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| mecredis_ | morrrninggg | 14:34 |
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| paroneayea | morning mecredis_ | 14:47 |
| paroneayea | and everyone :) | 14:47 |
| mecredis_ | woah just got an error on wiki.cc:Error 503 Service Unavailable | 14:49 |
| mecredis_ | Service Unavailable | 14:49 |
| mecredis_ | Guru Meditation: | 14:49 |
| mecredis_ | XID: 571412785 | 14:49 |
| mecredis_ | Varnish | 14:49 |
| mecredis_ | hrm seems to be back | 14:49 |
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| mecredis_ | hrm wiki seems to be having issues when moving pages | 15:03 |
| mecredis_ | Error 503 Service Unavailable | 15:05 |
| mecredis_ | Service Unavailable | 15:05 |
| mecredis_ | Guru Meditation: | 15:05 |
| mecredis_ | XID: 571424192 | 15:05 |
| mecredis_ | Varnish | 15:05 |
| mecredis_ | :/ | 15:05 |
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| mecredis_ | nkinkade: should I talk to you about an issue with the presentation SMW form on wiki? | 15:44 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: Sure. | 15:52 |
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| mecredis_ | so the autocomplete on author | 15:59 |
| mecredis_ | is on the pagenamespace | 15:59 |
| mecredis_ | and it should be on the User: namespace | 15:59 |
| mecredis_ | e.g. when I write Fred Benenson it doesn't work | 15:59 |
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| mecredis_ | but if write User:Fred Benenson it does | 15:59 |
| mecredis_ | the problem is that while the autocomplete works there | 15:59 |
| mecredis_ | the presenter's name then becomes User:User:Fred Benenson | 15:59 |
| mecredis_ | am I making sense? | 15:59 |
| nkinkade | mecredis_: I think so. I know very little about Sematic Forms, but I can take a look at that in a few minutes. | 16:02 |
| mecredis_ | sure | 16:02 |
| mecredis_ | I think its more about Semantic Forms | 16:03 |
| mecredis_ | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/index.php?title=Template:Presentation&action=edit | 16:03 |
| mecredis_ | more specifically this line: | 16:03 |
| mecredis_ | {{#if:{{{presenter|}}}| {{#arraymap:{{{presenter}}}|,|x|[[Author::User:x| ]]| }}| }} | 16:03 |
| mecredis_ | looks like nathany was the author | 16:04 |
| mecredis_ | no biggie | 16:04 |
| mecredis_ | I'll poke around with it later | 16:04 |
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| mecredis_ | weird, moving pages on the wiki seems to be freaking it out | 16:17 |
| mecredis_ | it just hangs and gives me a 503 error | 16:18 |
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| nkinkade | mecredis_ mecredis: There seems to be some strange things happening on the wiki. The same thing happens when pages are deleted: takes a long time and Varnish gives 503 errors. | 16:41 |
| mecredis_ | cool, just so long as its on your radar | 16:41 |
| mecredis_ | it just times out and seems to work | 16:42 |
| nkinkade | http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue423 | 16:42 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: hey, thanks for responding to my email yesterday. Looks like I forgot to reply | 17:24 |
| paroneayea | that list helps | 17:24 |
| nkinkade | No problem. Glad it was of some use. | 17:24 |
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| paroneayea | hm | 17:55 |
| paroneayea | So reading this: http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/irc/cc/%23cc.2009-04-22.log.html | 17:55 |
| paroneayea | it looks like ctypes errors are expected if you're running python2.5 | 17:56 |
| JED3 | correct | 17:56 |
| paroneayea | but trying to get cc.engine working with python2.4 also gives me that error: | 17:56 |
| paroneayea | oh | 17:56 |
| paroneayea | hm, it was trying to install it in my system python apparently. | 17:56 |
| paroneayea | I think I might know how to resolve this | 17:59 |
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| paroneayea | got things to run | 18:09 |
| paroneayea | getting this error when trying to access /license/ though: TraversalError: (<zope.app.publisher.browser.directoryresource.DirectoryResource object at 0xaab326c>, 'cc5') | 18:09 |
| JED3 | hmm, let me look at something real quick | 18:10 |
| JED3 | are you in the trunk? | 18:10 |
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| paroneayea | yeah | 18:11 |
| JED3 | okay, well license/ should be an invalid path now, try "choose" | 18:12 |
| paroneayea | "System error occurred"... same error on the console | 18:12 |
| paroneayea | TraversalError: (<zope.app.publisher.browser.directoryresource.DirectoryResource object at 0xb6377ac>, 'cc5') | 18:13 |
| JED3 | hmm, did you checkout all of the externals? | 18:15 |
| JED3 | cc5 is from the ccwordpress repo | 18:16 |
| JED3 | cc.engine/trunk/cc/engine/skin/resources/cc5 does that path exist? | 18:16 |
| paroneayea | lemme see.. | 18:18 |
| pyrak | shit, a8 is suuuper laggy right now | 18:19 |
| pyrak | (at least, my ssh session is) | 18:19 |
| paroneayea | ah, that's probably the problem | 18:19 |
| paroneayea | that's right, I used git-svn for the checkout | 18:19 |
| JED3 | ahh | 18:19 |
| JED3 | yeah that wont resolve the externals | 18:19 |
| paroneayea | this is why nathan made that deep-git-svn thingy eh | 18:19 |
| paroneayea | uh, hm. | 18:19 |
| JED3 | yup | 18:19 |
| paroneayea | where is that at again? :) | 18:19 |
| JED3 | http://gitorious.org/gsc | 18:20 |
| paroneayea | sweet, I'll give that a try | 18:20 |
| JED3 | lemme know how it works, I have yet to try it out | 18:20 |
| paroneayea | at least I think I understand zc.buildout mostly now | 18:20 |
| paroneayea | I was trying to get it to work inside of virtualenv due to my virtualenv habits, but that turned out to be pretty silly I think :\ | 18:21 |
| JED3 | haha yeah | 18:21 |
| JED3 | I'm not too impressed with the zc.buildout documentation, but its getting better | 18:22 |
| paroneayea | they've got a nice screencast | 18:23 |
| JED3 | yeah I hadn't seen that until yesterday when you mentioned it | 18:23 |
| paroneayea | I like any walkthrough that uses command line tools and emacs instead of slides :) | 18:23 |
| JED3 | agreed | 18:23 |
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| JED3 | pyrak: a8 is slow for me as well | 18:43 |
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| akozak | Bovinity: do we have any high-res versions of the OpenEd logo? | 18:59 |
| Bovinity | akozak: http://creativecommons.org/about/downloads | 18:59 |
| akozak | Bovinity: so if it's not on there, we don't? | 19:00 |
| Bovinity | akozak: my bad, misread (cclearn/opened/). yes, i believe we have a vector, no, it's not on the downloads page. | 19:00 |
| akozak | Bovinity: cool, do you know where to find it? | 19:01 |
| Bovinity | akozak: in your inbox | 19:03 |
| akozak | Bovinity: thanks | 19:03 |
| paroneayea | JED3: so, didn't get gsc working. But now that I'm using straight-up subversion it's working :) | 19:06 |
| JED3 | ha nice, what was the issue with gsc? | 19:06 |
| paroneayea | git.errors.GitCommandError: "['git', 'svn', 'fetch', '-r', '11778'] returned exit status 1" | 19:07 |
| paroneayea | 19:07 | |
| JED3 | hmm | 19:07 |
| paroneayea | maybe I'll investigate more later. I found a couple of other bugs in gsc that are argument related that look like easy fixes | 19:07 |
| paroneayea | for now I just gotta get to picking cc.engine apart | 19:08 |
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| mecredis_ | akozak: around? | 19:25 |
| mecredis_ | have a draft of my preso for tomorrow | 19:25 |
| mecredis_ | I'd like to send you via pdf | 19:25 |
| mecredis_ | gimme another 10 min | 19:25 |
| akozak | mecredis_: I'm here, send it over whenever | 19:31 |
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| mecredis_ | sending | 19:47 |
| mecredis_ | gmail is being slow with attachments | 19:47 |
| mecredis_ | k sent | 19:49 |
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| paroneayea | JED3: so, I'm reading through cc.license.. I have some questions | 21:22 |
| JED3 | ha okay | 21:22 |
| JED3 | i'll do my best to answer them | 21:22 |
| paroneayea | well, I'm curious first of all what the motivation for the interface-based design | 21:23 |
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| JED3 | are you very familiar with Zope? | 21:26 |
| paroneayea | My work involving zope thus far has mostly been debugging zope 2 apps... I'm not sure how much of this is following paradigms common to zope | 21:26 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 21:26 |
| paroneayea | well, | 21:26 |
| paroneayea | kinda. | 21:26 |
| paroneayea | at imaginary landscape I debugged legacy zope apps every now and then | 21:26 |
| JED3 | well i'm not an expert, to any extent | 21:27 |
| paroneayea | zope 2 specifically | 21:27 |
| JED3 | ohh okay, I believe the Interfaces is a convention within Zope3 development | 21:27 |
| paroneayea | ah | 21:27 |
| JED3 | and from what I recall its the only way of defining your objects* <-- unquotable | 21:28 |
| paroneayea | oh | 21:29 |
| paroneayea | huhm | 21:29 |
| paroneayea | so it wasn't as much an application design as it was a "this is how we fit things into the system" design? | 21:30 |
| paroneayea | er | 21:30 |
| paroneayea | that was horribly phrased, apologies | 21:30 |
| JED3 | haha, thats okay | 21:30 |
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| paroneayea | in other words, it's a zope app, and that's the zope way of doing things | 21:30 |
| paroneayea | zope 3, at least | 21:30 |
| JED3 | is there a certain aspect of the interface design in licenses that confuses you? | 21:30 |
| JED3 | yeah thats what i'm led to believe | 21:31 |
| paroneayea | nothing that confuses me specifically yet | 21:31 |
| paroneayea | just want to understand design decisions | 21:31 |
| JED3 | i'm sort of in the same boat as you are. I haven't done much "from the ground up" devel in Zope, and have worked more on scalability and extending with new components | 21:32 |
| paroneayea | heh, okay :) | 21:32 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: the design decisions will be a tough thing to get your hands on :) | 21:32 |
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| paroneayea | :) | 21:33 |
| JED3 | i'm still puzzled on a bunch of different projects | 21:33 |
| paroneayea | it helps when its possible to understand that history though, I think | 21:33 |
| JED3 | I agree | 21:34 |
| JED3 | I find cc.license semi-obtuse | 21:34 |
| nkinkade | cc.license confuses me greatly. | 21:35 |
| paroneayea | I remember that when I worked at imagescape there were a whole ton of decisions made by programmers that no longer worked there. By the end of working there I came to understand the reasons for the design decisions, and I felt like if I had understood them sooner I would have been better able to help migrate things when we went from iscapaste to django. I mean, things went well, but it could have been better | 21:35 |
| paroneayea | heh, semi-obtuse is good phrasing :) | 21:35 |
| JED3 | I've made good sense out of cc.engine just from time and experience but neither are clear | 21:35 |
| Bovinity | at least NY still works here ;) | 21:36 |
| nkinkade | I've always wondered why it takes so much code, a major framework, and lots of complexity to accomplish a seemingly simple thing. | 21:36 |
| JED3 | yes, paroneayea we don't have that problem yet | 21:36 |
| nkinkade | I've always just figured that the task was deceptively complex. | 21:36 |
| JED3 | most of the knowledge base is upstairs in NY | 21:36 |
| paroneayea | Bovinity, JED3: yeah, I'm very greatful of that | 21:36 |
| JED3 | however there are still some confusing paulproteus artifacts lingering :) | 21:36 |
| nkinkade | I trust that paulproteus is a good coder, but yeah, some of his solutions go right over my head ... probably on many levels. | 21:37 |
| JED3 | me too, me too | 21:37 |
| nkinkade | Like cc.engine, I always took it to mean that I just didn't know much about programming and problem solving. | 21:38 |
| akozak | haha | 21:38 |
| nkinkade | You should see the code that sends out the CC Staff call emails and generates the wiki page. | 21:38 |
| JED3 | where is that code btw? | 21:39 |
| nkinkade | There's is of it than you would think. | 21:39 |
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| nkinkade | I don't think it's in any of our repositories. | 21:40 |
| nkinkade | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn/pywikipedia/trunk/ | 21:41 |
| nkinkade | JED3: ^^ | 21:41 |
| nkinkade | That's it. | 21:41 |
| JED3 | ohh okay cool | 21:41 |
| nkinkade | JED3: By the way, if you can figure out how to make it *not* do the breakout groups each week, that would be helpful. :-) | 21:43 |
| JED3 | ha okay, I'm looking at it now | 21:43 |
| nkinkade | http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue416 | 21:43 |
| JED3 | it failed the past 2 weeks right | 21:43 |
| nkinkade | I gave a quick try the other day, but it broke it. | 21:43 |
| paroneayea | assert 'Mike Linksvayer' in result | 21:44 |
| paroneayea | hahaha | 21:44 |
| nkinkade | Wait, I thought it worked this week? | 21:44 |
| paroneayea | that thing is gonna fail if our vp ever leaves, it looks like :) | 21:44 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: haha | 21:44 |
| nkinkade | Yeah. And a few weeks ago if failed because /about/people changed and the scraping he does didn't work. | 21:44 |
| nkinkade | I managed to fix that one though. | 21:44 |
| JED3 | oh wow, he scrapes the about page? | 21:44 |
| nkinkade | But a quick glance didn't tell me how to avoid the breakout groups. | 21:44 |
| Bovinity | it scrapes /about/people? | 21:45 |
| Bovinity | dang | 21:45 |
| JED3 | why not just get the users of teamspace? | 21:45 |
| nkinkade | There must be some way of getting current employees that is more reliable. | 21:45 |
| nkinkade | Don't know what that is right now. | 21:45 |
| JED3 | scraping is a way cooler solution though | 21:46 |
| nkinkade | I'm sure that that is precisely what paulproteus was thinking and would say. | 21:46 |
| JED3 | haha good, then we're on the same page | 21:46 |
| paroneayea | ohhh | 21:46 |
| paroneayea | so that's why I wasn't on the email | 21:46 |
| JED3 | hahah | 21:46 |
| nkinkade | Asheesh was/is a big fan of scraping. | 21:46 |
| paroneayea | I'm not on /about/people/ yet | 21:46 |
| nkinkade | I think he gave a presentation at PyCon or something about web scraping with Python. | 21:47 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: See Bovinity about that. | 21:47 |
| Bovinity | paroneayea: are you official now? | 21:47 |
| JED3 | yeah, it received great reviews | 21:47 |
| paroneayea | Bovinity: yeah | 21:47 |
| Bovinity | paroneayea: plz send bio and photo, then apaprently you'll be on the staff call email too. heh. | 21:47 |
| paroneayea | Bovinity: cool, will do :) | 21:48 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: well, as part of the hiring process nathan and mike did a code review over the phone of a video scraping library I wrote while at the PCF | 21:49 |
| paroneayea | maybe I got hired to be a replacement web scraper :) | 21:49 |
| JED3 | ha, nice | 21:51 |
| nkinkade | http://www.asheesh.org/note/preso/pycon09-scraping-fun.html | 21:54 |
| akozak | paroneayea: have you worked with semantic mediawiki at all? | 21:54 |
| akozak | eventually I'm going to want to try and do data scraping with the data transfer extension | 21:55 |
| JED3 | ha his session involved scraping the Curry menu | 21:56 |
| JED3 | good stuff | 21:56 |
| paroneayea | akozak: I haven't... admittedly, I've never really worked with mediawiki much other than as a user of existing deployments | 21:57 |
| paroneayea | that sounds interesting though | 21:57 |
| * pyrak just wrote a useful shell script! | 21:57 | |
| akozak | paroneayea: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Data_Transfer | 21:57 |
| paroneayea | neat :) | 21:58 |
| akozak | yea, pretty cool | 21:58 |
| akozak | paroneayea: be warned, I might try to hijack some of your time once in a while | 21:59 |
| akozak | feel free to ask nathany before helping me if I do | 21:59 |
| akozak | I have a few pet projects that I'd like a real programmer to look at, like connecting ODEPO (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Data_Transfer) with DiscoverEd (hgttp://discovered.creativecommons.org) | 22:00 |
| akozak | errr | 22:00 |
| akozak | thats the wrong link | 22:00 |
| akozak | http://opened.creativecommons.org/Property:Resource_Feed_URL | 22:01 |
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| akozak | http://opened.creativecommons.org/ODEPO | 22:01 |
| akozak | wow | 22:01 |
| akozak | link fail | 22:01 |
| paroneayea | :) | 22:02 |
| akozak | ok, im out early today, later all | 22:04 |
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| paroneayea | and from what I recall its the only way of defining your objects* <-- unquotable | 22:05 |
| paroneayea | 22:05 | |
| paroneayea | by this do you mean like, sticking them in the ZODB? | 22:05 |
| JED3 | yes | 22:05 |
| paroneayea | ah ok | 22:05 |
| JED3 | are you familiar with Django? | 22:05 |
| paroneayea | JED3: yes, quite :) | 22:06 |
| JED3 | ahh good good | 22:06 |
| JED3 | http://www.lorenzogil.com/blog/2007/09/10/zope3-for-djangoers-part-1-installation/ | 22:06 |
| JED3 | there are 3 parts, pretty good writeup | 22:07 |
| paroneayea | oh awesome | 22:07 |
| paroneayea | thx so much | 22:07 |
| JED3 | no prob | 22:07 |
| JED3 | to me he should have stretched part 2 out, thats the real meat of Zope devel confusion | 22:08 |
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| pyrak | paulproteus, ping (with silly question): | 22:34 |
| pyrak | jswidget/example-web-app/README:13 | 22:34 |
| pyrak | "betta" | 22:34 |
| pyrak | is that a hindi reference? | 22:35 |
| pyrak | (have i asked you this before?) | 22:36 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, i should probably start X browser testing jswidget | 22:39 |
| pyrak | ie: i need to stage somewhere | 22:39 |
| pyrak | api.cc.o/jswidget-testing/ is a reasonable choice? | 22:40 |
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| nkinkade | pyrak: I'm fine with that. | 22:48 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: Alternatively, why don't you just set it up at ~/public_html/jswidget-testing/? | 22:48 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, you mean my local machine? | 22:55 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: I mean on whichever server you want and/or have an account on. | 22:56 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, then what url will i use to query what i put there? | 22:58 |
| pyrak | it should also be noted that jswidget sometimes requires apache config tweaks to work | 22:58 |
| nkinkade | http://a7.creativecommons.org/~nkinkade/ | 22:58 |
| nkinkade | Like that. Anything you put in ~/public_html/ is accesible as /~<username/ | 22:59 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, do i need to restart apache or something? just tried and it didn't work. | 22:59 |
| pyrak | http://a8.creativecommons.org/~pyrak/jswidget-testing | 22:59 |
| nkinkade | http://a8.creativecommons.org/~pyrak/ | 23:00 |
| nkinkade | Maybe that feature isn't on on a8 ... let me see. | 23:00 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, meh, unless you think it's a better idea to use ~/public_html, i'll just go ahead and use api.cc.o/jswidget-testing | 23:01 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: It should work now. | 23:01 |
| pyrak | ah, and it does! | 23:01 |
| pyrak | thanks | 23:01 |
| nkinkade | Just better to keep one-off testing out of the main filesystem so it doesn't get junked up. | 23:02 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, sure, makes sense | 23:02 |
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| Bovinity | nkinkade: shouldn't this work on zupport? http://zupport.creativecommons.org/supporters | 23:33 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: It should, but the CC module probably isn't enabled. | 23:33 |
| nkinkade | That was the case on the live site as well, a fact that I was embarrassed to have Allison point out to me the other day. It had been broken for a while. A testament to the fact that not many people look at it. | 23:34 |
| Bovinity | ah. oops. | 23:36 |
| balleyne | JED3: you wouldn't by any chance have a few minutes for a phone call, would you? | 23:36 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: yeah, that fixed it. thanks. | 23:37 |
| nkinkade | Sorry about that. I forgot to reenable that module when I upgraded. | 23:37 |
| JED3 | sure, pm me your number and I'll call | 23:37 |
| JED3 | or if you prefer we could ip telephony | 23:38 |
| JED3 | we could skype, ekiga, or landline, you choose | 23:40 |
| JED3 | hey pyrak, you have a second? | 23:43 |
| pyrak | JED3, sure | 23:46 |
| JED3 | you're working on cc0 for jswidget right? | 23:51 |
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