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| nkinkade | nathany: Do we have any policy about who can and can't get a <ctry code>.creativecommons.org site on our WP-mu site? CC Turkey would like to have one, but they aren't launched. I don't see a problem, but just wanted to make sure. | 16:03 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: just check with michelle to make sure they have an MOU | 16:05 |
| nathany | if they do, they can have one | 16:05 |
| nkinkade | She's the one who proposed it. | 16:05 |
| nathany | then it's fine with me :) | 16:06 |
| nkinkade | I'll double check that they have an MOU. | 16:06 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i don't particularly care about the MOU, I just know it's an early, formal step in the process | 16:06 |
| nkinkade | Good. Thanks. | 16:06 |
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| Kissaki | with by-nc, does non-commercial only disallow direct sale and editing for commercial use? Or also disallow use in a commercial environment? | 16:41 |
| Kissaki | eg, Web-Interface licensed under cc by-nc, can a company use the Interface for it's clients who rent a server/something else where they also get access to the interface? | 16:42 |
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| nkinkade | Kissaki: There's no clear answer to that question. | 17:19 |
| Kissaki | oh | 17:19 |
| nkinkade | The licenses state that the "primary motivation" (or some working like that) cannot be commercial. | 17:20 |
| nkinkade | What exactly that means is very ambiguous. | 17:20 |
| nkinkade | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/NC | 17:20 |
| nkinkade | There's a study underway. | 17:20 |
| Kissaki | ok, thank you | 17:20 |
| nkinkade | You can search the CC blog for more information about he study. You could probably even search Google for something like "creative commons nc study" or something similar. | 17:21 |
| nkinkade | Basically, use your best judgement. If you're in doubt contact the copyright holder, or else look for works with a more permissive license. | 17:21 |
| Kissaki | well, I | 17:22 |
| Kissaki | well, I'm the holder, so I wondered :P | 17:22 |
| nkinkade | johndoigiii: Does bin/paster on a7 do anything with email? | 17:25 |
| nkinkade | There is something on a7 that is trying to send mails about every 3 seconds but is trying to send malformed emails and postfix is rejecting them. | 17:25 |
| nkinkade | The logs are piled up with rejections from Postfix. | 17:26 |
| nkinkade | I'm not 100% sure yet, but it seems as if the culprit may be cc.engine. | 17:26 |
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| nkinkade | Kissaki: In that case you could perhaps indicate in your license marking or somewhere what types of usage you would personally consider to be commercial. | 17:28 |
| nkinkade | It may or may not be legally binding, but at least you could disambiguate what you personally would consider commercial, and somebody would probably appreciate that. | 17:29 |
| Kissaki | yeah | 17:29 |
| Kissaki | thanks for the info :) | 17:29 |
| nkinkade | np | 17:29 |
| nkinkade | nathany: ^^ about paster above??? | 17:30 |
| nkinkade | Any input. | 17:30 |
| Kissaki | I'll see about that, or if I don't even care at all | 17:30 |
| nathany | nkinkade: there's a feature that allows people to email themselves the copy-and-paste HTML | 17:32 |
| nathany | perhaps someone tried to send the message to a bogus address? | 17:33 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Does it never give up trying to send? | 17:34 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i don't think it does retry | 17:34 |
| nathany | nkinkade: which log do you see the error in? | 17:34 |
| nkinkade | nathany: a7:/var/log/mail.log | 17:35 |
| nathany | nkinkade: oh, a7.... i was thinking on the production site | 17:36 |
| nathany | let me look at that | 17:36 |
| nkinkade | But it's a vague error with no indication about precisely where the connection came from other than 127.0.0.1 | 17:36 |
| nkinkade | It's on the staging install which is why I tried to get johndoigiii first. | 17:36 |
| nkinkade | I used netstat to find that past was one process that was accessing :25 on localhost. | 17:37 |
| nkinkade | It could be something else. | 17:37 |
| nathany | nkinkade: the staging instance *does* do retry | 17:37 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i just killed the two messages in the queue, restarted the processs | 17:37 |
| nkinkade | nathany: So cc.engine maintains it's own queue? | 17:38 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yes, it uses a queue so that sending the mail is done asynchronously | 17:39 |
| nkinkade | It's not a big deal, but it does make it hard to find other useful entries in the mail.log among all the thousands of other bogus lines. | 17:39 |
| nkinkade | Ah. | 17:39 |
| nkinkade | I'm not sure it needs to try more than a few times, certainly not indefinitely. | 17:39 |
| nathany | nkinkade: http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue378 | 17:40 |
| nkinkade | If postfix rejects it once then it's not likely it will accept it on subsequent attempts. | 17:40 |
| nkinkade | Thanks. It might also be good to improve that by only trying to send the mail some finite amount of times before just giving up and mailing webmaster@ or something like that. | 17:41 |
| nathany | nkinkade: all cc.engine needs to do is validate the address; postfix will handle other failures | 17:43 |
| nathany | ie, DNS lookup, rejected, etc -- since postfix accepts and delivers asynchronously as well, IIRC | 17:43 |
| nkinkade | Yes, that's probably true ... but if Postfix rejects the mail for any reason we don't foresee then it would be nice if cc.engine didn't keep trying forever. | 17:43 |
| nkinkade | Should I assign that ticket you made to johndoigiii? | 17:44 |
| nathany | no; johndoigiii has things on his plate right now... i primarily created it as a stake in the ground (hence the "wish" priority) | 17:44 |
| nkinkade | Understood. | 17:45 |
| nathany | nkinkade: also, it only impacts staging at this point -- production delivers async | 17:46 |
| nathany | er, production delivers synchronously | 17:46 |
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| johndoigiii | nathany: how critical is it that we have this globe icon on the language selector, has that suggestion came and gone by this iteration? | 18:13 |
| nathany | johndoigiii: i think it's in the "would be nice" category -- we need some way to indicate that these are translations | 18:14 |
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| nathany | (and i like that it's subtle and somewhat de-emphasizes the list :) ) | 18:14 |
| johndoigiii | I agree, I like the icon personally, but I am having a tough time getting it to fit properly in the small space that the sidebar provides | 18:15 |
| nathany | width wise? | 18:15 |
| johndoigiii | I could resize the whole sidebar altogether since we are using a completely different template altogether | 18:15 |
| johndoigiii | yeah | 18:15 |
| nathany | why don't you publish it with a semi-borked width and Bovinity and i can take a look | 18:16 |
| johndoigiii | alrighty | 18:16 |
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| Bovinity | indeed | 18:17 |
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| Bovinity | nathany: are you watching meta hitler over there | 20:56 |
| nathany | yes | 20:56 |
| Bovinity | nathany: http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/2009/05/19/keyboard-cat-on-the-daily-show/ | 21:01 |
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| Bovinity | keyboards at dawn! | 21:03 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Just noticed this in the logs for a5: WARNING: Segmentation Faults in these executable: paster : 2 Time(s) | 21:45 |
| nkinkade | It may be nothing, but I mention it just in case it could have something to do with last night. | 21:46 |
| nkinkade | I'll find out when. | 21:46 |
| nathany | nkinkade: great | 21:46 |
| nkinkade | nathany: There is actually some interesting stuff in a5:/var/log/kern.log ... paster seg faulted right around the time a5 went down last night. | 21:48 |
| nkinkade | There is some backtrace info in the log, but not the typical python backtrace, though it may still hint something to you. | 21:48 |
| nathany | nkinkade: can you pastebin/email it to me? | 21:49 |
| nkinkade | Yeah. One second. | 21:49 |
| nkinkade | nathany: http://pastebin.com/d780a50 | 21:52 |
| nkinkade | That mess of backtrace is the last thing in the log before the Linux kernel was coming back up from your reboot. | 21:52 |
| nkinkade | So it seems nearly certain the two were related in some way. | 21:52 |
| nathany | two lines in that seem interesting (but not necessarily controllable by us) | 21:53 |
| nathany | # | 21:53 |
| nathany | kernel BUG at mm/rmap.c:673! | 21:53 |
| nathany | # | 21:53 |
| nathany | May 27 22:19:09 a5 kernel: [494354.530993] invalid opcode: 0000 [2] SMP | 21:53 |
| nathany | # | 21:53 |
| nathany | May 27 22:19:09 a5 kernel: [494354.531072] | 21:53 |
| nathany | # | 21:53 |
| nathany | May 27 22:19:09 a5 kernel: [494354.535460] Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed! | 21:53 |
| nathany | (er, more than two | 21:53 |
| nathany | ) | 21:53 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: ping | 22:11 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Hi. | 22:11 |
| nathany | so i'm trying to wrap up this co-ment deployment | 22:11 |
| nathany | i'm beginning to think it's not worth trying to put it on anything other than it's own vhost | 22:12 |
| nathany | the paths to css/images/etc are all baked into the templates | 22:12 |
| nathany | (this is probably a case of "well, it works for us; that's our primary concern") | 22:12 |
| nkinkade | Hmmm. | 22:12 |
| nkinkade | I guess we could just stick at co-ment.creativecommons.org. | 22:13 |
| nathany | yeah, i suppose so | 22:13 |
| nkinkade | Does that sound like the best name? | 22:13 |
| nathany | for now at least | 22:13 |
| nathany | can you add the DNS entry point it @ a7? | 22:13 |
| nathany | i'll create the /var/www structure | 22:13 |
| nkinkade | Or we could just use the co-ment.net site instead. :-) | 22:13 |
| nathany | and vhost defn | 22:13 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: heh --- yeah, i thought about that, but i think we want more control over archiving/maintaining the history (since we may use this for the license porting process in the future) | 22:14 |
| nkinkade | Okay, I wasn't sure what the future of it might be. | 22:14 |
| nkinkade | So I'll setup DNS, and you'll do the Apache stuff? | 22:14 |
| nathany | yeah | 22:14 |
| nathany | yup | 22:14 |
| nathany | thanks | 22:14 |
| nkinkade | nathany: co-ment.creativecommons.org should resolve to a7 now. | 22:16 |
| nathany | nkinkade: thanks | 22:16 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: so the basic deployment is working... | 22:32 |
| nkinkade | Cool. | 22:33 |
| nathany | i may import the sources into git so we can track some local changes and make our deployment a little more sane | 22:33 |
| nkinkade | Do I take it from here? | 22:33 |
| nathany | i think i've got it for the moment | 22:33 |
| nkinkade | Or is there anything else that really needs to be done? | 22:33 |
| nathany | nkinkade: we'll need to customize a few templates, add a TOS, etc | 22:33 |
| nathany | that's why i'm thinking i may back up and import into VCS | 22:34 |
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| nathany | (that, plus we need to make our sources available since it's AGPL | 22:34 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Do I have any kind of access to the Google App you made for cc-openid? | 22:52 |
| nathany | nkinkade: not at the moment; i can make you a developer if you like | 22:53 |
| nkinkade | I may or may not need it, but I'd like to take a peek and see how it's setup. | 22:53 |
| nkinkade | Did you create it with you CC GApp account? | 22:53 |
| nathany | i don't know what that question means | 22:54 |
| nathany | i signed up for app engine with a google account | 22:54 |
| nkinkade | You can create apps using your normal Gmail login and also apps with your CC Google Apps account. | 22:54 |
| nathany | nkinkade: ah | 22:54 |
| nkinkade | That is I just logged into the App Engine at http://appengine.google.com/a/creativecommons.org | 22:54 |
| nathany | no, i used my gmail account -- you have to confirm a unique phone number | 22:54 |
| nathany | (to activate an account) | 22:55 |
| nathany | nkinkade: right... i can make you a developer on it... one second | 22:55 |
| nkinkade | I wonder if that would have been necessary with your CC acct? | 22:55 |
| nkinkade | Thanks. | 22:55 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yes, it is | 22:55 |
| nathany | (and it won't let me since i've already used that phone #) | 22:55 |
| nkinkade | So now Google's got your phone number, too. :-) | 22:55 |
| nkinkade | What don't they have? | 22:55 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i just sent you an email invitation | 22:57 |
| nathany | (to be a developer) | 22:57 |
| nkinkade | Thanks. | 22:57 |
| nathany | i'm trying to remember where i put the code... | 22:58 |
| nathany | nkinkade: oh, right, i need to push it to git yet | 22:58 |
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