Friday, 2009-09-11

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paulproteusJED3, pringle00:19
JED3hello00:19
paulproteusI'm in a bit of a bind with Django and I thought I'd bug you first. (-:00:19
JED3sure, whats up00:20
paulproteusI deployed an app without being careful about the site data, and now Django thinks it's hosted at example.com.00:20
paulproteushttp://codespatter.com/2009/01/05/django-settings-site-domain-examplecom/ informs me this info is in the DB, and cannot now be changed via settings.py.00:20
paulproteusIs that right?00:20
paulproteusIf so, should I maybe "just" write a migration that changes that data? (That way, I can write it against my laptop, and when it's time to deploy, I can just run all the migrations that need to be run.)00:21
paulproteusOr should I just bite the bullet and change it in the DB of the live site?00:21
JED3that is correct, are you using contrib.admin?00:21
paulproteusWe're not really using it for anything, though it's enabled.00:21
paulproteusI know I can edit it via the admin interface, but that doesn't help other developers who have stupid data in their own site info on *their* laptops.00:22
paulproteusI *guess* the site info should be different between laptops and the live site.00:22
JED3ahh okay, what about including the site information in an initial_data fixture for your app?00:22
paulproteusSure, I'd be okay with that. But it's already deployed - Django isn't going to look at that now for the live site, right?00:23
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JED3yeah, not without a manage.py reset or something00:24
paulproteusThat sounds scary.00:24
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JED3I would just write a migration then, less elegant but its sure fire, right?00:24
paulproteusYeah, sounds reasonable enough to me. Thanks. (-:00:25
JED3np, 1 more thing, which migration app are you using? ;)00:25
paulproteusI'm pretty unhappy about it, but I'll do it and move on.00:25
paulproteusSure - we're using South (and quite liking it).00:25
JED3ahh cool, i'm actually working in South this very moment00:25
paulproteusHow are you liking it?00:26
JED3I like it a lot actually, sqlite3 support wins it hands down for me00:26
* paulproteus waits for the PM that flames it to a crisp00:26
pyrakpaulproteus, weird bug report that might not be your fault: signing into openhatch with my wordpress account doesn't work00:26
paulproteuspyrak, Huh, with OpenID? Interesting. File a bug - https://openhatch.org/bugs and assign it to me!00:27
paulproteus(or email all@ )00:27
pyrakpaulproteus, ok, filing a bug00:28
JED3paulproteus: what is vtiger CRM?00:31
* paulproteus runs and hides00:35
paulproteusIt's the fully-Free fork of SugarCRM, anyway.00:36
JED3ohh okay00:36
pyrakugh, for some reason hacking on MW always frustrates me01:50
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jibotmecredis is Fred Benenson. He works as Creative Commons' Culture Program Associate in NYC and joined the board of SFC after starting Free Culture @ NYU & Fred Benenson. He founded Free Culture @ NYU and graduated in May of 2005. He currently lives in New York City and works as a freelance web developer and a FreeCulture activist. He may or may not be a board member of FreeCulture.org but has worked for Creative Commons and volunteered for the EFF. & Fred Benenson.02:05
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pyrakredundancy police02:27
greg-gredundancy police02:33
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jibotjgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay02:35
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jibotJoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons06:15
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jibotJoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons07:03
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kkneed cc numbers can you help11:25
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jibotJoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons13:21
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jibotJoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons13:38
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jibotpyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern14:35
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papyromancer_I always smile when someone like kk comes in here looking for credit card numbers ;P14:52
papyromancer_?def 'cc number' is 'for credit card numbers email ic3@fbi.giv'14:56
jibot'cc is not defined yet...14:56
papyromancer_?def cc\ number is 'for credit card numbers email ic3@fbi.giv'14:56
jibotcc\ is not defined yet...14:56
papyromancer_?def creditcards is for credit card numbers email ic3@fbi.giv14:57
jibotcreditcards is for credit card numbers email ic3@fbi.giv14:57
papyromancer_?def14:57
jibotis14:57
papyromancer_?def creditcards14:57
jibotcreditcards is for credit card numbers email ic3@fbi.giv14:57
papyromancer_?forget creditcards14:58
papyromancer_?def cc# is foundz 4 l33t = ic3@fbi.gov14:59
jibotcc# is foundz 4 l33t = ic3@fbi.gov14:59
papyromancer_excuse me14:59
papyromancer_?def cc#14:59
jibotcc# is foundz 4 l33t = ic3@fbi.gov14:59
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jibotmecredis is Fred Benenson. He works as Creative Commons' Culture Program Associate in NYC and joined the board of SFC after starting Free Culture @ NYU & Fred Benenson. He founded Free Culture @ NYU and graduated in May of 2005. He currently lives in New York City and works as a freelance web developer and a FreeCulture activist. He may or may not be a board member of FreeCulture.org but has worked for Creative Commons and volunteered for the EFF. & Fred Benenson.15:03
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jibotjgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay15:39
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* paroneay` is at the portland airport16:00
paroneay`portland is so nice!16:01
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jibotmlinksva is from Creative Commons and Mike Linksvayer16:04
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aureliahey tech people, Michelle in Germany just pointed out to me that my name is spelled wrong when it comes up with my email.  It's correct in the email address; it's the <name> part that's wrong.  Is there a way to get this fixed?16:21
mlinksvaaurelia: which mail client are you using? generally you set your name for outgoing email in the client16:27
aureliamlinksva it's my cc email. Do I have control over the name part?16:28
mlinksvaif you mean the cc gmail interface, go to https://mail.google.com/a/creativecommons.org/#settings/accounts16:28
mlinksvaclick edit info16:28
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aureliamlinksva thanks! I just added the correct spelling as a second option.  :)16:33
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mlinksvaaurelia: ah, i didn't realize there was a name setting tied to the acct.  your primary name is now correct16:38
aureliamlinksva thank you16:39
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nathanyJED3: I can do this whenever you're ready17:22
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aureliaThought people here might be interested in this: Carrier Pigeon faster than Internet http://www.techmasai.com/2009/09/10/telcom-south-africa-turns-out-to-be-slower-than-a-carrier-pigeon-ouch/18:04
mralexwith the advent of high capacity flash drives, IP over avian carrier data rates have increased substantially18:08
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jibotpyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern18:25
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remaximhi18:49
remaximping greg-g18:49
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greg-gremaxim: pong19:04
remaximhey greg-g19:04
remaximI kinda hoped you could help me shortly... after I posted to the mailing list I got a great amount of answer19:05
greg-gI'm glad it helped19:05
remaximwhich soon became discussion on similar stuff (at least I felt like that) and now I don't really know if the discussion is finished already or someone will answer to me anymore19:06
greg-gremaxim: well, in most cases, mailing lists discussions just stop at a natural point, no one really gives "a final answer"19:08
remaximgreg-g, ah, ok... thanks19:08
greg-gso, if you feel you want to talk about it more, you can pick up certain parts of the discussion and ask questions19:08
greg-gbut just try not to repeat yourself19:09
remaximmike linksvayer said it is a complicated issue and he doesn't really know the answer to it... so I guess it means BY-SA isn't secure enough for me19:09
remaximthat's the only thing that I want to know right now... I already asked it in the ML19:09
greg-git all depends on your definition of "secure"19:09
remaximdo you remember the discussion we had earilier?19:10
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greg-gyes, but I don't ahve time to fully discuss it right now, sorry remaxim19:10
remaximgreg-g, no... I meant I already defined secure19:11
greg-gagain, my personal suggestion is to use BY-SA for stuff you want in Open Source anything, and if that isn't an option for you (for whatever reason) then unfortunately you won't be able to contribute to Open Source games19:11
remaximgreg-g, yeah... I also see it as the final answer19:12
remaximthank you for your great help :)19:12
greg-gI would need to re-read the thread to find your definition of secure19:12
greg-gyou are very welcome19:12
greg-gI hope you can contribute to the open source community later19:12
remaximgreg-g, sure... I ll concentrate on writing code and releasing CC-NC music19:14
remaximno need for re-reading... that takes way too long. once again thanks for the help19:14
greg-g:)19:15
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remaximhi Legend19:24
remaximLegend, this is the mailing list I ve told you about: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-community19:25
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mecredisnathany: how did you want to try to prepare the data for Jonathan?19:32
mecredisor rather, what are our first steps?19:32
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nathanymecredis: I don't know yet; was trying to get cc network stuff out this AM, going to look at it after I eat19:38
mecredisgot it19:39
mecrediswell let me know if I can help, but I'll just let you reply to him19:39
mecredishave a good lunch19:39
nathanysounds good; first step is probably getting the agreement figured out.  I was going to email DP, not expecting an answer until post NC study publication19:40
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mecredisyep19:40
nathanyi'll follow up with him, though, today19:40
mecredisthanks19:40
paulproteusOT but awesome: http://people.debian.org/~jaldhar/rup/index.html19:57
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jibotpyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern20:20
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pyraknathany, did you get a chance to poke that ccsearch merge again?20:47
nathanypyrak: no, i haven't20:47
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pyraki'd be interested to know what the remedy is, and what i did wrong :/20:47
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nathanypyrak: I saw one commit come through the commits list and it looked like you'd re-initialized the tracking information when you went to merge again... that could be it20:54
nathanynot sure20:54
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pyrakah20:56
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remaximhttp://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-community/2009-September/thread.html22:23
remaximsorry... wrong window22:23
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remaximI have a very strange question...23:04
remaximif I have a gpl game with open gl effects written in the code23:04
remaximand the game media is BY-SA23:05
remaximwhat license does a screenshot have if you can see both on it? or does it have any license at all?23:05
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