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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 00:08 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 01:07 |
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| jibot | jonsson is Karl Jonsson, a Swedish law student & Karl Jonsson, a Swedish law student. He blogs @ http://www.cyberlaw.se/kalle & Karl Jonsson, a Swedish law student. He sometimes updates his web page @ www.cyberlaw.se & A Swedish lawyer who works for CC Sweden and has a blog -@ http://www.cyberlaw.se/kalle & a Swedish lawyer working for CC Sweden and blogging @- http://www.cyberlaw.se/kalle & a Swedish lawyer working for CC Sweden and blogging @@ http://www.cyberla | 03:02 |
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| jibot | mlinksva is from Creative Commons and Mike Linksvayer | 14:06 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 14:44 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 14:59 |
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| JED3 | nathany: ping | 16:20 |
| nathany | JED3: pong | 16:21 |
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| JED3 | I just asked South to "automatically" create a migration to some changes to a model, it actually didn't pick up my change at all, but instead did something troublesome | 16:21 |
| nathany | troublesome? | 16:21 |
| paroneayea | "troublesome" is never a good word when it comes to schema evolution | 16:23 |
| JED3 | tehe, the unexpected behavior of South actually pinpointed a bug in our code | 16:25 |
| nathany | :) | 16:30 |
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| jibot | akozak is Alex Kozak, Program Assistant at ccLearn and SFC@Berkeley co-founder and a norse god | 16:34 |
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| user01 | Hi everyone -- is it necessary to attribute via RDF or is human readable attribution enough? | 17:19 |
| paroneayea | nathany: I think the last day and a half has had contained far too much me staring at my screen in confusion to be considered a "good use of time"... I'm going to compose an email detailing what I do and don't get as of this moment | 17:19 |
| nathany | paroneayea: great | 17:20 |
| nathany | user01: for publishing your work or re-using others' work? | 17:20 |
| user01 | nathany: for the latter. :-) | 17:20 |
| nathany | it's not required, but it's darn cool :) | 17:20 |
| user01 | okay... :-) thx | 17:21 |
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| JED3 | nathany: ever used MercurialRecipe? | 17:38 |
| JED3 | ... South appears to support ALTER COLUMN for sqlite3 in a "stableish" branch | 17:39 |
| JED3 | actually its functional in the head of South, which is just a few commits ahead of the version we are using, 0.6.1 | 17:42 |
| nathany | JED3: I haven't used MercurialRecipe; I assume it just does a checkout of something? | 17:49 |
| JED3 | yes, looks like it'll clone and pull from an hg repo | 17:49 |
| nathany | nkinkade: I'm going to svn up license.rdf, cc.engine and rebuild the en_SG, en_HK deeds | 17:54 |
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| greg-g | I'm going to use that as an answer in the future "it's not required, but it's darn cool" | 18:14 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Sorry. I stepped out to buy lunch. | 18:23 |
| nathany | nkinkade: np | 18:24 |
| nathany | just an FYI | 18:24 |
| nkinkade | I started a rebuild of the AU Deeds before I left. | 18:24 |
| nathany | nkinkade: oh, cool | 18:24 |
| nathany | i haven't actually started yet :) | 18:24 |
| nathany | thanks | 18:24 |
| nkinkade | nathany: It looks like the right Deeds were created, I'll commit, svn up on production, then notify Jessica. | 18:24 |
| nathany | thanks | 18:25 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: is adding email=yes to a [repo] stanza in gitosis.conf enough to make our config send commit messages? | 18:36 |
| paulproteus | nathany, I... think so. | 18:36 |
| nathany | paulproteus: OK, we'll see :) | 18:37 |
| paulproteus | I think it might need one spurious push to kick it into gear. | 18:37 |
| nathany | spurious push to.... the target repo? gitosis? | 18:37 |
| paulproteus | gitosis. | 18:37 |
| nathany | it didn't seem to add anything to commoner.git/config, but i wasn't sure it was supposed to | 18:37 |
| paulproteus | I think it's not. | 18:37 |
| paulproteus | I think it adds a hook to .git/hooks/post-update | 18:38 |
| paulproteus | Or it should. If not, you should add it yourself, like the one that works. | 18:38 |
| * paulproteus wrinkles the corner of his mouth | 18:38 | |
| nathany | :) | 18:38 |
| nathany | got it | 18:38 |
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| JED3 | paulproteus: may be of interest to you http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bal-sword0915,0,4027961.story | 19:11 |
| paulproteus | JED3, yeah - two threads about it on my old computer club mailing list. | 19:14 |
| paulproteus | Thread #2: (I lived with this guy) http://lists.acm.jhu.edu/pipermail/acm/2009-September/008577.html | 19:14 |
| paulproteus | Thread #1: http://lists.acm.jhu.edu/pipermail/acm/2009-September/008549.html | 19:14 |
| paulproteus | (When he refers to JHAC, it's the Anime Club.) | 19:14 |
| greg-g | Anyone know if we have actually received letters from people requesting the full license intead of visiting the license URL? (the text that says "visit this url or send a letter to CC at 171 Second St...") | 19:15 |
| paulproteus | I imagine Mike knows. | 19:15 |
| * greg-g is just curious | 19:15 | |
| greg-g | I've already bugged him once today via email :) | 19:15 |
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| money | need credit cards | 19:51 |
| money | plz | 19:51 |
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| greg-g | with a registered nickname, at that | 19:54 |
| paulproteus | Hi money | 19:57 |
| paulproteus | Nice to see some more carders on the channel | 19:57 |
| paulproteus | b4 i give you cardz tell me why i should trust u | 19:57 |
| paulproteus | no PMs btw | 19:57 |
| paulproteus | some moron got his database of like 140 million cards leaked to the feds | 19:58 |
| paulproteus | now those cards are useless ): | 19:58 |
| paulproteus | fine, no cardz 4 u | 20:01 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: thanks; i'm tired of toying with them, i'm planning to start kicking when i see them | 20:04 |
| paulproteus | When the revolution comes, boring carders will be the first against the wall. | 20:05 |
| nathany | lol | 20:06 |
| greg-g | word | 20:11 |
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| pyrak | so guys | 20:14 |
| pyrak | the mighty morphin power rangers movie is on hulu | 20:14 |
| pyrak | i just thought you all should know | 20:14 |
| pyrak | http://www.hulu.com/watch/79737/mighty-morphin-power-rangers?c=Action-and-Adventure | 20:14 |
| pyrak | i'm about halfway through | 20:15 |
| mralex | hulu is awesome. | 20:23 |
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| greg-g | I know what I'm doing tonight | 20:28 |
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| akozak | haha greg-g | 20:59 |
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| akozak | stuff on a7 is feeling sluggish | 21:04 |
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| jgay | is there any good discussion pages about the issue of combining works with different licenses. Specifically discussions about combining images with text, where the image has one license and the text another, and the copyright holders are different? | 21:19 |
| greg-g | and there is a -SA requirement, I assume? But to answre you question with not another question, not that I know of off hand. | 21:22 |
| akozak | jgay: I know of some discussion in some of ccLearn's resources. | 21:24 |
| jgay | akozak: that'd be cool | 21:24 |
| akozak | one sec | 21:24 |
| jgay | akozak: thanks | 21:24 |
| akozak | jgay: see figure 6 in http://learn.creativecommons.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/What-status-for-open-Data-Supplement-v1.pdf | 21:25 |
| jgay | akozak: thanks | 21:25 |
| * jgay looks | 21:26 | |
| akozak | jgay: I'll keep an eye out for more, I'm betting there are some | 21:26 |
| akozak | it's a complicated topic | 21:27 |
| paulproteus | But I think the most important thing is to separate out "mere aggregation" as the FSF puts it vs. derivative creation. | 21:27 |
| paulproteus | iirc the CC FAQ does that in its own way, and of course the GPL FAQ uses the term "mere aggregation" | 21:27 |
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| akozak | paulproteus: that is definitely something to keep in mind, although it sounded like jgay was asking about simply combining cc licensed text and cc licensed images | 21:28 |
| jgay | or gfdl images, some kinds of public domain, etc. | 21:29 |
| akozak | jgay: ah, sorry I thought you were asking about only cc licensed materials | 21:29 |
| akozak | jgay: It can get complicated very quickly with different licenses, which is a big argument against public license proliferation. | 21:31 |
| akozak | or license proliferation in general | 21:31 |
| jgay | so, here is the basic situation. Take a textbook. Let all of the text be CC BY SA with a single copyright holder. But, it's full of images from various places and that have various licenses (none of them are NC or ND, but not all are necessarily CC) | 21:31 |
| jgay | hypothetically speaking | 21:32 |
| akozak | ok | 21:32 |
| akozak | Are you asking if that's possible? | 21:33 |
| jgay | no, i'm looking for writing and discussions on the issue | 21:34 |
| akozak | ah | 21:34 |
| jgay | that are out there | 21:34 |
| akozak | http://learn.creativecommons.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/license-mapping-report-15_dec_-2008-color-v2.pdf | 21:34 |
| akozak | thats the original report to that data supplement I pasted before | 21:34 |
| akozak | we (cclearn) looked at the licensing landscape in education | 21:35 |
| akozak | and if I remember correctly, talked a bit about the problems associated with license proliferation | 21:35 |
| akozak | jgay: hope that helps. we can also talk more about it if you want | 21:36 |
| akozak | and sorry for the PDFs :/ | 21:37 |
| jgay | akozak: I dont' really want to talk too much. I just want to collect links and papers, etc :-) | 21:37 |
| jgay | akozak: it works. Thanks. | 21:37 |
| akozak | jgay: :) | 21:37 |
| akozak | jgay: also check out http://learn.creativecommons.org/resources/ | 21:37 |
| akozak | might be something in there | 21:37 |
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| nkinkade | mlinksva: Does this comment form look reasonable to you, including the note I added: | 22:16 |
| nkinkade | http://staging.creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/10588 | 22:16 |
| mralex | nkinkade: it's slightly wider than the others | 22:19 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: Seems that no matter what width I choose for size="" that it's either too small or too big. If we want it exact it may require a pixel value via CSS. | 22:22 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Are you okay with me just pushing it as is and then if you think it needs a tweak, then you can do that after the fact?? | 22:22 |
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| mlinksva | nkinkade: it looks fne to me | 22:28 |
| mlinksva | though staging is super slow so i'm not sure if it is working | 22:28 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: Good. Because I already deployed it. ;-) | 22:28 |
| mlinksva | :) | 22:28 |
| nkinkade | Not sure why a7 is slow. akozak is using a good deal of net bandwidth between a6 and a7 with git ... and the msnbot is hitting a7 too. | 22:30 |
| akozak | nkinkade: I only made a few commits... | 22:31 |
| akozak | wait between a6 and a7? | 22:31 |
| nkinkade | Not sure. iftop show a6 pushing around 5 to 6 Mb to a7. | 22:31 |
| akozak | ... weird | 22:32 |
| nkinkade | Not a big deal, but between that and msnbot, that could cause some minor slow downs. | 22:32 |
| akozak | I don't think I've done anything on a6 today. | 22:32 |
| nkinkade | a7 $ ps U akozak | 22:33 |
| nkinkade | Don't worry about it. | 22:33 |
| nkinkade | It's all normal activity. | 22:33 |
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| akozak | this is cool: http://sf.streetsblog.org/2009/09/09/uc-planners-envision-bay-line-park-on-the-old-bay-bridge-span/ | 23:53 |
| akozak | pretty unrealistic though | 23:53 |
| mralex | yeah, considering the whole reason the bridge is getting replaced... | 23:59 |
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