Thursday, 2009-09-10

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papyromancer_I'm collecting user agents to hopefully build a media redirection engine that gives browsers media that they can display based on their capabilities, visit http://avai.lightcorp.net/ to help build the database, takes literally a second (if the dns has propogated in your location).06:41
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jibotJoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons07:10
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jibotJoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons08:12
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jibotcsarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca and Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca10:20
csarven?def csarven10:22
jibotcsarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca and Sarven Capadisli http://www.csarven.ca10:22
csarven?forgetme10:23
jibotI've forgotten all about csarven10:23
csarven?learn csarven is Sarven Capadisli http://csarven.ca/10:23
jibotcsarven is Sarven Capadisli http://csarven.ca/10:23
csarvenOK10:23
csarvenSo, I'm wondering about CC 3.0. Couldn't decipher 'Termination' :)10:24
csarvenIf I create some work, and you adapt that work, do I have the right to delete my own work?10:24
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greg-gcsarven: yeah, you can delete your work. Just because you licensed it under a CC license doesn't mean we can make you keep the file on a website13:28
greg-g(which is point 2)13:28
greg-gpoint 1 is that if _someone else_ violates the terms of the license, all of the license is now invalid and they are fully liable for full copyright infringement13:29
greg-g(point 1 is 7.a and point 2 is 7.b from http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/legalcode or any of the licenses)13:31
csarvenDoes this than impact attribution?13:33
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csarvengreg-g Thanks.13:43
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jibotmlinksva is from Creative Commons and Mike Linksvayer14:14
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greg-gcsarven: could you rephrase that last question?14:33
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csarvengreg-g How would you be able to give attribution to me? Do I still have the same rights to my now non-existing (deleted) work? Can some with a copy of my original work be able to relicense it?14:39
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jibotakozak is Alex Kozak, Program Assistant at ccLearn and SFC@Berkeley co-founder and a norse god14:59
greg-gcsarven: I still say "by csvaren, CC:BY-SA"15:00
greg-gcsarven: and no, no one by yourself can relicense it15:00
greg-gs/by/but/15:00
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greg-gcsarven: so it does mean that the pratical aspects of giving you attribution are hindered (no link to the original work) but as long as someone has it and knows it is licensed under a CC license, they can use it15:02
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jibotJoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons15:31
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jibotakozak is Alex Kozak, Program Assistant at ccLearn and SFC@Berkeley co-founder and a norse god15:41
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jibotjgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay16:01
akozakthis printing problem is really getting on my nerves16:02
akozakfor some reason my printing jobs only print one page16:03
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greg-gakozak: mac/pc/linux?16:06
akozakubuntu16:06
greg-gweird, when I was there last summer, it worked flawlessly by just network discovering the printer16:07
greg-gon Ubuntu16:07
akozakyea16:07
akozakstill working on it16:07
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akozakit works :)16:13
greg-gyay16:13
akozakit's weird how you can have an annoying problem like that for months and it only takes a few minutes to fix if you really focus on it.16:14
greg-gheh, what was the issue?16:15
akozaknot sure, just re-added the printer this time with a proprietary driver (i think)16:15
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greg-ggotcha16:15
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jibotJoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons16:33
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jibotpyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern17:19
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jibotcsarven is Sarven Capadisli http://csarven.ca/17:22
csarvengreg-g Thank you for the info. Appreciated17:23
greg-gcsarven: no problem.17:23
csarvenThe StatusNet software uses CC 3.0 license by default for user notices. We're considering the process we need to go through if/when a user wants to delete their account. The question was whether if we delete such notices that are part of a conversation or not.17:25
greg-gahhh17:27
greg-gI guess it comes down to whether or not you want them to be able to delete all of their posts, the CC license doesn't stop them from doing so.17:28
paulproteusThe CC license is irrevocable, too.17:31
paulproteusSo if you want to keep the posts on the site, you'd be within your (C) rights, I'd think (IANAL, I don't work for CC).17:31
akozakha17:31
akozakYou'd be able to keep them provided it's within the rights granted by the license.17:32
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akozakit could get tricky with separate terms granting use in the ToS, couldn't it?17:32
nathanyhi aurelia17:33
aureliahi nathany17:33
paulproteusHi aurelia!17:33
paulproteusThanks for the book!17:33
mralexhi aurelia17:33
greg-ghi everyone! ;)17:34
paulproteus(I'm Asheesh, not some mysterious stranger named Paul.)17:34
akozakHELLO17:34
mralexhi greg!17:34
paulproteusEHLO17:34
akozakpaulproteus: thanks btw for pointing out problems with the events script, i haven't had time to dive into it yet.17:35
paulproteusNo prob.17:35
akozakI wonder if it's the same empty first line in csv issue17:36
aureliapaulproteus, yes, I know it's you; Nathan told me. glad you got the book.  hope you enjoy it.17:36
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jibotpyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern21:13
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JED3mralex: ping23:47
mralexJED3: pong23:47
JED3hey, it looks like you've added some AB testing code to the templates of cc.net, do we still need this or are we finished with the testing?23:49
mralexit can be removed23:49
JED3okay cool23:49
mralextraffic is so low the test is inconclusive23:49
pyrakeither of you have ideas for how to include a custom piece of javascript with a semantic form?23:50
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