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| akozak | Bovinity: What font do you use for the front page banners on cc? | 16:53 |
| Bovinity | akzidenz grotesk for the pngs (wikipedia); helvetica for the html based ones (video library) | 16:54 |
| akozak | ok, thanks | 16:55 |
| akozak | I'm trying to replicate something similar for cclearn | 16:55 |
| akozak | hm, I think replicate something similar is redundant | 16:55 |
| thomg | who's working on ccLearn's page right now? | 16:56 |
| thomg | alex, cool-- thought you might be Ahrash, though I don't think he gets on IRC | 16:57 |
| Bovinity | he doesn't irc | 16:57 |
| akozak | thomg: heya :) | 16:58 |
| akozak | Bovinity: How do you feel re: replacing the map on cclearn page with a banner? | 16:59 |
| Bovinity | akozak: i feel great about it, how does AB feel about that? | 16:59 |
| thomg | what is everybody's role with CC? | 17:00 |
| akozak | Bovinity: In agreement. | 17:00 |
| Bovinity | akozak: just run banners by me (as well as AB, of course) | 17:00 |
| akozak | Bovinity: I'm working on an OpenEd banner, screengrab of a portion of the page in the back and a black opaque text banner in front of it | 17:01 |
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| akozak | Bovinity: emailed banner | 17:27 |
| akozak | draft banner that is | 17:27 |
| akozak | although I just realized it might be too wide | 17:32 |
| akozak | I based the size off of the map div, but that one is set at 62% | 17:32 |
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| mecredis | Bovinity: this a/b video is reallly slow | 18:28 |
| mecredis | but I like it | 18:28 |
| Bovinity | it's a neat intro | 18:28 |
| mecredis | yeah | 18:28 |
| Bovinity | i'm poking around at setting it up for support | 18:28 |
| mecredis | nice | 18:28 |
| mecredis | was going to ask | 18:28 |
| Bovinity | there's a Drupal module | 18:28 |
| mecredis | cool | 18:28 |
| mecredis | we should also think about /choose | 18:29 |
| mecredis | but thats its won beast | 18:29 |
| mecredis | *own | 18:29 |
| Bovinity | one bummer is the Web Optimizer account can only be assoicated to a single google account | 18:29 |
| Bovinity | unlike Analytics | 18:29 |
| mecredis | that is lame | 18:29 |
| mecredis | can we do info@cc or something | 18:29 |
| Bovinity | yeah, we just need a shared login | 18:30 |
| mecredis | press@ even | 18:30 |
| Bovinity | and htat's a google account, not a google apps account | 18:30 |
| mecredis | whatever | 18:30 |
| mecredis | oh I see | 18:30 |
| mecredis | cc_functionary@gmail.com | 18:30 |
| mecredis | haha | 18:30 |
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| mecredis | well I'm happy to help // add experiments when you have it set up Bovinity | 18:40 |
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| Bovinity | ah, webmaster@ - http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Web_Accounts#Google - should work | 18:43 |
| mecredis | nice | 18:43 |
| mecredis | hrm, it seems unhappy | 18:45 |
| mecredis | Website Optimizer: Server problem occurred | 18:45 |
| mecredis | We're sorry, but Website Optimizer experienced a problem. Please tell us about the problem so that we can fix the issue as soon as possible. | 18:45 |
| Bovinity | working fine for me | 18:46 |
| mecredis | weird | 18:46 |
| mecredis | what hapepns when you go to https://www.google.com/analytics/siteopt/preview?account=9998295 | 18:47 |
| Bovinity | the page loads :) | 18:47 |
| Bovinity | probably erroring for you because i'm already logged in | 18:47 |
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| mecredis | ah right | 18:47 |
| mecredis | well I'll let you set up the drupal thing | 18:48 |
| mecredis | maybe I'll try an experiment with copy on the video page | 18:48 |
| Bovinity | on ccorg? | 18:48 |
| mecredis | yeah, though don't have to do it now | 18:48 |
| mecredis | what do you think? | 18:52 |
| Bovinity | what's the conversion goal on teh videos page? | 18:54 |
| Bovinity | do we want to get eyes in front of any specific videos? | 18:54 |
| mecredis | just getting good copy | 18:54 |
| mecredis | but no, no specific video | 18:54 |
| mecredis | I guess its a lot of work | 18:54 |
| mecredis | it'd be great to have tests for each video | 18:55 |
| mecredis | is that feasible? | 18:55 |
| Bovinity | i think so | 18:57 |
| Bovinity | maybe we can try having a variable test that promotes a specific video | 18:58 |
| mecredis | Pick me! Pick Me! | 18:58 |
| Bovinity | then we can track conversions to the video's page, and use analytics to see how long the average view time for the page is | 18:58 |
| mecredis | yeah | 18:59 |
| Bovinity | having a pge of videos is great, but it's a bit imposing when you get there | 18:59 |
| Bovinity | "where do i start?" | 18:59 |
| mecredis | yeah | 19:00 |
| mecredis | maybe we could pick 3 | 19:00 |
| mecredis | and see who wins | 19:00 |
| Bovinity | so if we cycle through "START HERE", it might be an improvement | 19:00 |
| mecredis | yeah | 19:00 |
| mecredis | I see what you're saying | 19:00 |
| mecredis | then we might offer only one | 19:00 |
| mecredis | and cycle it | 19:00 |
| mecredis | between 4-5 | 19:01 |
| Bovinity | yeah | 19:01 |
| Bovinity | or have the page full, but have one cycled at the very top | 19:01 |
| mecredis | yeah | 19:01 |
| mecredis | which we encourage people to watch | 19:01 |
| Bovinity | we can get as detailed as we like with the test variations | 19:01 |
| mecredis | and make it large | 19:01 |
| mecredis | the html that gets cycled can be any thing right? | 19:02 |
| mecredis | so we could put an img in there | 19:02 |
| Bovinity | yeah | 19:02 |
| Bovinity | right, so we could try having an img, or a vid | 19:02 |
| mecredis | the vid might be difficult | 19:02 |
| mecredis | because clicking on it won't be standard browser behavior | 19:02 |
| mecredis | damn you flash | 19:02 |
| Bovinity | yeah... the cilck through conversion is what we're tracking... so, NM about the vid. | 19:03 |
| mecredis | yah | 19:03 |
| Bovinity | but image sizes and copy, definitely | 19:03 |
| mecredis | right | 19:03 |
| mecredis | so maybe we should try A Shared Culture, Wanna Work Together, and Building on the Past | 19:04 |
| mecredis | which I made the top three now | 19:04 |
| mecredis | and we'll make a freeze frame of each of those with some copy | 19:04 |
| mecredis | iterate a large spot at the top | 19:04 |
| Bovinity | yeah | 19:06 |
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| troubador | Hi! I am laying out a magazine, and I'd like to use a CC-BY-SA photo. does this mean the entire magazine would have to be relicensed as CC-BY-SA? | 19:07 |
| troubador | I'm sorry to trouble y'all here, but I've been reading about "derivative works" on creativecommons.org and can't seem to find a clear answer on this. | 19:07 |
| mecredis | Bovinity do we have the WP plugin for optimization installed? | 19:09 |
| Bovinity | no | 19:09 |
| mecredis | ok | 19:09 |
| mecredis | I'll wait till that gets installed | 19:09 |
| Bovinity | after lunch. | 19:10 |
| mecredis | cool | 19:13 |
| mecredis | no rush, just excited | 19:13 |
| mecredis | better living through A/B testing | 19:13 |
| Meteorswarm | troubador: I'm no expert, but I think you would, unless you contacted the owner of the image and arranged an exception with him, like any other copyrighted photo. | 19:14 |
| troubador | Meteorswarm: thanks! But this is confusing. | 19:15 |
| troubador | Wouldn't a photo in a magazine be part of a "collected work"? | 19:15 |
| troubador | That can have works of different licenses? | 19:16 |
| mecredis | troubador: yah, I've heard peoople argue that the article itself should be BY-SA | 19:16 |
| mecredis | but not the larger collection | 19:16 |
| Meteorswarm | Some component definitely has to be BY-SA, though | 19:16 |
| troubador | I thought this was more to protect the photo itself. | 19:16 |
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| troubador | So I could not say, well, I lightened this photo, and now my version is off-limits. | 19:17 |
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| mecredis | troubador: that's my inclination | 19:17 |
| Meteorswarm | that's true, but remixes are also part of it, IMO | 19:17 |
| mecredis | there is a bit of split over what copyleft means for photos | 19:17 |
| mecredis | whether a derivative is created of the photo by putting text around it | 19:17 |
| mecredis | it turns out there's a split circuit decision on it | 19:17 |
| troubador | A legal case, you mean? | 19:18 |
| mecredis | yes | 19:18 |
| mecredis | see http://lawgeek.typepad.com/lawgeek/2004/01/zephoria_kulesh.html | 19:18 |
| troubador | Thanks! | 19:18 |
| Meteorswarm | troubador: to be safe you should contact the artist. He/she may not have a problem with you using the work in this way, or he/she might as for a nominal fee (or they could ask for more, obviously) | 19:19 |
| troubador | So really, anything with SA is pretty much: don't touch unless you can release the entire thing as SA. | 19:19 |
| troubador | Or you can talk to the photographer. | 19:20 |
| mecredis | troubador: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reusing_content_outside_Wikimedia is also of interest | 19:22 |
| mecredis | since so much content is BY-SA | 19:22 |
| troubador | Thanks. | 19:23 |
| troubador | But this is why I'm confused. That page specifically mentions how the GFDL is hard to comply with for books & magazines. | 19:23 |
| pyrak | nkinkade1, ping | 19:24 |
| troubador | But then is very brief about SA (which Wikipedia is moving to, as I understand.) | 19:24 |
| troubador | Maybe this is bc of the requirement to include the whole GFDL license, though. Because the GFDL section also seems to indicate that you _can_ use a photo without making the rest of the book GFDL. | 19:25 |
| troubador | I thought CC-SA was created in part to fix this problem, so journalists and graphic designers could easily use photos. | 19:26 |
| troubador | keeping the photo free, but not having to force their organization to make the entire book/magazine/paper SA. | 19:26 |
| mecredis | troubador: I almost forgot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft#Strong_and_weak_copyleft | 19:26 |
| mecredis | but yes, its a bit of an open question I'm afraid | 19:27 |
| mecredis | despite being relatively straightforward for code | 19:27 |
| Meteorswarm | troubador: the cc-sa section is brief but pretty clear: When re-using the work or distributing it, you must mention the license terms or a link to them. You must make your version available under CC-SA. I guess the argument is where the boundaries of the "version" are | 19:27 |
| nkinkade1 | pyrak: Hi. | 19:27 |
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| pyrak | nkinkade, let's talk nice. | 19:27 |
| pyrak | ionice | 19:27 |
| nkinkade | haha | 19:27 |
| troubador | Meteorswarm: right. | 19:27 |
| nkinkade | What about ionice? It's a great utility. | 19:27 |
| troubador | I'd think the "version" is the photo, or if you lighten it or include it in a montage. | 19:27 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, first, where does jswidget live? | 19:28 |
| pyrak | actually, i suppose that's irrelevant | 19:28 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: On a8, I believe. | 19:28 |
| pyrak | oh, well that's convenient then | 19:28 |
| pyrak | so i'm working on some jswidget stuff | 19:28 |
| pyrak | actually, i think we chatted about this last thurs | 19:28 |
| pyrak | i want to try running the template generator on one of the servers | 19:28 |
| nkinkade | a8:/var/www/api.creativecommons.org/www/jswidget/ | 19:28 |
| pyrak | it will probably take several hours | 19:29 |
| nkinkade | That should be fine. | 19:29 |
| nkinkade | If you think it will stomp the machine's disk i/o, then maybe ionice would be good. | 19:29 |
| nkinkade | But you need to be root to run it. | 19:29 |
| nkinkade | Or have root privileges, that is. | 19:30 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: Feel free to just try it without ionice and see what happens. | 19:30 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, i don't believe that i have sudo on a8 | 19:30 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, u sure? | 19:30 |
| nkinkade | I think that most of a8's traffic is cached, i.e., not much disk i/o. | 19:31 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: Give it a shot without ionice, and just keep an eye on i.creativecommons.org, for example. | 19:31 |
| nkinkade | http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by/3.0/88x31.png | 19:31 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, okay, will do | 19:33 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, shall i push it to the bg and give you a process id, so you can kill it if i get distracted? | 19:34 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: You could run it in a screen session. | 19:34 |
| troubador | Meteorswarm: et al. I'm reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License | 19:34 |
| nkinkade | But either way, I'll have no problem finding the process killing it if necessary. | 19:35 |
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| troubador | The definition of "collection" (1b) seems much closer to a magazine use of a photo then the definition of "adaption". | 19:35 |
| mecredis_ | right | 19:35 |
| mecredis_ | I think you have your answer | 19:35 |
| mecredis_ | but IANAL | 19:35 |
| mecredis_ | unfortunately | 19:35 |
| troubador | Heh, me neither. | 19:36 |
| pyrak | IANAL(Y) | 19:36 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, hm, never used screen | 19:37 |
| mecredis_ | nkinkade: screen just burned me | 19:37 |
| mecredis_ | screenburn | 19:37 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: It's great. Just type screen and press enter. | 19:37 |
| nkinkade | It's a terminal multiplexer with some neat features, like being able to detach from the session, logout and then come back later. | 19:38 |
| nkinkade | Much more useful than &. | 19:38 |
| nkinkade | You don't lose the terminal buffer. | 19:38 |
| troubador | Well, thanks for the help, folks. :) | 19:40 |
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| pyrak | so a commit process is hanging on "Transmitting file data ..." is it a really bad idea to ctrl+c it? | 19:42 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, so do you do most of your command line stuff from within a screen session? | 19:48 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: I'd let the subversion commit go until svn times outs. | 19:48 |
| nkinkade | out | 19:48 |
| nkinkade | But I don't think it would hurt anything to kill it. | 19:49 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, ah, it just gave up | 19:49 |
| pyrak | and then worked just fine | 19:49 |
| nkinkade | But no, I don't do much in screen lately. | 19:49 |
| pyrak | meh | 19:49 |
| nkinkade | I used to use it more. But I always use it when I about to launch some long operation in a remote shell. | 19:49 |
| nkinkade | So that if my connection dies, or I need to logout for some reason the screen session will stay running and I can just reattach to it when I come back. | 19:50 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, can you reattach if your local machine crashes? | 19:51 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: Yes. | 19:51 |
| nkinkade | In a case like that the screen session will think it's still attached, so you have detach it and reattach to it (screen -dr) | 19:52 |
| nkinkade | You can have as many screen session as you like. | 19:52 |
| akozak | It really bugs me that I can't use my cc partner acct in google groups or analytics | 19:56 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, hm, i seem to have been chmodded out of my ability to svn up in the jswidget dir on a8 | 19:57 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: And now? | 19:59 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, fixt. ty | 20:00 |
| pyrak | ok, it's running :/ | 20:06 |
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| nkinkade1 | Whoa ... that python script is CPU hungry. | 20:17 |
| pyrak | nom nom nom | 20:23 |
| mecredis_ | Bovinity: let me know if you get the A/B plugin set up | 20:27 |
| nathany | pyrak: nkinkade1: JED3: tech call, 5 minutes, conference line? | 20:31 |
| JED3 | roger | 20:31 |
| nathany | pyrak, we can call from the green room | 20:31 |
| pyrak | over and out | 20:32 |
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| greg-g | anyone else editing the wiki right now? | 20:44 |
| greg-g | as in, is anyone else ABLE to edit the wiki right now? | 20:44 |
| mecredis_ | You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: | 20:47 |
| mecredis_ | You do not have permission to edit pages in the User namespace. | 20:47 |
| mecredis_ | :/ | 20:47 |
| greg-g | I can't edit any page | 20:50 |
| greg-g | can't even edit my own user page :( | 20:50 |
| greg-g | and of course nkinkade disconnects right before I discover this | 20:50 |
| mecredis_ | yeah, thats where I got that error | 20:50 |
| * greg-g nods | 20:51 | |
| greg-g | well, copying the source and editing locally for now, I suppose | 20:51 |
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| mecredis_ | [[Web integration]]? | 20:53 |
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| greg-g | mecredis_: yeah, working on that | 20:57 |
| mecredis_ | nice | 20:57 |
| greg-g | and the /HowTo | 20:57 |
| mecredis_ | nice | 20:59 |
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| JesseW_elsewhere | nkinkade1: thanks for fixing whatever broke the wiki | 21:57 |
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| nkinkade | JesseW_elsewhere: Hi. | 21:57 |
| nkinkade | It was a slipup with git, that's all | 21:57 |
| nkinkade | git-submodule precisely. | 21:57 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | such things happen -- no worries | 21:57 |
| nkinkade | That "feature" of having git screw your submodules if you add a change with a trailing slash is crazy. | 21:58 |
| nkinkade | But it was an easy fix. | 21:58 |
| nkinkade | JesseW_elsewhere: How does AF looks now? | 21:58 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | nkinkade: much better | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | Also, are you usually in some other irc channel. | 21:59 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | nkinkade: various; none right now because I'm on a different computer | 21:59 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: I and mecredis_ can't edit any wiki pages, including our own userpages | 22:00 |
| mecredis_ | true | 22:00 |
| nkinkade | JesseW_elsewhere: You can find me in here most almost always, except at night and early morning ... if you want to chat about anything. | 22:00 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | greg-g, mecredis : let me look into that; and sorry, of course. | 22:01 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | mecredis: what is your wiki username? | 22:01 |
| * greg-g is Greg.grossmeier | 22:01 | |
| JesseW_elsewhere | I know that ;-) | 22:01 |
| greg-g | heh | 22:02 |
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| JesseW_elsewhere | greg-g: you arn't blocked -- try editing right now and tell me what happens... | 22:02 |
| mecredis_ | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/User:Fred_Benenson | 22:02 |
| mecredis_ | still blocked | 22:03 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | mecredis: checking. | 22:03 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | hm, maybe it's an IP block. I'll remove those and see what happens... | 22:03 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: What's this "I and mecredis_" stuff? | 22:03 |
| mecredis_ | wha wha? | 22:04 |
| mecredis_ | different laptop? | 22:04 |
| mecredis_ | two IRC clients | 22:04 |
| mecredis_ | oh | 22:04 |
| mecredis_ | sorry, question wasn't for me | 22:04 |
| mecredis_ | haha | 22:04 |
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| Bovinity | testers needed | 22:04 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Whatcha got? | 22:04 |
| Bovinity | plz go to http://zupport.creativecommons.org/donate and either click on the $150 "Donate Now" OR one of the other donate buttons... no need to donate | 22:05 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: requires you to accept google cookies | 22:05 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: I suck at grammar? :) | 22:05 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 22:05 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | hm -- all the IP blocks are anon. only, so they shouldn't affect users... | 22:05 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: i realise now that's why it probably didnt work for you (and i had a hosts redirect for something else, whcih broke it for me) | 22:05 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I have to accept Google's cookies in at least one place to work with Google Apps. | 22:05 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | mecredis: What is the exact error message you get? Paste it in here (or on a paste site) | 22:05 |
| greg-g | JesseW_elsewhere: still no go after a logout/login | 22:05 |
| greg-g | JesseW_elsewhere: my error: http://paste.lisp.org/display/84407 | 22:07 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Done. | 22:07 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | greg-g: checking | 22:07 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: did you get a bold or shorter version of the intro text? | 22:07 |
| nkinkade | ... and in goes one more egg to the Google basket. | 22:07 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Regular. Not bold. | 22:08 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | greg-g: ah... hm. That explains a bit. Checking http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Special:ListGroupRights -- looks alright. Odd. | 22:09 |
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| greg-g | well, I'm heading home, ping me with thoughts/suggestions/fixes for the wiki thing. I'll probably be online in a few hours (time for bbq and beers with the neighbors) | 22:10 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | ah. I see I can't edit either. Hm, looks like a problem for nkinkade ... | 22:10 |
| greg-g | heh | 22:10 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | greg-g: enjoy -- thanks | 22:11 |
| nkinkade | Shall I temporarily disable AF, JesseW_elsewhere? | 22:11 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | No, this problem has nothing to do with AF, I'm pretty sure. It's an upgrade problem. | 22:12 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | It looks like the permissions (that which sets out who can edit what -- have gotten screwed up) As an admin, I can't edit them -- but as a Beaurcrat, you should be able to; check what http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Special:ListGroupRights says and see if it lets you change anything | 22:13 |
| Bovinity | mecredis_: http://zupport.creativecommons.org/donate | 22:14 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | ah, and I think I see the problem: there is a Users group *and* a users group (with different captialization); you need to put the "editcontent" permission into the Users group, not the users group... | 22:15 |
| nkinkade | JesseW_elsewhere: It should be fixed now. | 22:15 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | checking. | 22:15 |
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| nkinkade | Sadly, I had accidentally referenced $wgGroupPermissions['users'] .... should have been ['user'] | 22:16 |
| mecredis_ | Bovinity: nice, is this a new proposed design? | 22:16 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | yep, looks fixed. mecredis: is it working for you now? | 22:16 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | nkinkade: gragh -- oops... ;-) | 22:16 |
| mecredis_ | yep, we're good JesseW_elsewhere thanks | 22:16 |
| Bovinity | mecredis_: no, a test for the sake of A/B | 22:16 |
| mecredis_ | ah right | 22:16 |
| mecredis_ | what am I looking for then | 22:16 |
| mecredis_ | or rather what is the swappable text | 22:17 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | mecredis: great, thanks | 22:17 |
| Bovinity | mecredis_: the intro copy may, or may not, have some differences to the live version (bold text, or shorter) | 22:17 |
| mecredis_ | ah I see | 22:17 |
| mecredis_ | let me poke at it a bit | 22:17 |
| Bovinity | mecredis_: just got it running on zupport to make sure it all works out. | 22:17 |
| mecredis_ | nice | 22:17 |
| Bovinity | takes a while for stats to be reported though.. | 22:18 |
| mecredis_ | right. | 22:18 |
| mecredis_ | and if I remember the video right | 22:18 |
| mecredis_ | it will just pick one thing and show that to me over and over again | 22:18 |
| mecredis_ | right? | 22:18 |
| Bovinity | right, unless you clear your cookies | 22:18 |
| Bovinity | carson thought it was IP based... nah, jsut cookie based | 22:19 |
| Bovinity | so you could load another browser and test it again! whee! | 22:19 |
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| mecredis_ | I'll try different browser sessions in a sec | 22:24 |
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| pyrak | nkinkade, yo | 22:51 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, so api.cc.o/jswidget isn't publicly accessible | 22:51 |
| pyrak | perhaps i should have checked this before running the template generator in there | 22:51 |
| pyrak | the good news is the template generating script finished and didnt spit out any errors | 22:54 |
| pyrak | the bad news is that i can't tell whether or not it worked :/ | 22:54 |
| mecredis_ | Bovinity: how many are there? | 22:55 |
| Bovinity | mecredis_: 3 | 22:55 |
| mecredis_ | k | 22:55 |
| mecredis_ | I like it | 22:55 |
| mecredis_ | ! | 22:55 |
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| pyrak | Bovinity, any insight into the above? | 22:56 |
| pyrak | i couldn't find a .htaccess file | 22:56 |
| Bovinity | pyrak: re api.cc.o? | 22:56 |
| pyrak | yes | 22:57 |
| Bovinity | i have 0 idea how any of that is set up | 22:57 |
| pyrak | wait, now i found a .htaccess file | 22:57 |
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| pyrak | nkinkade, actually, ignore everything i just said | 23:04 |
| pyrak | i'm an idiot | 23:04 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: What did you say? | 23:04 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | nkinkade: do you have any idea why deleting pages is so slow? It seems to work, but only after a hideously long time, in which the whole site is unavailable (at least to that browser instance...) I presume it's some kind of cache issue... | 23:07 |
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| nkinkade | JesseW_elsewhere: I'm not sure, but we do have the parser cache disabled. | 23:07 |
| nkinkade | But it's been that way for years. | 23:08 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | hm -- well, deleting pages has been slow the whole time I've been here... | 23:08 |
| nkinkade | But the whole site goes down while it's churning away? | 23:08 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | I typically get the following error message whenever I try to load any pages while waiting to delete things: Error 503 Service Unavailable | 23:09 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | Service Unavailable | 23:09 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | Guru Meditation: | 23:09 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | XID: 1915469113 | 23:09 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | Varnish | 23:09 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | where the XID number varies. | 23:09 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | and it only happens when deleting pages... | 23:10 |
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| nkinkade | That can't be good. | 23:12 |
| nkinkade | It could be a Varnish issue. | 23:12 |
| akozak | we've been getting a lot of varnish errors | 23:12 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | it only happens when deleting pages, so it's not a problem for normal users -- but it sure is a PITA for me... | 23:16 |
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| nkinkade | JesseW_elsewhere: http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue423 | 23:22 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | checking. | 23:24 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | nkinkade: thanks | 23:24 |
| nkinkade | JesseW_elsewhere: Feel free to create an account there and make yourself nosy on that ticket. | 23:25 |
| nkinkade | It may be a few days or a week before I get to it. I've got a few other things that take priority right now. | 23:25 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | grin | 23:26 |
| nkinkade | But then again, if it's a serious impediment to keeping spam down, I'll do it, say, tomorrow. | 23:26 |
| nkinkade | Just let me know ... | 23:26 |
| nkinkade | Your help here is very much appreciated and I'll do whatever I need to to make sure that you are not hampered in preening the wiki. | 23:27 |
| nkinkade | JesseW_elsewhere: ^^ | 23:27 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | It's not a serious impediment; I wrote a script to send the cmds to delete things en mass, so if I find I need to blast a lot, I can and do use that. So there's no hurry at all. | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | You've done this once or twice before, huh? :-) | 23:31 |
| JesseW_elsewhere | well, I'd written part of the script for use on Wikipedia, yes, but I adapted it for use here, too... | 23:35 |
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| JesseW_elsewhere | Someone should look into this, it seems to not be under CC: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Motion_Mountain_-_The_Free_Physics_Textbook | 23:52 |
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