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| pyrak | JED3, yes | 00:14 |
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| JED3 | do you have a working prototype somewhere? | 00:15 |
| pyrak | JED3, interestingly, i'm just now working on that | 00:15 |
| JED3 | ohh okay, cool | 00:15 |
| pyrak | on my local machine i certainly do | 00:16 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, http://a8.creativecommons.org:8080/~pyrak/jswidget/branches/cc0-fewer-templates/example-web-app/ | 00:16 |
| pyrak | any ideas? | 00:16 |
| nkinkade | [Thu Aug 06 00:16:25 2009] [alert] [client 71.134.236.201] /home/pyrak/public_html/jswidget/branches/cc0-fewer-templates/.htaccess: Options not allowed here | 00:17 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: ^^ | 00:17 |
| pyrak | JED3, it might be really useful for you to double-check my work and make sure that my new templating system isn't a horrible idea | 00:17 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, so .htaccess isn't allowed in general? or something specific? | 00:17 |
| nkinkade | No, just whatever Options you are trying to set. | 00:17 |
| nkinkade | I can allow them if you need them. | 00:17 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, i'll pm you the contents of the file | 00:18 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, pretty sure the important part of that is the first <files> | 00:19 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: Remove MultiViews from the the options list | 00:22 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: Whey doesn't example-web-app/ exist? | 00:24 |
| nkinkade | http://a8.creativecommons.org:8080/~pyrak/jswidget/branches/cc0-fewer-templates/example-web-app/ | 00:24 |
| nkinkade | I'm about to have to leave. | 00:25 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, it does. weird. | 00:27 |
| nkinkade | It may not be seeing the index.html | 00:27 |
| pyrak | but i won't keep you, nkinkade | 00:27 |
| nkinkade | Add | 00:27 |
| nkinkade | DirectoryIndex index.html to your .htaccess | 00:27 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, even if i specify which file in the folder, it says it was not found | 00:28 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: It may have been a cache thing. | 00:29 |
| nkinkade | Seems to be working now. | 00:29 |
| nkinkade | At least partly. | 00:29 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, erm. not for me. | 00:30 |
| pyrak | at all. | 00:30 |
| pyrak | still haven't made that change to .taccess tho | 00:30 |
| nkinkade | http://a8.creativecommons.org/~pyrak/jswidget/branches/cc0-fewer-templates/example_web_app/ | 00:30 |
| pyrak | ah, i see you did it already | 00:30 |
| nkinkade | That? | 00:30 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, I commented out your Options line. | 00:30 |
| nkinkade | On that URL above I'm not getting an error. It looks sparse, but there is some output. | 00:31 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, okay, got it | 00:31 |
| nkinkade | :8080 is fine usually to bypass Varnish, like you were doing. | 00:31 |
| pyrak | now, it's probably not observing that first <File> rule | 00:31 |
| pyrak | <Files>, rather | 00:32 |
| pyrak | hm, maybe it is. complete.js seems to be behaving as you'd expect | 00:33 |
| nkinkade | SetHandler php5-script: what's that? | 00:34 |
| nkinkade | I've never seen that configuration. | 00:34 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, the idea is that complete.js should be interpreted as php | 00:35 |
| pyrak | because that's what it actually is. but it spits out javascript. | 00:35 |
| nkinkade | That sounds crazy to me. | 00:35 |
| nkinkade | Why not just give it a .php extension? | 00:36 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, yeah, sounded a little crazy to me also. not my design :P | 00:36 |
| pyrak | for my money ... exactly what you just said | 00:36 |
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| nkinkade | Hmm. paulproteus works in strange and mysterious ways. | 00:37 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, tell me about it | 00:37 |
| nkinkade | I'm sure he had a good reason to do it that way. | 00:38 |
| pyrak | i'm imagining ... exactly what you just said. | 00:38 |
| pyrak | okay, i'm heading out | 00:39 |
| pyrak | thanks for your help, nkinkade | 00:40 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: We can look at this a bit more tomorrow. | 00:40 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, kk | 00:40 |
| nkinkade | Worst case we'll just move this to api.CC.org, maybe there are some configs somewhere that make all this happen. | 00:40 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, yeah, i thought that might be the case | 00:40 |
| nkinkade | Things that aren't configured for your public_html stuff. | 00:40 |
| pyrak | i'll probably be doing other stuff in the morning, but back to this in the afternoon | 00:41 |
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| paroneayea | good morning | 14:20 |
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| nkinkade | mecredis: mecredis_: You're in #cc twice. | 15:31 |
| nkinkade | anandology: Did I just reply to an email from you? | 15:31 |
| mecredis_ | indeed | 15:31 |
| mecredis_ | left my machine at home on | 15:31 |
| mecredis_ | as such is life | 15:31 |
| nkinkade | mecredis_: I just made those files writable ... will you try the sidebar edit again? | 15:32 |
| mecredis_ | sure one sec | 15:32 |
| mecredis_ | thanks | 15:32 |
| mecredis_ | great it works | 15:32 |
| mecredis_ | thanks | 15:32 |
| nkinkade | There's no particular reason it was that way ... | 15:32 |
| nkinkade | I guess nobody had requested it before. | 15:32 |
| anandology | nkinkade: I just saw your reply | 15:33 |
| nkinkade | anandology: If you are unable to get a reply from someone at CC India, let me know and I'll try to get ahold of them through some other channel. | 15:33 |
| anandology | nkinkade: I'm taking about this page http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ | 15:34 |
| anandology | not the complete license statement | 15:34 |
| nkinkade | anandology: Those are the "Commons Deeds" and their translation is also handled by our affiliates. | 15:35 |
| anandology | nkinkade: Thanks. I'll write to them. | 15:36 |
| nkinkade | At the moment about the only translations that don't have to go through our affiliates are the things on the wiki. | 15:36 |
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| anandology | nkinkade: I'll look at the wiki | 16:04 |
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| paroneayea | trying to run the nosetests on the "new" cc.license (the one in git) | 16:15 |
| paroneayea | RedlandError: "file './license.rdf/rdf/index.rdf' open failed - No such file or directory" | 16:15 |
| paroneayea | seems correct. Is there something I'm supposed to check out manually / add there? | 16:15 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: That is a generated file. | 16:19 |
| nkinkade | ./bin/merge creates it | 16:20 |
| nkinkade | http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Deploying_Jurisdictions#Add_RDF_for_new_licenses_.28license.rdf_checkout.29 | 16:20 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: aha | 16:21 |
| nkinkade | That teamspace page will be somewhat useful at times, even when not deploying a jurisdiction. | 16:21 |
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| mecredis_ | nkinkade: sorry to bug again, can you give me write access on the plugins dir for staging | 17:15 |
| mecredis_ | wanted to add another plugin | 17:15 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: Do you mean for the user fred, or for Wordpress? | 17:17 |
| mecredis_ | fred | 17:18 |
| mecredis_ | on a7.cc | 17:18 |
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| nkinkade | mecredis_: Done. | 17:20 |
| mecredis_ | thanks | 17:20 |
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| pyrak | JED3, blarg. more python package headache :( | 18:27 |
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| JED3 | haha, if you need help "come on down" | 18:29 |
| paroneayea | I'm still not sure how to approach a situation like this in the "zc.buildout" kind of way. I know how I'd handle it in the virtualenv kind of way, but... | 18:33 |
| paroneayea | http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Deploying_Jurisdictions#Preparation | 18:34 |
| paroneayea | hm | 18:34 |
| paroneayea | when checking out multiple packages like this, as per an instruction, what kind of environment do you keep other than just having one package as the base of the zc.buildout environment? | 18:35 |
| paroneayea | or do you normally create one zc.buildout enviornment, then check out those various packages into it? | 18:35 |
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| paroneayea | hum. | 18:43 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: I think its easiest to create a zc.buildout for each package | 18:47 |
| JED3 | however you don't want to replicate checkouts you could modify the develop-eggs to instances you have already checked out elsewhere | 18:47 |
| JED3 | does that make sense? | 18:48 |
| JED3 | the only ones I would say would be worthwhile of doing that for is license.rdf and i18n | 18:48 |
| JED3 | which each have several files and are frequently updated | 18:49 |
| paroneayea | ah, hm | 18:59 |
| paroneayea | yeah, thanks | 18:59 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: so about how often do you go through the language deployment process? | 20:13 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Language deployment, or jurisdiction deployment? | 20:14 |
| nkinkade | They are distinct. | 20:14 |
| paroneayea | Hm. I suppose I meant jurisdiction deployment, but might as well know both :) | 20:14 |
| paroneayea | well, licenses.xml was updated 24 times last year | 20:24 |
| paroneayea | so some sort of action seems to happen on average every two weeks | 20:24 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: We probably only deploy a new jurisdiction a few times a year. | 20:32 |
| nkinkade | It really depends how many project jurisdictions are in the queue and how fast the finish up their work. | 20:33 |
| nkinkade | licenses.xml is not only edited when new jurisdictions are launched. | 20:33 |
| nkinkade | It can be edited for any number of reasons, such as entering a new URL for the jurisdiction site, when a jurisdiction upgrades from one license version to another, etc. | 20:34 |
| paroneayea | aha | 20:41 |
| JED3 | akozak: berkley class on python http://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~selfpace/cs9honline/ | 20:51 |
| akozak | JED3: awesome. I was enrolled in cs9 for lisp once, had to drop it. | 20:52 |
| JED3 | is that into level CS course? | 20:52 |
| JED3 | an intro* | 20:53 |
| akozak | yea, self-paced | 20:53 |
| JED3 | very cool | 20:53 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, back to staging jswidget? | 20:57 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: Sure. | 20:57 |
| pyrak | when last we left our heroes... | 20:57 |
| nkinkade | Let's just try somewhere other than your home dir. | 20:58 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, roger | 20:58 |
| nkinkade | Where is the existing one? | 20:58 |
| pyrak | i'll try from api.cc.o/jswidget-testing | 20:58 |
| nkinkade | ... again? | 20:58 |
| pyrak | api.cc.o/jswidget | 20:58 |
| pyrak | i think | 20:58 |
| pyrak | but there's also a copy at labs.cc.o | 20:58 |
| nkinkade | Do you have the privs to write it there? | 20:58 |
| nkinkade | I can give you sudo privs if you don't already have them. | 20:59 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, 1 sec | 20:59 |
| nkinkade | You just have to promise to not rm -rf important parts of the system. | 20:59 |
| nkinkade | An intern did that once. It was not pretty. | 20:59 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, yeah, nyergler told me about that once | 20:59 |
| nkinkade | It was just after I had started, and *just* before I had implemented sound backups. | 20:59 |
| JED3 | haha, ouch | 21:00 |
| nkinkade | We recovered, but it was a good reminder of how easy it is to trash a machine with root privileges. | 21:00 |
| JED3 | was it trashed completely? as in rm / ? | 21:00 |
| nkinkade | Maybe it's part of the reason why I tend to be so miserly with shell accounts. | 21:01 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Nah. He just rm -rf'd some big chunk of /var, but we were able to recover from it. | 21:01 |
| JED3 | ahh, thats just as bad considering our uses | 21:02 |
| nkinkade | Stinginess with privileges is kindness in disguise. | 21:02 |
| nkinkade | -- Guide to VAX/VMS Security, 1984 | 21:02 |
| nkinkade | That was a fortune phrase in one of the Logwatch reports the other day. | 21:02 |
| JED3 | just out of curiosity, have we ever seriously considered implementing a more robust backup scheme or at least something greater than our current mysqldump scripts? | 21:03 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, up and running: http://api.creativecommons.org/jswidget-testing/example_web_app/ | 21:04 |
| nkinkade | So I guess there are some specific Apache configs for api.CC.org that aren't in effect for you home dir. | 21:05 |
| pyrak | either that or i'm an idiot and forgot to run make | 21:05 |
| pyrak | 1 sec | 21:05 |
| pyrak | yeah, it's the me being an idiot thing | 21:05 |
| pyrak | http://a8.creativecommons.org:8080/~pyrak/jswidget/branches/cc0-fewer-templates/example_web_app/ | 21:06 |
| pyrak | i'll go kill my checkout at api.cc.o | 21:07 |
| nkinkade | I do things like that with regularity. | 21:09 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, which server does labs live on? | 21:10 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: a7 | 21:10 |
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| pyrak | also, do you have any idea why we have jswidget code hosted on both labs.cc.o/demos and api.cc.o/ | 21:10 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: I'm not sure why it's on labs. | 21:18 |
| pyrak | that's what the wiki links to | 21:20 |
| pyrak | which probably means that we ought to keep it alive | 21:20 |
| paroneayea | so labs isn't a "dev server", correct | 21:27 |
| paroneayea | it's also used to deploy live sites | 21:27 |
| paroneayea | is that right? | 21:28 |
| * paroneayea has answered his own question by looking around | 21:31 | |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Yup. labs is just one site among many on that server. | 21:41 |
| nkinkade | The CC Wiki is there, for example. | 21:41 |
| nkinkade | In other news, I do believe that my Openmoko Freerunner is about ready for use as a daily/primary phone. | 21:42 |
| nkinkade | SHR-unstable is working quite well. This may interest paulproteus, but he may also be loving his Android phone. | 21:42 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, That's great to hear. | 21:45 |
| paulproteus | There was a talk at Debconf this year by the Debian OpenMoko team. | 21:45 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: There are still a few bugs to be worked out, but I think it's actually usable as phone with SHR-unstable. | 21:46 |
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| paulproteus | Sadly I missed this year's Debconf. | 21:46 |
| akozak | paulproteus: watching your pycon talk | 21:46 |
| * paulproteus runs in fear | 21:46 | |
| akozak | (half watching) | 21:46 |
| akozak | haha | 21:46 |
| nkinkade | I mean, the interface is still quite slow, but I'm never in such a hurry that 3 or 4 seconds to launch an application is going to ruin my life. | 21:47 |
| Bovinity | paulproteus: how are you liking Android, if at all? | 21:49 |
| pyrak | akozak, there's a vid? | 21:55 |
| pyrak | want | 21:55 |
| akozak | http://blip.tv/file/2022154 | 21:56 |
| pyrak | is this the web scraping one? | 21:56 |
| akozak | yes | 21:56 |
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| paulproteus | Bovinity, Quite a bit, but I shouldn't chat much right now. | 22:07 |
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