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| ianweller | hi there. who should i talk to about potentially creating some marketing buzz via creative commons about fedora moving all their documentation over to CC BY-SA? | 02:22 |
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| Bovinity | johndoigiii: PING | 18:48 |
| johndoigiii | howdy | 18:48 |
| Bovinity | is your Network work in a state that can be used for screenshots? | 18:48 |
| Bovinity | the board report has fred's mockups | 18:49 |
| Bovinity | something more realistic might be better | 18:49 |
| johndoigiii | ahh okay, well it actually looks identical to his mockups haha | 18:49 |
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| johndoigiii | nonetheless, here you are http://labs.creativecommons.org/~john/ccNetScreenshot.png | 18:53 |
| Bovinity | cool | 18:55 |
| johndoigiii | Bovinity: I will be working on a more realistic "checkout" form on that page which may be available by the EOD | 18:56 |
| johndoigiii | also might have a "campaign log" page up as well | 18:57 |
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| Seddon | anyone able to answer a license compatability question for me? | 19:35 |
| Seddon | no? | 19:40 |
| greg-g | Seddon: ask the question and someone might be able to answer | 19:41 |
| Seddon | is the uk gov PSI click use license compatible with the cc-by-sa license | 19:41 |
| ianweller | could we get a link to the license | 19:42 |
| greg-g | Seddon: what do you intend to do (to answer a somewhat legal question, we need specifics), and yeah, a link to the PSI license. | 19:42 |
| * ianweller is not a lawyer, etc etc | 19:43 | |
| Seddon | well its to do with using crown copyright stuff under a psi license on wikimedia projects | 19:43 |
| * greg-g isn't a lawyer either | 19:43 | |
| Seddon | http://www.opsi.gov.uk/click-use/system/licenceterms/CCWPS03-00.pdf | 19:44 |
| greg-g | Seddon: this might help: http://creativecommons.org/compatiblelicenses | 19:46 |
| Bovinity | it looks similar to BY-SA in principle | 19:47 |
| Seddon | there is nothing listed there | 19:47 |
| Seddon | Bovinity: Indeed, in principle it is, but so is the gfdl in principle | 19:47 |
| Seddon | but the gfdl and cc-by-sa arnt easily interchangable | 19:47 |
| greg-g | and Wikipedia/media doesn't have a policy regarding the PSI/Click Use license, I assume? | 19:48 |
| Seddon | I dont believe so, im part of the UK wikimedia chapter and we are trying to clarify the current status of the psi license | 19:49 |
| greg-g | gotcha | 19:49 |
| Seddon | whether psi stuff can be used on the projects | 19:49 |
| Bovinity | "You must not pass your rights under this Licence to anyone else." is probably enough to make it incompatible | 19:49 |
| Bovinity | ianal, etc, etc. | 19:50 |
| greg-g | Bovinity: yeah, that is a good line, and "You must: 9.1 give accurate information on your Application and let us know if any of these details change;" | 19:51 |
| greg-g | you need to apply to use the work | 19:51 |
| greg-g | Seddon: from the non-lawyers in here, I think you should not allow the use of PSI licensed work | 19:52 |
| greg-g | dang crown-copyright locking up so much stuff </rant> | 19:53 |
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| TDJACR | pyrak: Hi | 20:47 |
| pyrak | TDJACR, orly? | 20:47 |
| pyrak | heh | 20:47 |
| TDJACR | Lol | 20:47 |
| TDJACR | Back to work ;) | 20:47 |
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| johndoigiii | does google search results appear with too much left padding in Firefox3.5 for anyone else? | 22:19 |
| pyrak | johndoigiii, compared with 3.0.11? because i'm getting a kinda silly amount of padding on 3.0.11 right now | 22:22 |
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| johndoigiii | pyrak: well, I'm even seeing it from an upgrade from the latest RC for 3.5 to the final release from this morning | 22:23 |
| johndoigiii | i've comapred it with Safari 4.0.1 and its very noticeably different | 22:24 |
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| pyrak | yeah, i'm getting about something like 3x as much left padding in firefox 3.0 as in opera | 22:26 |
| pyrak | it's an oldish opera, i think | 22:26 |
| pyrak | apparently all the software i run is old | 22:26 |
| pyrak | we don't have any intrepid ibex iso cd's floating around the office, do we? | 22:27 |
| johndoigiii | naa, isnt your machine already running ubuntu? | 22:27 |
| Bovinity | dist-upgrade... | 22:28 |
| johndoigiii | exactly | 22:28 |
| pyrak | yar. i've been told that upgrade from cd is less likely to fail | 22:29 |
| pyrak | also is faster | 22:29 |
| johndoigiii | yeah thats true, I think there is some documentation on it | 22:29 |
| pyrak | but i got nothin' but time | 22:29 |
| pyrak | kinda | 22:29 |
| johndoigiii | for NetworkManager priority | 22:29 |
| Bovinity | it's more likely to fail if you skip a version | 22:30 |
| johndoigiii | yeah, upgrades over the air aren't very reliable in my experience | 22:30 |
| johndoigiii | reliable enough, that is | 22:30 |
| Bovinity | also depends on how hacked up your system is | 22:30 |
| Bovinity | ;) | 22:30 |
| johndoigiii | haha | 22:31 |
| balleyne | pyrak: you can download the iso and mount it at /cdrom (i think, or /media/cdrom), save yourself a disc and avoid the 'live' over-the-air bit | 22:36 |
| Bovinity | keep a cd around to rescue, for sure | 22:38 |
| Bovinity | an upgrade from cd is still prone to the same failure a mirrors based dist-upgrade can have | 22:38 |
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| balleyne | details under Alternate CD/DVD (even the non-disc option): http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading | 22:40 |
| balleyne | yeah, true, that option is more about convenience than anything else | 22:40 |
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| pyrak | dling torrent iso now | 22:48 |
| johndoigiii | pyrak: for your laptop? might want to check out the netbook remix | 22:49 |
| johndoigiii | on 2nd thought, you dont have a netbook do you? | 22:49 |
| pyrak | johndoigiii, narp | 22:51 |
| pyrak | i thought about it for a second, but i think that it would just end up being frustrating | 22:51 |
| pyrak | this is my primary machine, so i don't want the gui to be all stripped down | 22:51 |
| pyrak | what i _do_ kind of want from my gui is tiling windows | 22:52 |
| pyrak | how cool would that be? | 22:52 |
| Bovinity | ask paulproteus about that | 22:52 |
| Bovinity | he has some top tips on that exact topic | 22:52 |
| pyrak | sounds like paulproteus knows everything about everything | 22:53 |
| Bovinity | i think he does | 22:55 |
| johndoigiii | pyrak: tile what sort of windows? if you talking about editors/shells then emacs is an easy solutions | 22:55 |
| johndoigiii | application windows on the other hand...ehh | 22:56 |
| Bovinity | i think he means someting like Awesome WM | 22:56 |
| Bovinity | (i think that's its name) | 22:56 |
| pyrak | there's also that haskell one | 22:56 |
| pyrak | which i tried for a little bit and failed to get good at | 22:56 |
| pyrak | but johndoigiii yeah, tiling within the command line would be useful too | 22:57 |
| pyrak | i want to get good enough at vim to be able to use that | 22:57 |
| johndoigiii | google screen | 22:57 |
| pyrak | turns out that my vim install doesn't support vertical splitting, for some reason | 22:57 |
| Bovinity | i could never get the hang of vim's tiled mode | 22:57 |
| johndoigiii | nor could i | 22:57 |
| Bovinity | http://lesscss.org/ | 22:58 |
| johndoigiii | pyrak: are you using vim-full? | 22:59 |
| pyrak | johndoigiii, not sure | 22:59 |
| pyrak | johndoigiii, guess now | 23:00 |
| pyrak | not* | 23:00 |
| johndoigiii | thats probably what it is then | 23:00 |
| johndoigiii | ubuntu packs vim-tiny | 23:00 |
| johndoigiii | you need apt install vim-full | 23:00 |
| pyrak | installing | 23:01 |
| johndoigiii | Bovinity: are you using less? | 23:02 |
| johndoigiii | lesscss | 23:02 |
| Bovinity | johndoigiii: no, just found out about it... but it looks like it could be super useful | 23:02 |
| johndoigiii | the hex code arithmetic looks awesome | 23:02 |
| Bovinity | especially its --watch mode, to autogenerate css on file save | 23:03 |
| johndoigiii | neat-o | 23:03 |
| johndoigiii | too bad its ruby | 23:04 |
| * pyrak likes | 23:04 | |
| Bovinity | i like ruby | 23:04 |
| * pyrak ducks | 23:04 | |
| Bovinity | ;) | 23:04 |
| johndoigiii | haha | 23:04 |
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| paulproteus | pyrak, You should try awesome. | 23:26 |
| paulproteus | Or xmonad, I suppose. | 23:26 |
| paulproteus | The hard part with awesome is learning the key bindings. | 23:26 |
| paulproteus | To that extent, carry around a piece of paper with the ones you need on it, and dedicate 30 minutes to an hour playing with it. | 23:26 |
| paulproteus | Combine it with GNOME so you can still have a dock. | 23:27 |
| pyrak | paulproteus, you recommend awesome over xmonad? | 23:31 |
| pyrak | fwiw, xmonad is the haskell one i was thining of, which i tried once but gave up on as soon as i failed to figure out how to pull up the network manager | 23:32 |
| pyrak | but i suppose if i combine with gnome, that won't be an issue | 23:32 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, either way, combine with GNOME. | 23:34 |
| paulproteus | Don't fight the power, make it work for you. | 23:35 |
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