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| jibot | paulproteus is Asheesh Laroia & TWiki: asheesh.org & blogs.jhu.edu! & aka Johnny Pancakes & wiki.jhu.edu! & quotes blog: blogs.jhu.edu/~gooftroop & kindablog: blogs.jhu.edu/~paulproteus & back from uganda - blog at http://uganda.laroia.net/ & hash-joiito@asheesh.org & DanMark approved for humor & graduated from jhu.edu in '07 & on Creative Commons tech staff & seeing robots where there are none & a crayon | 13:46 |
| greg-g | re: NonCommercial Study: interesting that, generally, creators who make money from their work consider private+personal use of their work to be more of a "commercial" use. | 13:51 |
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| greg-g | paroneayea: pretty good, but it is also Monday morning after a long weekend :) | 14:58 |
| greg-g | "long" as in still only 2 days, but not much down time | 14:59 |
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| jibot | mecredis is Fred Benenson. He works as Creative Commons' Culture Program Associate in NYC and joined the board of SFC after starting Free Culture @ NYU & Fred Benenson. He founded Free Culture @ NYU and graduated in May of 2005. He currently lives in New York City and works as a freelance web developer and a FreeCulture activist. He may or may not be a board member of FreeCulture.org but has worked for Creative Commons and volunteered for the EFF. & Fred Benenson. | 15:13 |
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| nathany | JED3: is there any reason I shouldn't blow away the staging.creativecommons.net database? I'd like to do some openid testing and need to bring it up to date; was going to just load the current production data there | 15:24 |
| JED3 | nope, bombs away | 15:24 |
| nathany | thanks, i'll do it after i finish digging through my weekend email | 15:24 |
| JED3 | cool, i'm heading now, be in the office in just a few | 15:25 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: ping | 15:45 |
| paulproteus | nathany, pong | 15:45 |
| nathany | quick git question for you | 15:45 |
| nathany | have you ever used the config param core.sharedRepository? | 15:45 |
| paulproteus | I have never. As I understand it, it asks git to use a sane umask for that situation. | 15:45 |
| nathany | right | 15:45 |
| paulproteus | I prefer to multiplex over SSH via one git user ID than to fiddle with that. | 15:46 |
| nathany | this seems like a slightly different situation | 15:46 |
| nathany | not for the "central" place (where we multiplex) but for a check for, say, staging.cc.net where JED3 and I may both want to twiddle things | 15:46 |
| nathany | maybe I'm misunderstanding the reach of it? | 15:47 |
| paulproteus | Well, it's only for the .git, as I understand it, not the working tree. | 15:47 |
| nathany | oh, does it just control the .git/ umask | 15:47 |
| nathany | right | 15:47 |
| nathany | got it | 15:47 |
| nathany | sigh | 15:47 |
| paulproteus | That's my understanding. | 15:47 |
| paulproteus | P.S. Permissions in UNIX are a pain. | 15:47 |
| nathany | duh | 15:47 |
| nathany | :) | 15:47 |
| nathany | security through pain | 15:47 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Now, if you use umask... | 15:47 |
| nathany | oh, before you clone it? | 15:48 |
| paulproteus | Yeah | 15:48 |
| paulproteus | Plus you run "newgrp" to change your default group. | 15:48 |
| paulproteus | Then you'd be in business as far as the working tree. | 15:48 |
| paulproteus | You have to run newgrp so that new files get created with GID the_group_you_want rather than GID nathany. | 15:48 |
| paulproteus | (but in a pinch, you can always "sudo chgrp ccnetwork -R .") | 15:49 |
| nathany | right | 15:49 |
| paulproteus | I hope I'm making sense; I'm elliding a lot here. | 15:49 |
| nathany | yeah, i just misunderstood core.sharedRepository | 15:49 |
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| paulproteus | That's my understanding; I would check the man page before believing me for sure. | 15:49 |
| nathany | btw, hgsubversion now handles svn:externals (although not new-style svn 1.5 defs) whihc is cool | 15:49 |
| nathany | paulproteus: have you seen the git manpages? this has been much more informative | 15:50 |
| * paulproteus chuckles | 15:50 | |
| paulproteus | Well, maybe not man pages, but I'd get some sort of second opinion from somewhere. | 15:50 |
| paulproteus | I try to tell people I'm not an authoritative source but they rarely listen. |: | 15:50 |
| nathany | well this fits my observed behavior now that I think about it | 15:50 |
| paulproteus | "Sadly" usually that doesn't hurt them. | 15:50 |
| nathany | :) | 15:50 |
| paroneayea | nathany: ping | 15:51 |
| nathany | paroneayea: pong | 15:51 |
| paroneayea | still busy with mail? | 15:52 |
| nathany | nope, what's up? | 15:52 |
| paroneayea | Somehow over the last few days I noticed that building out i18n.git stopped working because Babel>0.99 (ie, Babel 1.X) no longer exists on pypi | 15:52 |
| nathany | paroneayea: hrm... did it previously pull from pypi? for some reason I have this memory that paulproteus crafted a custom egg for that with some bug fixes rolled in | 15:53 |
| paroneayea | :o | 15:54 |
| paroneayea | I don't remember how I got it previously :) | 15:54 |
| paulproteus | I think that's correct, although I think that they eventually accepted my patches. | 15:54 |
| nathany | paroneayea: so maybe there was a find_links? | 15:54 |
| paroneayea | oh, so there is: | 15:54 |
| nathany | find-links = http://labs.creativecommons.org/~paulproteus/eggs/ | 15:54 |
| paroneayea | http://labs.creativecommons.org/~paulproteus/eggs/ | 15:54 |
| paroneayea | don't know why it isn't finding it in there then! | 15:54 |
| paroneayea | running ./bin/buildout, even with that line in there, it complains | 15:55 |
| paroneayea | ooh | 15:55 |
| paroneayea | nm, I know why | 15:55 |
| nathany | prefer-final? | 15:55 |
| paroneayea | python2.6 ;) | 15:55 |
| nathany | great :) | 15:55 |
| nathany | oh | 15:55 |
| nathany | :) | 15:55 |
| nathany | yeah, to bad we don't have a tarball instead | 15:56 |
| nathany | oh well | 15:56 |
| paulproteus | You can probably safely rename my py2.5 egg if you remove the .pyc files... (or check that my Babel bugs were really closed with patch merged, then just use upstream trunk) | 15:57 |
| paulproteus | (rename my py2.5 egg to py2.6) | 15:57 |
| paroneayea | that would explain why it was working on my debian testing laptop and not my ubuntu desktop :) | 15:57 |
| nathany | paulproteus: eggs don't include .py files | 15:57 |
| paulproteus | nathany, whoa | 15:58 |
| nathany | they're binary | 15:58 |
| paulproteus | decompyle (-; | 15:58 |
| paulproteus | Or you can see my second option about trunk. | 15:58 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 15:58 |
| paulproteus | Anyway, poof. | 15:58 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 16:06 |
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| paroneayea | nathany: http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Jurisdiction_Management | 16:26 |
| paroneayea | so in this document | 16:26 |
| paroneayea | under "adding a jurisdiction" | 16:26 |
| nathany | paroneayea: yes | 16:26 |
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| jibot | akozak is Alex Kozak, Program Assistant at ccLearn and SFC@Berkeley co-founder and a norse god | 16:26 |
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| paroneayea | updating translations seems to already work, but the command for adding a jurisdiction doesn't yet, right? | 16:27 |
| nathany | paroneayea: right | 16:27 |
| nathany | right now you'd add the appropriate stanza to licenses.xml | 16:27 |
| nathany | but that's going away | 16:27 |
| paroneayea | ah okay | 16:27 |
| paroneayea | also, I've been kind of having trouble with figuring out how things currently work vs how they should work | 16:27 |
| paroneayea | I feel like I should go through the "current process" to understand how it works already so I know how it *should** work | 16:28 |
| paroneayea | I'm not sure if that's correct | 16:28 |
| paroneayea | but if that's true, there are a bunch of steps I don't want to run because it would interfere with real live processes | 16:28 |
| paroneayea | is there some kind of magical playground version of this? | 16:28 |
| paroneayea | where I can ttest things like deploying things, test the pootle stuff, without screwing up real actual work? | 16:28 |
| nathany | paroneayea: unfortunately there's not much of a sandbox/playground | 16:29 |
| nathany | :( | 16:29 |
| nathany | i suppose you could use git instead of svn and not push things back to the server but that might not work | 16:29 |
| nathany | nkinkade can probably answer questions you might have about how it works now | 16:29 |
| nathany | since he's the one that usually does that | 16:29 |
| paroneayea | oki | 16:30 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: What is it exactly that you want to test¿ | 16:30 |
| nkinkade | ? | 16:30 |
| nkinkade | I'll re-back a bit to see. | 16:30 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: heh, well... I'm going through that whole "revamp the jurisdiction management" process now | 16:30 |
| paroneayea | - but I don't even know how it works presently | 16:30 |
| paroneayea | - I'm not sure how to test it without screwing things up | 16:31 |
| paroneayea | I wanted to go through the tutorial on http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Deploying_Jurisdictions this weekend, but I didn't want to mess everything up | 16:32 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Things can *mostly* be done without affecting the live site, with the exception of some i18n stuff, I believe. | 16:32 |
| nkinkade | The problem is that the live site works partially off of some stuff /trunk stuff ... | 16:33 |
| nkinkade | Or maybe it's that the live site uses some of the licenses_xsl stuff?? | 16:33 |
| nkinkade | nathany: ^^ | 16:33 |
| nkinkade | I forget the exact distinction between /trunk and /branches/grandually_increasing_sanity_branch of license_xsl | 16:34 |
| nathany | nkinkade: paroneayea: the live site (unfortunately) uses them both | 16:34 |
| nathany | i'm not proud of that | 16:34 |
| nathany | (and that's why we're working on this) | 16:34 |
| nkinkade | So paroneayea, I think that the main issue with running things in a totally testing environment. | 16:34 |
| nkinkade | The API will pick up some of the things, which might cause the jurisdiction to show up on staging.CC.org and also the CC.org. | 16:35 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: But outside of license_xsl (??) I think most stuff is segregated between production and staging. | 16:35 |
| nkinkade | Is there a particular part that you wanted to test? | 16:35 |
| paroneayea | heh well | 16:35 |
| paroneayea | hum | 16:35 |
| nkinkade | I know the feeling. | 16:36 |
| paroneayea | you don't happen to have a jurisdiction you need deploying that you want to walk me through, do you? ;) | 16:36 |
| nkinkade | Not at the moment. | 16:36 |
| paroneayea | for some reason when trying to wrap my head around it this weekend I felt totally overwhelmed. I think mostly because I couldn't even ask questions like this | 16:36 |
| paroneayea | "can I go through this tutorial without breaking things" (no) | 16:37 |
| paroneayea | now that I have at least confirmed what piece needs working on maybe it won't be so bad | 16:37 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I think the only thing you need to be careful not to commit are changes in license_xsl | 16:37 |
| paulproteus | "I have no solutions or better alternatives to offer. But a week ago I didn’t even understand enough to ask annoying questions." <http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/07/06/nfc> | 16:37 |
| paroneayea | paulproteus: that's an amazing line | 16:38 |
| paroneayea | and very true | 16:38 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: My suggestion would be to follow all the steps of that teamspace page, but when it comes to license_xsl, don't commit your changes ... keep them local (principally licenses.xml) and just manually copy them to staging. | 16:39 |
| paroneayea | I mean, what about the pootle stuff and everything, committing things to subversion? | 16:39 |
| paroneayea | should I just commit them and then revert them after I'm done? | 16:39 |
| paroneayea | oh | 16:39 |
| paroneayea | you answered that. | 16:39 |
| paroneayea | okay | 16:40 |
| paroneayea | yeah I suppose I can just keep making changes and not commit them | 16:41 |
| paroneayea | pass diffs around | 16:41 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Be careful with the i18n stuff too. | 16:41 |
| nkinkade | nkinkade@a5:/var/www/creativecommons.org/cc.engine/cc/engine/i18n/po$ svn info | 16:41 |
| nkinkade | RL: http://code.creativecommons.org/svnroot/i18n/trunk/i18n | 16:42 |
| paroneayea | hm :\ | 16:42 |
| nkinkade | cc.engine uses i18n/trunk, and so does staging. :-( | 16:42 |
| paroneayea | I will do my best to not accidentally deploy the new jurisdiction of Footopia | 16:42 |
| nkinkade | It's a less than ideal setup currently, to say the least. | 16:43 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I *think* that i18n and license_xsl are the only two real places where you have to watch your steps. | 16:43 |
| paroneayea | oki | 16:46 |
| paroneayea | thx nkinkade | 16:46 |
| paroneayea | I will do my best, be vigilant, for the good of my country &etc | 16:46 |
| paroneayea | and will bother you with annoying questions once I get far enough :)) | 16:46 |
| paulproteus | paroneayea, And to obey the scout law. | 16:55 |
| akozak | just got an email that the berkeley art museum hiring a programmer, anyone know anyone on the bay looking for a coding gig? | 16:58 |
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| JED3 | nathany: quick Django question... | 17:10 |
| nathany | sure | 17:11 |
| nathany | JED3: sure | 17:12 |
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| JED3 | if you raise an Http404 exception, and have created a 404 template for Django to use in the handling of the exception, if you were to pass a message to the exception object (e.g. raise Exception("foobar") ) is this passed in a context to the 404 template? | 17:12 |
| KEBA1 | hi there | 17:13 |
| JED3 | I ask because https://creativecommons.net/r/lookup/ returns a generic not found message | 17:13 |
| nathany | JED3: I'm not sure | 17:13 |
| JED3 | but in the view function it reads "raise Http404(_(u"No work URI specified."))" | 17:13 |
| nathany | i'd have to look @ the docs for the request/response | 17:13 |
| nathany | hi KEBA1 | 17:13 |
| JED3 | nathany: I've been looking, can't find anything | 17:14 |
| JED3 | the way django handles the Http404 exception is a bit magical | 17:14 |
| nathany | JED3: looks like it just gets the request path | 17:15 |
| nathany | http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/http/views/#the-404-page-not-found-view | 17:15 |
| KEBA1 | im going to make a free (CC-BY-SA) audio podcast about free music. in this podcast i talk about free music and want to play some songs. these songs are mostly CC licensed... some of theme have the SA attribute... is it ok, if i use these songs in my podcast? i mean, the "whole podcast" has anohter license... | 17:15 |
| nathany | JED3: I suppose you would return an HttpResponseNotFound (http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/request-response/#httpresponse-subclasses) with a custom template if you need more specialized handling | 17:16 |
| JED3 | yeah, but all we want is different string for the 404 message | 17:16 |
| nathany | KEBA1: if your podcast is a derivative work, then SA requires that it uses the same or compatible license | 17:16 |
| nathany | JED3: right; i seem to recall that the Http404 handler is actually done in middleware | 17:17 |
| nathany | maybe that's the place to look | 17:17 |
| JED3 | okay | 17:17 |
| KEBA1 | nathany: yep, i know... but the question is wheter playing a song among others and talking about them is a derivative work... | 17:17 |
| JED3 | thx | 17:17 |
| RainRat | KEBA1: I suppose if you play the songs sequentally, it's a collective work as defined in the license | 17:17 |
| KEBA1 | RainRat: what do you mean with sequentally? | 17:17 |
| nathany | RainRat: i know the license distinguishes between collections/derivatives, but does it make a statement about playing music specifically? | 17:18 |
| RainRat | doesn't mention music specifically, but check if the definition of "collective work" would apply to your case | 17:19 |
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| RainRat | sequentially, meaning each song is played one after the other, with no mixing between them, in order to satisfy the definition of "collective work" | 17:20 |
| KEBA1 | ah ok... | 17:22 |
| greg-g | KEBA1: will you be playing the entire song that you are talking about? If you're only playing a segment of it then your use is probably a fair use which means the license terms don't apply. | 17:22 |
| greg-g | (IANAL and all that) | 17:22 |
| KEBA1 | greg-g: no, id like to play the entire song most times, i think. | 17:23 |
| greg-g | ok, just asking | 17:23 |
| KEBA1 | RainRat: no, there wont be any mixes. but am i allowed to talk during the music? | 17:23 |
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| RainRat | KEBA1: I'm not sure, i think if you did, any talking would be bound by the ShareAlike attribute of the music | 17:25 |
| KEBA1 | RainRat: hm, ok... | 17:25 |
| KEBA1 | well, it is the same about ND? "collective work" is ok while talking is illegal | 17:26 |
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| greg-g | KEBA1: I think if you keep the talking over the song to a minimum ("here is the part I talked about before, see how it crescendos nicely") you should be ok. As your intention is mostly showcasing (ie: a collection) and not a new song based on another. And I bet the original song's author would agree. | 17:42 |
| greg-g | if, however, you were using the song as an intro/outro/fill music then the -SA would come into play. | 17:45 |
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| mralex | mecredis: your board dashboard slides still say TK... please fix :) | 18:25 |
| mecredis | ah thanks for the ping | 18:25 |
| mecredis | will do now | 18:25 |
| mecredis | mralex: fixed | 18:32 |
| mralex | mecredis: thanks! | 18:32 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 19:17 |
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| akozak | mralex: does the cc blog have rss feeds for categories (e.g. an rss feed for the cclearn category)? | 19:50 |
| mralex | yes | 19:50 |
| akozak | ok cool | 19:50 |
| mralex | that's how the blog on the cclearn front page works | 19:50 |
| akozak | ok so i could find the url in that code then | 19:51 |
| mralex | it's in a settings page | 19:51 |
| mralex | or just cc.org/category/feed | 19:51 |
| mralex | \ | 19:51 |
| mralex | category being waht you want | 19:51 |
| akozak | ohhh ok that's easy | 19:52 |
| akozak | thanks | 19:52 |
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| pyrak | have people been popping in to ask questions? | 20:00 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: By the way, I still have search.CC on my list, but was gone all last week. | 20:00 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, cool. could you take a look at that merge? | 20:01 |
| pyrak | apparently i effed up the svnmerge tracking files or something | 20:02 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, I will. Just haven't had time yet and since search.CC works as is I haven't given it a super high priority, but I will probably get to it this week. | 20:02 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, cool, thanks! | 20:02 |
| nkinkade | No problem ... and thanks for actually making all those changes. :-) | 20:02 |
| pyrak | happy to do it | 20:03 |
| pyrak | mlinksva had mentioned blogging search.cc.o stuff at labs. is that still something we want to do? | 20:04 |
| mlinksva | pyrak: yes | 20:08 |
| mlinksva | unless nathany|lunch thinks otherwise anyhow | 20:08 |
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| nkinkade | pyrak: I'll let you know when I get it up and running so that you can blog it. | 20:18 |
| nathany | yes, we should blog it | 20:19 |
| pyrak | ACK | 20:21 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Do you happen to know how to make someone a Pootle admin? | 20:26 |
| nkinkade | Am I going to have to do it manually in the SQLite DB? | 20:26 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: uh... no idea; maybe paulproteus knows | 20:32 |
| nathany | i forget how that works with mozootle | 20:32 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I figured it out. | 20:32 |
| nathany | great | 20:32 |
| nkinkade | I just did it manually with sqlite3 | 20:32 |
| nkinkade | -1 Pootle | 20:32 |
| nkinkade | nathany: You'll be excited to know that I just launched the new store. | 20:45 |
| nathany | nkinkade: woot | 20:45 |
| mralex | that's quite exciting | 20:45 |
| nkinkade | I made a test purchase with my own paypal account and it all worked nicely. | 20:46 |
| mralex | mecredis: do you have users/works data for ccnetwork for july and august? | 20:49 |
| JED3 | mralex: https://creativecommons.net/h/metrics/ | 20:49 |
| mralex | ooh | 20:49 |
| mralex | JED3: thanks! | 20:49 |
| JED3 | np | 20:49 |
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| nathany | JED3: see your inbox for something with some urgency | 21:06 |
| paroneayea | oh hey nathany | 21:07 |
| paroneayea | separate issue, but! | 21:08 |
| nathany | hi paroneayea | 21:08 |
| paroneayea | I did extract those videos from the iso | 21:08 |
| nathany | awesome! | 21:08 |
| paroneayea | I don't know how to title them, give them descriptions, upload them to archive.org though | 21:08 |
| paroneayea | er, don't know what titles or descriptions to give them | 21:08 |
| paroneayea | also, do they need a splash page? | 21:08 |
| nathany | paroneayea: they probably don't need a splash page, we could just title them in the metadata. | 21:08 |
| paroneayea | like CREATIVE COMMONS \n << LOGO >> \n TALK \n PRESENTER | 21:08 |
| paroneayea | ah okay | 21:08 |
| nathany | hrm, maybe we can just upload to IA as "session 1", "session 2", etc (n files in a single IA item) and then I can look at them and edit the metadata? | 21:09 |
| nathany | have you uploaded to IA before? | 21:09 |
| nathany | (it's sort of a pain for large items... FTP) | 21:09 |
| paroneayea | nathany: never have :) | 21:10 |
| paroneayea | also the files are currently | 21:10 |
| paroneayea | uh | 21:10 |
| paroneayea | hum, where did they go | 21:10 |
| nathany | lol | 21:10 |
| paroneayea | oh | 21:10 |
| paroneayea | *.ogv | 21:10 |
| paroneayea | didn't expect that extension, but shoulda have | 21:11 |
| paroneayea | -rw-r--r-- 1 cwebber cwebber 675M 2009-09-12 18:36 ccts3.iso-01.ogv | 21:11 |
| paroneayea | -rw-r--r-- 1 cwebber cwebber 437M 2009-09-12 20:08 ccts3.iso-02.ogv | 21:11 |
| paroneayea | -rw-r--r-- 1 cwebber cwebber 541M 2009-09-13 00:22 ccts3.iso-03.ogv | 21:11 |
| paroneayea | -rw-r--r-- 1 cwebber cwebber 307M 2009-09-13 11:41 ccts3.iso-04.ogv | 21:11 |
| paroneayea | not tiny files | 21:11 |
| paroneayea | should I try shrinking them further? | 21:11 |
| JED3 | shouldn't this work? `var $ = document.getElementById;` | 21:11 |
| nathany | paroneayea: no, we should upload to IA in as high quality as possible | 21:11 |
| nathany | they'll derive smaller/streaming versions for us | 21:12 |
| paroneayea | they are pretty blurry off of the dvd though :) | 21:12 |
| nathany | really? | 21:12 |
| nathany | suck | 21:12 |
| paroneayea | maybe that's my fault, but I don't think it is | 21:13 |
| nathany | paroneayea: i doubt it's your fault, just annoying | 21:13 |
| nathany | well let's just upload to IA and move on | 21:13 |
| nathany | i can go ahead and create the item @ IA and send you FTP instructions if that works for you | 21:13 |
| paroneayea | works good for me | 21:14 |
| nathany | great | 21:14 |
| nathany | one second | 21:14 |
| paroneayea | so yeah I jusr burned it to a dvd and watched it directly via vlc | 21:30 |
| paroneayea | can confirm that it's blurry to begin with | 21:30 |
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| jibot | greg-g is """developing"""" the """"community"""" for """"creative commons""""" | 22:02 |
| mralex | ""is"" """he""" ""really"" | 22:04 |
| mralex | "wink" "wink" | 22:04 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 22:16 |
| paroneayea | mralex: """yarly""" | 22:17 |
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| pyrak | with so. much. cat5. | 22:26 |
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| mralex | home depot sells cat5? | 22:37 |
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| jibot | greg-g is """developing"""" the """"community"""" for """"creative commons""""" | 22:37 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 23:06 |
| nkinkade | mralex: In Safari, does the following video play with the Quicktime version? | 23:22 |
| nkinkade | http://creativecommons.org/videos/a-shared-culture | 23:22 |
| nkinkade | I decided to take your advice and use <source> to put in multiple versions so that the browser can choose. | 23:23 |
| greg-g | ?forgetme | 23:23 |
| jibot | I've forgotten all about greg-g | 23:23 |
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| mralex | nkinkade: hmm, can't tell whcih one it decided to use. unless there are some discernible differences between the flv and mov | 23:27 |
| nkinkade | mralex: I couldn't tell in Firefox either at first ... I had to select the "Copy Source URL" contextual menu item. | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | ... then inspect the URL. | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | ("Copy Video Location") | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | I put three sources in there: Quicktime, Theora and Flash. | 23:29 |
| mralex | yeah | 23:29 |
| nkinkade | Firefox 3.5 is correctly choosing the Theora one. | 23:29 |
| mralex | i don't think the flv source is necessary, since there's already the flash embed fallback | 23:29 |
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