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| nathany | nkinkade1: do you know what table in mediawiki holds the page contents? | 16:53 |
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| nathany | (i'm trying to figure out where that link is that's triggering the spam filter) | 16:53 |
| nkinkade1 | nathany: It's not the table "page"? | 16:53 |
| nathany | nkinkade1: that's where i looked first; don't see any text-like columns there | 16:54 |
| nkinkade1 | I'm looking at getting the Cite extension working so that the <ref> works again. | 16:54 |
| nathany | nkinkade1: it's in the "text" table, FWIW | 16:59 |
| nkinkade1 | Ah, I guess that's good to know. I feel like I've been down that road before. | 16:59 |
| nathany | yeah, also http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout is handy | 17:02 |
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| nathany | nkinkade1: mysql on a7 seems to be getting quite a thrashing... i wonder what's up | 17:38 |
| Bovinity | nathany: wiki login issue fixed. | 17:39 |
| nathany | (maybe just normal usage...) | 17:39 |
| Bovinity | (proper fixed) | 17:39 |
| nathany | Bovinity: awesome | 17:39 |
| nkinkade1 | nathany: Where are you seeing that? | 17:39 |
| nathany | nkinkade1: wiki seems slow, top shows it using lots of CPU | 17:39 |
| nathany | (maybe i'm drawing incorrect conclusions) | 17:39 |
| nkinkade1 | Maybe not. | 17:40 |
| nkinkade1 | I have this sense that a7 is usually quite loaded, yet it's not that high in actual bytes. | 17:40 |
| nathany | yeah | 17:40 |
| nkinkade1 | Bovinity: What's that local branch called "remote" in the cc wiki skin? | 17:43 |
| nkinkade1 | What that a mistake? | 17:43 |
| Bovinity | looks like a mistake | 17:43 |
| nkinkade1 | I'll delete it. | 17:44 |
| Bovinity | looking through my term log, i don't think i did it | 17:44 |
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| nkinkade1 | Bovinity: on your working copies of the cc wiki skin you should start push to the cc5 remote. | 17:52 |
| nkinkade1 | branch | 17:53 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade1: got it! | 17:54 |
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| Bovinity | nathany: sins or skins? :P | 17:57 |
| nathany | Bovinity: sins | 17:57 |
| nathany | it's not you | 17:57 |
| Bovinity | i know | 17:57 |
| Bovinity | the templates could go either way | 17:57 |
| nkinkade | Load averages are much higher on a7 than any of the other servers, yet it servers up much less bytes than some of the others. | 17:58 |
| nkinkade | http://a6.creativecommons.org/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=15&rra_id=all | 17:58 |
| nkinkade | I'm going to look into re-enabling APC cache again. | 17:58 |
| nkinkade | Maybe whatever bug was causing logins to fail on the wiki has been fixed in the newer version of APC or MW. | 17:59 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Yeah, MySQL seemed abnormally busy ... I restarted it a while ago and things seem back to normal. | 18:19 |
| nkinkade | I also re-installed APC PHP cache, so hopefully we'll get some benefit from that. | 18:19 |
| nkinkade | (without login problems) | 18:19 |
| nathany | nkinkade: awesome | 18:20 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: There is some un-rendered text on this page: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Case_Studies/SomeRightsReserved | 18:31 |
| nkinkade | ... [[Description:: | 18:31 |
| nkinkade | Seems like a Semantic Forms things, does anything occur to you immediately? | 18:31 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i'm taking a look... | 18:32 |
| nkinkade | It's the text in the "One line description of work" text box. | 18:32 |
| nathany | yeah | 18:33 |
| nkinkade | Figured I'd bounce it off you before trying to find the solution . | 18:33 |
| nathany | nkinkade: iirc either a)you can't have embedded wiki text or b) that changed and now you have to re-enable it specifically | 18:33 |
| nathany | i'm trying to find the correct docs | 18:33 |
| nathany | nkinkade: see http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Configuration#smwgLinksInValues | 18:35 |
| nathany | we can give it a try | 18:35 |
| nathany | (enabling that) | 18:35 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: That seems to have fixed it. I guess we can leave it like that and see what happens. | 18:39 |
| nkinkade | Thanks. | 18:39 |
| nathany | sure | 18:39 |
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| nkinkade | nathany_: Regarding the import of contacts into CiviCRM ... how much work should I be doing to clean up the data as opposed to the people giving us the data? | 22:13 |
| nkinkade | Should we tell people the parameters and leave the burden on them to give use the data in a usable format? | 22:14 |
| nkinkade | Or do we take it as it is and do a lot of manual, time consuming manipulation? | 22:14 |
| nathany_ | nkinkade: I suppose the answer is "it depends" | 22:29 |
| nathany_ | is there a specific case I can comment on? | 22:29 |
| nathany_ | I'm not opposed to doing *some* manipulation (ie, joining columns together for the notes field, perhaps) | 22:29 |
| nathany_ | but would like to avoid doing things that may can false ambiguities (ie, processing names) | 22:29 |
| nkinkade | The file that Eric shared with us. | 22:29 |
| nkinkade | I'd like to use CiviCRM's builtin import interface ... it does duplicate checking and all that, and who knows what other little things. | 22:30 |
| nkinkade | His file is ostensibly okay, but on closer inspection it'll take a bit of manipulation to actually get in shape. | 22:31 |
| nkinkade | * email addresses can't have the angle brackets. | 22:31 |
| nathany_ | so I'm +1 on using the built-in importer when possible (it just sounds saner) | 22:31 |
| nkinkade | * You can't have 2 email address in the same field. | 22:31 |
| nkinkade | * A couple of the fields have no possible match in the database | 22:32 |
| nathany_ | can the importer handle multiple email addresses (if they're not in the same field)? | 22:32 |
| nkinkade | I doubt it. | 22:32 |
| nkinkade | The imported is fairly nice, but it's not a terribly complex things that allows for all sorts of exceptions. | 22:33 |
| nathany_ | right | 22:33 |
| nkinkade | *importer | 22:33 |
| nathany_ | i don't have the sheet open in front of me -- the fields that can't be handled at all are the ones we'll need to pay closest attention to | 22:33 |
| nathany_ | ie, do they get shoved into notes? (and can the importer do that?) | 22:34 |
| nkinkade | So Eric's list isn't that long and I could clean it up sufficiently in about 30 minutes, but what about others who may have really long lists that are a total caos of nonstandard fields and data? | 22:34 |
| nathany_ | i'm not sure anyone has a list longer than eric's | 22:34 |
| nkinkade | I think I may be able to shove them all into Notes. | 22:34 |
| nathany_ | most people aren't maintaining a formal list | 22:34 |
| nathany_ | so i doubt we'll have tons of imports to do | 22:34 |
| nkinkade | The other thing that makes it somewhat trickier is the way CiviCRM handles orgs and individuals. | 22:35 |
| nathany_ | right; they're two records, correct? | 22:35 |
| nkinkade | YOu create one, then the other, then create a relationship between them. | 22:35 |
| nathany_ | can the importer handle that? | 22:35 |
| nathany_ | (doing that automagically) | 22:35 |
| nkinkade | I think I can achieve that with Eric's list by actually running the same list through twice. | 22:35 |
| nathany_ | heh | 22:35 |
| nathany_ | ok, so why don't you send eric and i a list of the fields that don't match cleanly | 22:36 |
| nkinkade | In any case, I just wanted to get a sense for how much time you wanted me to spend cleaning up other's people's data. | 22:36 |
| nathany_ | we'll see if they're appropriate for shoving into notes or if we need to do sometihng different | 22:36 |
| nathany_ | i think for this first one we can spend some time on it | 22:36 |
| nathany_ | sort of a courtesy for them going first and being the guinea pigs, so to speak | 22:36 |
| nkinkade | That makes sense. | 22:36 |
| nkinkade | I'll just ahead and add those few non-standard fields to notes and let it go at that for now. | 22:36 |
| nathany_ | I think Joi is the only other person who has a formal list and he's keeping his in a database so we should be able to dump it/import it easier | 22:36 |
| nkinkade | When it's done I'll show Eric the results. | 22:37 |
| nathany_ | ok; are you going to do this on zupport? | 22:37 |
| nkinkade | I find that when you give people reasonable suggestions, they are apt to agree. | 22:37 |
| nathany_ | :) | 22:37 |
| nkinkade | Problem is, those suggestions generally require more work, and a perhaps non-standard setup. | 22:37 |
| nathany_ | nkinkade: so are you going to import into zupport first as a test? | 22:38 |
| nkinkade | Sort of like with the CiviCRM donation reports. | 22:38 |
| nathany_ | :) | 22:38 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, zupport first. | 22:38 |
| nathany_ | (in case we need to retool) | 22:38 |
| nathany_ | great | 22:38 |
| nkinkade | They said: we need x, y and z. | 22:38 |
| nkinkade | I said: that doesn't totally make sense, don't you really need x, y, z, a, b, c, d, e, f and g, too? | 22:39 |
| nathany_ | lol | 22:39 |
| nkinkade | And they said: Well, you're right! Do those too! | 22:39 |
| nkinkade | And I though: fuck me. | 22:39 |
| nkinkade | I should have kept my mouth shut. | 22:39 |
| nathany_ | that'll teach you to be helpful ;) | 22:39 |
| nkinkade | Same thing with the import of the data. | 22:39 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 22:39 |
| nkinkade | People are frequently content with substandard setups until you educate them otherwise. | 22:40 |
| nathany_ | yeah | 22:40 |
| nathany_ | ok, i need to do some offline stuff.. thanks for looking into this | 22:40 |
| nkinkade | Then their vision expands ... scope creep ensues. | 22:40 |
| nathany_ | :) | 22:40 |
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