | 20:15 |
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| nkinkade | And beyond that we have a whole box on the main /donate page with a "Continual" option for recurring payments ... that is a bit less confusing than the former. | 20:16 |
| akozak | nkinkade: thanks for your help with the cc wiki, I think my work there is complete :) | 20:16 |
| nkinkade | Good, and now blowups. | 20:16 |
| akozak | and now I have a 180mb database backup sitting in my home dir | 20:16 |
| akozak | No blowups.... | 20:17 |
| akozak | at least that I can tell | 20:17 |
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| akozak | nkinkade: Could you start a data/repair upgrade on http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Special:SMWAdmin | 20:25 |
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| nkinkade | akozak: "repair and upgrade" or "installation and upgrade" ??? | 20:26 |
| akozak | repair | 20:26 |
| akozak | nkinkade: ^^ | 20:26 |
| nkinkade | I ran it. | 20:26 |
| nkinkade | It said this "A new update process for refreshing the semantic data was started. All stored data will be rebuilt or repaired where needed. You can follow the progress of the update on this special page." | 20:27 |
| akozak | then I'll login and speed them up with runJobs.php | 20:27 |
| akozak | thanks! | 20:27 |
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| akozak | wow there are a lot of pages on the wiki | 20:35 |
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| jibot | JoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons | 20:39 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 21:28 |
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| mralex | hmm | 22:29 |
| mralex | i guess i should fix those rounding errors... | 22:29 |
| mralex | who wants a $41.666666666666666666666666666666667 donation... | 22:29 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: I round to two decimal places in the script, so even if you passed a long floating value it would still get rounded. | 22:33 |
| mralex | nkinkade: i send the php script the original donate amount and the recur value. i assume that's all you need. :) | 22:34 |
| mralex | i have it up on zupport, in process of tweaking, if you want to see | 22:34 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: Whichever you think is best. | 22:36 |
| nkinkade | I can divide the total amount and round if you want, or you can do it on the client side. | 22:36 |
| nkinkade | The only reason I can think of to do it on the client side is the case of indefinite recurring payments, in which case $amount has no meaning. | 22:37 |
| mralex | well i have it so the popup displays what the monthly # is, it's just not rounding when i display it | 22:37 |
| nkinkade | So if we have to break the rule even once then I think it probably makes sense to do it all on the client side for consistency. | 22:37 |
| mralex | so i can easily send the monthly val to the php if it makes your life easy | 22:38 |
| nkinkade | That is, your script should fill $amount with the one-time amount or the monthly amount. | 22:38 |
| mralex | OK | 22:39 |
| nkinkade | It's just as easy to do that calculation in PHP, but as I mention above recur=2 makes $amount somewhat meaningless. | 22:39 |
| nkinkade | mralex: But there is some problem with ContributionProcessor.php and fetching recurring contributions. I have posted to the CiviCRM forum to see what's up. If it doesn't currently support that, then we'll have to get that straight first. | 22:41 |
| nkinkade | I imagine I won't see a reply till Monday. | 22:41 |
| nkinkade | I'm about to take off to my cousin's house a bit north of here for the weekend. We can pick this back up on Monday. | 22:41 |
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