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| pyrak | heh. i'm getting i permission denied error in JS | 17:14 |
| pyrak | hm, this is really interesting. anyone have a solid understanding of scripting across frames? | 17:16 |
| pyrak | looks like you can _set_ the url of a frame, but you can't _get_ it | 17:16 |
| paroneayea | there's some security protections when it comes to accessing data from one frame to another | 17:17 |
| paroneayea | to prevent XSS attacks | 17:17 |
| pyrak | yeah, that's what i'm seeing. hm. | 17:17 |
| paroneayea | that way you can't open a frame that'll open a person's bank account site, have them put in their password | 17:17 |
| paroneayea | then take it :) | 17:17 |
| paroneayea | amongst other things | 17:18 |
| pyrak | paroneayea, but interestingly, i can certainly open up a frame, change its size, and tell it what url to go to (bankofyourmom.com) | 17:18 |
| pyrak | i just can't go in and see whether or not they're still at bankofyourmom.com | 17:18 |
| paroneayea | but you can't explore its dom | 17:18 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 17:18 |
| pyrak | actually, you can. maybe. | 17:18 |
| pyrak | 1 sec | 17:19 |
| paroneayea | I'm pretty sure you can't | 17:19 |
| pyrak | this suggests you can: | 17:19 |
| pyrak | http://roneiv.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/get-the-content-of-an-iframe-in-javascript-crossbrowser-solution-for-both-ie-and-firefox/ | 17:19 |
| paroneayea | hm | 17:19 |
| JED3 | yeah you can get the html content of a frame | 17:19 |
| paroneayea | really? I thought you couldn't | 17:19 |
| JED3 | I think you can | 17:19 |
| pyrak | but i just want the _url_ of the iframe | 17:20 |
| JED3 | frame.content | 17:20 |
| paroneayea | oh hm | 17:20 |
| paroneayea | what about of an iframe? | 17:20 |
| JED3 | frame.contentDocument** | 17:20 |
| paroneayea | I remember some issue where the client wanted to embed some other site in the iframe and pull data from it | 17:20 |
| paroneayea | and we found out that certain browsers blocked it | 17:20 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: i'm pretty sure all of the modern browsers no longer support it | 17:21 |
| JED3 | :) but it was once possible | 17:21 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 17:21 |
| JED3 | pyrak: so you want to pass "out" the iframe's uri as they navigation around in that frame? | 17:22 |
| pyrak | JED3, yes. | 17:23 |
| pyrak | i mean, it doesn't have to be triggered by their doing stuff in the frame, it's triggered by hand | 17:23 |
| pyrak | i'm trying to fix the bug where in ccsearch, when you hit the X in the top right, it sends you to the last ccsearch results | 17:24 |
| pyrak | which the user may have navigated away from | 17:24 |
| pyrak | it'd be better if it sent you to the url that had been used to query the page currently in the iframe | 17:24 |
| JED3 | yeah I think thats not a bug per se | 17:24 |
| JED3 | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/lolcats-funny-picture-my-feet.jpg&imgrefurl=http://jianghu.wordpress.com/2007/10/27/ankles/&usg=__7FNmen01f-asstij7zimhQ6-dck=&h=302&w=499&sz=26&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=dsTZ0Jr5NQAB7M:&tbnh=79&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dicanhazcheezburger%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den | 17:24 |
| JED3 | google images will do the same thing | 17:25 |
| pyrak | JED3, hm, you're right | 17:25 |
| pyrak | let me see if facebook's thing does it as well | 17:25 |
| JED3 | it should, check stumbleupon as well | 17:25 |
| pyrak | hey! stumbleupon's iframe thingey's height is off in my ffx | 17:29 |
| pyrak | we're better than stumbleupon! yes! | 17:29 |
| JED3 | haha | 17:29 |
| paroneayea | oh man | 17:29 |
| JED3 | should i order the pizza? | 17:29 |
| paroneayea | I am so looking forward to talking to nathan in person next week | 17:29 |
| JED3 | re: cc.license and engine? | 17:30 |
| paroneayea | and clarifying how all these components work together | 17:30 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 17:30 |
| paroneayea | maybe I will make a tolkeinesque map | 17:30 |
| paroneayea | Forest of Cc.License | 17:30 |
| JED3 | i'm sorry for not sending that email, its on the top of my todo list for this morning | 17:30 |
| paroneayea | River of API | 17:30 |
| paroneayea | Here be Dragons | 17:30 |
| paroneayea | np | 17:31 |
| pyrak | blarg. i can't find an example of facebook's iframe thing | 17:31 |
| pyrak | it's like a random 1 in 10 wall links use it | 17:32 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: have you been reading up on repoze? | 17:33 |
| paroneayea | that's on my todo list for today :) | 17:35 |
| JED3 | I've been reading myself, I've never used it before | 17:36 |
| paroneayea | I'll see if I can make a tiny app with it, just to get a sense of it | 17:37 |
| JED3 | yeah | 17:37 |
| JED3 | nathan made a very good case for it in his email | 17:37 |
| paroneayea | Yeah, I can certainly understand the desire to not start from scratch. I'm not entirely clear yet what components it'll allow us to preserve (and that we wouldn't have been able to preserve otherwise yet) | 17:38 |
| paroneayea | sounds like there's a definite desire to ditch the ZODB then? | 17:38 |
| paroneayea | do we want to replace it with something like sqlalchemy or something? | 17:39 |
| JED3 | yes, without a doubt | 17:39 |
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| paroneayea | cool, good to know | 17:42 |
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| pyrak | mediawiki.git is huge | 18:26 |
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| akozak | wow it's already almost noon? | 18:43 |
| JED3 | i can smell the curry already | 18:44 |
| * paroneayea wants curry | 18:48 | |
| * paroneayea ponders making something with curry for lunch, realizes his wife is home and suspects she will not go for it | 18:49 | |
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| JED3 | mecredis: yo | 20:31 |
| mecredis | JED3: YO | 20:32 |
| JED3 | hey do you know of any businesses that use the "promo code" model for membership? | 20:32 |
| mecredis | drop.io | 20:32 |
| mecredis | but its more like pass codes | 20:32 |
| mecredis | like "lessig" would get you free 25gb or something | 20:32 |
| JED3 | ohh okay | 20:34 |
| mecredis | but one off ones .. | 20:34 |
| mecredis | not sure if I know anyone doing it the way we are | 20:34 |
| JED3 | i'm trying to sketch out how we should structure these pages | 20:34 |
| mecredis | ok | 20:35 |
| mecredis | where are you at now? | 20:35 |
| akozak | mecredis: how did the conference go? | 20:35 |
| mecredis | it was good | 20:35 |
| mecredis | I liked presenting ccLearn | 20:35 |
| mecredis | nothing totally extraordinary | 20:35 |
| mecredis | one person asked to be listed in DiscovEd | 20:36 |
| mecredis | let me get her e-mail so you can drop her a line | 20:36 |
| mecredis | and follow up | 20:36 |
| akozak | ok cool | 20:36 |
| mecredis | I'll email it to you | 20:36 |
| akozak | did you get to meet sen. rockefeller? :) | 20:38 |
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| mecredis | nope, guess I missed him? | 20:39 |
| JED3 | mecredis: right now i'm working on the form where you enter a promo code to upgrade your account | 20:43 |
| mecredis | right | 20:43 |
| JED3 | so I wanted to see how others have laid this type of thing out | 20:43 |
| mecredis | ah I see | 20:44 |
| mecredis | fresh direct does it | 20:44 |
| mecredis | during check out | 20:44 |
| mecredis | in view cart / etc. | 20:44 |
| mecredis | can you show me what you have going? | 20:44 |
| JED3 | hmm yeah, one sec | 20:44 |
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| pyrak | nkinkade, to what extent do i need to be super careful about the complexity of the jswidget php? | 20:49 |
| pyrak | i want to add processing for one more query str variable-- so that means one additional if statement | 20:49 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: I'm not sure I know what you mean. | 20:49 |
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| nkinkade | I guess you have to do what you have to do. | 20:50 |
| pyrak | well, it's a feature that i just decided could possibly be useful, but i don't have reason to believe that people will use it | 20:50 |
| nkinkade | An extra if statement means nothing to me as long as it doesn't affect overall performance. | 20:50 |
| pyrak | it's a pretty trivial operation--just checking the contents of a value in $_GET | 20:52 |
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| JED3 | mecredis: weird, your latest tweet. I was listening to that song just as your tweet popped up | 20:56 |
| JED3 | and coincidentally the song that came on right after is "Jesus, etc." by Wilco | 20:57 |
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| mecredis | haha | 21:00 |
| mecredis | wild | 21:00 |
| mecredis | I love Yacht | 21:00 |
| mecredis | they understand the spectacle | 21:01 |
| mecredis | haha | 21:01 |
| JED3 | haha | 21:05 |
| JED3 | so, http://staging.creativecommons.net | 21:05 |
| JED3 | right now I'm trying to tie up the UI | 21:05 |
| JED3 | good thing is that I've got a stable registration system in place | 21:06 |
| JED3 | go to /a/register to create an account | 21:06 |
| JED3 | the promo code can be left blank, or you can add "1234abcd" if you want to test out that functionality | 21:07 |
| JED3 | you can also test to verify that that code cannot be used again | 21:07 |
| nkinkade | JED3: paroneayea: Do either of you happen to know anything debugging database locks in mysql? | 21:10 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: nope :\ | 21:11 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: whats going on? | 21:11 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Deleting pages on the wiki is brutally slow and sometimes causes 503 errors. | 21:11 |
| nkinkade | I've tracked it down on wiki-staging to a lock on a row (??) that is blocking another statement and it can't complete until the lock times out. | 21:12 |
| nkinkade | I'm just not sure how to figure out where the lock came from. | 21:12 |
| nkinkade | MySQL clearly tells me that it's got a thread in the queue waiting for a lock to clear, but I don't know where the lock came from and what the process that has it is doing. | 21:13 |
| mecredis | JED3: thanks cheking now | 21:13 |
| mecredis | JED3: nice | 21:15 |
| mecredis | can you gie me one that works? | 21:15 |
| JED3 | a code? | 21:15 |
| mecredis | yeah | 21:15 |
| mecredis | 1234abcd doesn't | 21:15 |
| mecredis | heh | 21:15 |
| JED3 | oh damn, okay | 21:16 |
| JED3 | try "12345678" | 21:16 |
| mecredis | nice | 21:16 |
| mecredis | well I guess the verification e-mail page | 21:16 |
| mecredis | should mention that my promo code worked | 21:16 |
| mecredis | there's no feedback right now to the user that it was sucessful | 21:16 |
| mecredis | only if its not | 21:16 |
| JED3 | okay, sure | 21:16 |
| mecredis | nice I like http://staging.creativecommons.net/a/renew/ | 21:17 |
| mecredis | even though it needs some formatting help | 21:17 |
| JED3 | well yeah thats where I stopped to come in here and ask questions | 21:17 |
| mecredis | heh | 21:18 |
| mecredis | do you want my help on that? | 21:18 |
| mecredis | or | 21:18 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: how/where did you find the thread waiting for the lock to cleaR? | 21:18 |
| nkinkade | JED3: SHOW INNODB STATUS; | 21:19 |
| nkinkade | And also with innotop. | 21:19 |
| nkinkade | Maybe I just don't know how to read the output. | 21:19 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Does this mean anything to you: http://pastebin.com/d6ef4d668 | 21:20 |
| * pyrak smiles @ use of djange re: cc network | 21:20 | |
| nkinkade | It's clear to me what is waiting on the lock to clear, but what's not clear is what the process that has the lock is doing, or even which process has the lock. | 21:21 |
| JED3 | mecredis: naa I was thinking it might be cleaner to take the "buy code" form off of the "enter promo code to upgrade" page... | 21:21 |
| mecredis | hrm.... | 21:22 |
| mecredis | you mean " | 21:22 |
| mecredis | Don't have a code? Purchase one now!" | 21:22 |
| mecredis | take that off? | 21:22 |
| JED3 | yeah, and the "buy now" buttons that SHOULD be below it :) | 21:22 |
| mecredis | sure | 21:23 |
| mecredis | well poke around with it | 21:23 |
| mecredis | and then I can take a pass | 21:23 |
| JED3 | yeah, itd be nice to see how other people approached it | 21:23 |
| mecredis | I guess it wouldn't be feasible | 21:25 |
| mecredis | to put it in paypal | 21:25 |
| mecredis | like waiting till check out | 21:25 |
| mecredis | to put the promo code in | 21:26 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: jeez idk, you're given the thread id but I'm not sure how you can get the parent pid from that | 21:26 |
| mecredis | it seems like it will only be relevant to a small percentage of our users | 21:26 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I'm not sure that it's a parent process that is hold the lock. | 21:27 |
| JED3 | mecredis: not sure if i follow | 21:27 |
| nkinkade | For all I know it's some other distinct connection that was made. | 21:27 |
| mecredis | well are all users who choose to upgrade to premium going to have to use a promo code? | 21:28 |
| JED3 | yes | 21:28 |
| mecredis | ah I see | 21:29 |
| mecredis | so right now | 21:29 |
| mecredis | I sign up and it gives me a one-time click link | 21:29 |
| JED3 | so they buy the code, then use the code to upgrade | 21:29 |
| mecredis | the code gets purchased through paypal | 21:29 |
| mecredis | which then sends an e-mail | 21:30 |
| mecredis | with it | 21:30 |
| mecredis | and directs the user to register with a link | 21:30 |
| JED3 | yes, or someone makes a donation at support.cc.org, or they've received the code on a handout or something | 21:30 |
| mecredis | could we auto-populate that field? | 21:30 |
| JED3 | what do you mean? | 21:31 |
| mecredis | so that we both give the promocode in plain text | 21:31 |
| JED3 | like create a million of them, so we can start handing em out? | 21:31 |
| mecredis | but also link to it like | 21:31 |
| mecredis | http://creativecommons.net/a/register/1a5ed0e2fc02905206a95b9ab35c6b72701c39b1?promo=1234abcd | 21:31 |
| JED3 | yes, I made sure to design it that way | 21:31 |
| mecredis | right so the user doesn't have to type it in | 21:31 |
| mecredis | if they follow the link from registration | 21:31 |
| JED3 | ehh, idk | 21:31 |
| mecredis | what are your thoughts on that? | 21:31 |
| JED3 | well that link you just included is used for activating the account | 21:32 |
| mecredis | indeed | 21:32 |
| mecredis | bad example | 21:32 |
| JED3 | our way of verifying their email | 21:32 |
| mecredis | hold on | 21:32 |
| mecredis | so when they purchase it | 21:32 |
| mecredis | maybe they get the link http://staging.creativecommons.net/a/renew/?promo=1234abcd | 21:32 |
| JED3 | oh yeah definitely | 21:32 |
| JED3 | thatd be straightforward | 21:33 |
| mecredis | good | 21:33 |
| mecredis | just want to make sure we can avoid them having to copy and paste too much if possible | 21:33 |
| mecredis | the users that do order from paypal, that is | 21:33 |
| mecredis | ok so where were we | 21:33 |
| mecredis | I'm a new user | 21:33 |
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| mecredis | I'm at | 21:34 |
| mecredis | http://staging.creativecommons.net/a/register/ | 21:34 |
| mecredis | I haven't purchased anything | 21:34 |
| mecredis | then I just go forward and get a free account | 21:34 |
| JED3 | yeah | 21:34 |
| mecredis | that's easy | 21:34 |
| mecredis | next | 21:34 |
| mecredis | I'm someone who wants to pay using paypal | 21:35 |
| mecredis | what page do I start on | 21:35 |
| mecredis | (Join isn't working) | 21:35 |
| JED3 | no its not | 21:35 |
| mecredis | ok not a biggie | 21:35 |
| JED3 | join will have the big prices and buy now buttons | 21:35 |
| mecredis | got it | 21:36 |
| mecredis | then those pass off to paypal | 21:36 |
| mecredis | paypal then sets up a IPN | 21:36 |
| mecredis | that then sends the user an email with http://staging.creativecommons.net/a/renew/?promo=1234abcd which autopopulates the form | 21:36 |
| mecredis | with the promo code | 21:36 |
| mecredis | and I'm wondering, can we do PayPal name & e-mail address? | 21:36 |
| mecredis | just to minimize form filling out | 21:36 |
| JED3 | yeah | 21:37 |
| pyrak | after some poking, it seems to me that no jswidget makes no attempt to translate itself--only the outputted license html is translated. | 21:37 |
| pyrak | JED3, do you know if that's correct? | 21:37 |
| JED3 | pyrak: yeah I think thats the point of the i18n tooling built around it | 21:38 |
| pyrak | JED3, what i'm trying to say is that the majority of the widget's text doesn't appear to pass through any translate function | 21:39 |
| pyrak | wait | 21:39 |
| * pyrak digs further | 21:39 | |
| JED3 | at runtime? or most of the text isnt even preprocesseD? | 21:39 |
| JED3 | because I dont think *any* is at runtime, it should all be static | 21:39 |
| pyrak | JED3, i think you're right | 21:41 |
| mecredis | JED3: so I think we're on the same page | 21:42 |
| mecredis | the only thing I'd recommend, and this doesn't need to be done now | 21:42 |
| mecredis | is to do AJAX on the promocode | 21:42 |
| JED3 | validation? | 21:42 |
| mecredis | with a check mark | 21:42 |
| mecredis | yah, kind of a finishing touch | 21:43 |
| mecredis | more than anything else | 21:43 |
| JED3 | hmm, yeah that would be cool, but I dont think that would be very useful | 21:43 |
| mecredis | kind of reminds me of serial numbers | 21:43 |
| mecredis | in software registration | 21:44 |
| JED3 | the "checkbox" validation is more fitting for people who are trying to "guess" at something available | 21:44 |
| JED3 | yeah thats true | 21:44 |
| mecredis | not crucial | 21:44 |
| JED3 | hmm, i'm still a bit concerned about brute force guesses | 21:44 |
| mecredis | I'm sure you've got bigger things | 21:45 |
| mecredis | yeah, brute forcing is the concern | 21:45 |
| JED3 | haha even though we have 62^8 possibilities | 21:45 |
| mecredis | hahaha | 21:45 |
| JED3 | hehe | 21:45 |
| mecredis | is that Aa0-9 right | 21:45 |
| JED3 | i guess its not a big problem then | 21:45 |
| JED3 | yeah case sensi alpha-numerics | 21:45 |
| mecredis | i'll have a bunch of little polish things like that | 21:45 |
| JED3 | cool | 21:45 |
| mecredis | shouldn't be too painful to do | 21:46 |
| JED3 | i want the forms to be snazzy | 21:46 |
| mecredis | yeah, I love designing that kind of interaction | 21:46 |
| mecredis | so hopefully we'll have time to do it | 21:46 |
| mecredis | we should just get all the workflow right now | 21:46 |
| JED3 | we will | 21:46 |
| mecredis | :) | 21:46 |
| JED3 | o we'll make time | 21:46 |
| mecredis | hahah | 21:46 |
| mecredis | so we'll have the source AGPL and available from day one right? | 21:47 |
| mecredis | that's going to be very cool | 21:47 |
| mecredis | and somethin we should build into messaging | 21:47 |
| JED3 | yes, its all agpl | 21:47 |
| mecredis | I'm really psyched about that | 21:47 |
| pyrak | okay, JED3, can i come bother you to talk about translation stuff in a sec? | 21:47 |
| mecredis | hopefully it'll be easy enough for people to deploy | 21:47 |
| mecredis | and they won't have to use democracy in action, etc. | 21:47 |
| JED3 | yeah, how about 10? <-- pyrak | 21:47 |
| pyrak | k | 21:47 |
| mecredis | so any other open issues | 21:48 |
| JED3 | no not really | 21:49 |
| mecredis | so once we get that down | 21:49 |
| mecredis | what remains? the paypal integration | 21:50 |
| JED3 | yeah | 21:51 |
| JED3 | i'm on vacation the week following next and I'd love to have all of the premium/basic accounts functionality ready | 21:55 |
| mecredis | that'd be amazing | 21:55 |
| JED3 | then I can sprint on the campaigns | 21:55 |
| paulproteus | pyrak, look for a JavaScript function that translates text. | 21:56 |
| paulproteus | iirc I wrote one.. | 21:56 |
| JED3 | which a lot is already been completed | 21:56 |
| mecredis | once the paypal integration is done the campaigns won't be that bad | 21:56 |
| mecredis | right? | 21:56 |
| JED3 | yes | 21:56 |
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| paroneayea | repoze.bfg seems pretty nice so far | 21:59 |
| pyrak | paulproteus, yes, i found one | 22:01 |
| pyrak | i'm just confused because there seem to be two things going on: the static translations as well as this javascript function | 22:01 |
| paulproteus | pyrak, Yeah... there's a reason for it. | 22:02 |
| pyrak | what | 22:02 |
| paulproteus | I think it's for strings that are embedded in the JS, or something. | 22:02 |
| paulproteus | I really can't quite remember, but I think you'll find that it serves a purpose. | 22:02 |
| pyrak | what you just described mostly makes sense to me | 22:03 |
| paulproteus | Okay, great. (-: | 22:03 |
| pyrak | my first thought is "well, why not just use the js function for _all_ strings, then? and i guess the answer is to lighten the load on the client" | 22:03 |
| paulproteus | I add "or something" so I wouldn't have to think harder back it up. | 22:03 |
| pyrak | (note: i should have closed those quotes sooner) | 22:03 |
| pyrak | recall that there are static language-specific templates for "most" of the translation | 22:04 |
| mecredis | JED3: well I have to wrap up my day and do dinner | 22:05 |
| mecredis | I'll talk to you on Monday | 22:05 |
| pyrak | really what i want to know is how to make sure that the text that i've added to the template will be translated | 22:05 |
| JED3 | mecredis: cool, take it easy | 22:05 |
| mecredis | going to set up some A/B testing ideas for CCN then | 22:05 |
| JED3 | alright cool | 22:05 |
| JED3 | pyrak: still need help? | 22:08 |
| pyrak | JED3, yeah | 22:08 |
| pyrak | wait | 22:08 |
| pyrak | i think i've got it | 22:08 |
| JED3 | cool | 22:09 |
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| pyrak | JED3, okay, i'm coming to visit | 22:11 |
| JED3 | sure | 22:11 |
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