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| Bernardo | Hello everyone! When attributing a work, is it necessary to name the version of the license or is it enough to state the name and provide a general link to the license? | 10:26 |
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| Bernardo | noone here? | 10:51 |
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| linuksamiko | Hello! I've got a question about cc. I found a picture attribution sharealike (austria) but my document will be licensed under attribution sharealike (germany). Can I use it? | 10:59 |
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| Mike_H | Does anyone from CC Danmark come here? | 16:10 |
| Mike_H | paulproteus: :) | 16:15 |
| Mike_H | I haven't talked to you in a while | 16:16 |
| Mike_H | are you still at UNC> | 16:16 |
| Mike_H | ? | 16:16 |
| mlinksva | Mike_H: i don't know that anyone from cc-dk is on irc. paulproteus is probably not awake yet | 16:21 |
| Mike_H | at 12 p.m.? | 16:21 |
| Mike_H | Is he not in North Carolina anymore? | 16:21 |
| Mike_H | hm, anyway | 16:22 |
| Mike_H | mlinksva: Do they have their own chat room or network or anything like that? Someone from CC Danmark sent a letter to our organization, I guess they're networked now. | 16:22 |
| Mike_H | and I'd rather do it in real time than e-mail, because I hate waiting. :P | 16:22 |
| mlinksva | Mike_H: I don't know | 16:24 |
| mlinksva | http://creativecommons.org/international/dk | 16:25 |
| Mike_H | oh, I didn't even think to look there | 16:25 |
| Mike_H | let me see | 16:25 |
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| Mike_H | yeah, there's his name all right, and an e-mail | 16:25 |
| Mike_H | :| | 16:25 |
| mlinksva | i don't know that paulproteus ever was in north carolina, but maybe i missed something | 16:26 |
| mlinksva | northern california, yes | 16:26 |
| Mike_H | mlinksva: maybe I'm mixing things up, but I thought he worked with UNC's ibiblio program | 16:26 |
| Mike_H | I just assumed everyone in that chat room was at UNC :) | 16:27 |
| WishMasterNND | Hello everyone, there is a new version of LibreBox available: http://nn-d.de/librebox/ Check out the demo with ccREL here http://nn-d.de/librebox/demo1.html and the demo with LibreBox's own tagging here: http://nn-d.de/librebox/demo2.html | 16:27 |
| mlinksva | Mike_H: no, he (and i and several others here) work for creative commons. maybe you got that impression because CC uses mailing lists hosted at ibiblio | 16:28 |
| Mike_H | perhaps | 16:28 |
| Mike_H | It was two years ago | 16:28 |
| Mike_H | a lot has happened since then :) | 16:28 |
| mlinksva | WishMasterNND: demo1.html is only sort of RDFa. did you see the tutorial link I posted on FC-discuss? | 16:30 |
| nathany | WishMasterNND: you can also use RDFa to talk about works that someone else created instead of trying to create an entirely new format | 16:32 |
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| WishMasterNND | mlinksva: Do you mean http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/primer/#id0xaf8c69a0 ? | 16:32 |
| mlinksva | and i don't mean to be harsh, but demo2.html's use of a rel value is bogus and positional meaning is just totally wrong | 16:33 |
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| mlinksva | WishMasterNND: yes that's what i mean | 16:33 |
| WishMasterNND | Well, the ccREL version does exactly this, doesn't it? | 16:33 |
| mlinksva | ccREL == RDFa | 16:33 |
| WishMasterNND | nathany: But the other version is easier if you want to integrate it with an existing site or CMS. | 16:34 |
| mlinksva | it looks like it uses class="librebox-subject" to do what should be done with about | 16:34 |
| nathany | WishMasterNND: i suppose, but who cares; it's never going to be more useful than for librebox... using something like RDFa (even if a slightly higher barrier to entry) means that others can take advantage of that information | 16:35 |
| nathany | if you only care about making a cool popup box, by all means continue | 16:35 |
| nathany | :) | 16:35 |
| WishMasterNND | nathany: If you don't like the second version, you could also use the ccREL one, couldn't you? | 16:35 |
| nathany | WishMasterNND: true; I suppose I object to having the second version at all :) | 16:36 |
| mlinksva | and the ccREL version is only halfway there :) | 16:36 |
| WishMasterNND | mlinksva: I think the idea behind about is a little different because it provides an URI while class="librebox-subject" prevents an actual object from being removed. | 16:37 |
| WishMasterNND | What do you mean by that? | 16:37 |
| mlinksva | non-technical feedback -- you're probably going to get some negative vibes from some for using by-nc-nd as an example of 'libre' | 16:37 |
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| WishMasterNND | Well, I know, by-sa is the only licence accepted by the FSF (and it's the licence I'll use for the LibreBox artwork), but I love the picture^^ If you have a better one, I'd be happy to exchange it. | 16:38 |
| WishMasterNND | But what do you mean by "only halfay there"? | 16:39 |
| nathany | WishMasterNND: I think the thing that's a little strange about the ccREL version is that when you activate librebox it removes the RDFa from the DOM | 16:39 |
| nathany | when I look at the triples before activating it looks exactly right | 16:39 |
| nathany | when I look at the triples after activating, they're missing (so maybe you're doing DOM manipulation?) | 16:39 |
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| nathany | i think the ccREL version is on the right track completely :) | 16:40 |
| mlinksva | WishMasterNND: by is also accepted | 16:40 |
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| WishMasterNND | nathany: Sure, everything within the <span class="librebox"> except for all objects tagged with class="librebox-subject" are removed. | 16:40 |
| mlinksva | WishMasterNND: maybe i misunderstood why class="librebox-subject" is present | 16:41 |
| nathany | WishMasterNND: yuck; so if I use librebox that means my RDFa isn't accessbile to in-browser plugins like bookmarklets or extensions | 16:41 |
| mlinksva | it would be good to also add about="image url" | 16:41 |
| johndoigiii | Mike_H: if its any consolation, I'm from NC State :) | 16:42 |
| johndoigiii | a far superior university IMO lol | 16:42 |
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| WishMasterNND | nathany: What do you propose then? The problem is that the ccREL things look ugly and the original intention of LibreBox was to pretty it up ;) | 16:42 |
| Mike_H | johndoigiii: :P | 16:42 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Would you be opposed to my creating a new email group something like tech@(cc).org that went to you, me, paulproteus and johndoigiii? | 16:43 |
| WishMasterNND | mlinksva: This class is used to prevent an object to be removed. But of course, the object wouldn't have to be within the librebox tag at all (though I am thinking of adding another way of showing the licencing information: an on-hover overlay for images where this would be needed). | 16:44 |
| nathany | WishMasterNND: I'm not sure how I'd fix it in this particular case but if you still have links for the license, etc you can just make sure they retain their RDFa attributes; maybe this is "easy" if you move elements instead of adding/deleting? | 16:44 |
| nathany | just a thought | 16:44 |
| nathany | nkinkade: no objections | 16:44 |
| nkinkade | We've been using webmaster for that, but it occurs to me that mlinksva and Bovinity don't necessarily need to get everything that might pertain to tech. | 16:44 |
| WishMasterNND | But where should I move them to? | 16:44 |
| * WishMasterNND is away for a little while | 16:44 | |
| nkinkade | Unless they want to, that is. mlinksva, Bovinity: thoughts? | 16:44 |
| nkinkade | If so, then we'd have to add johndoigiii to webmaster@. | 16:45 |
| nathany | WishMasterNND: you still have all the same information in your popup box; why wouldn't they just be moved to the HTML that represents that? | 16:45 |
| mlinksva | i know how to use delete key, but if you want a new alias i don't care either | 16:45 |
| nathany | (note that I have no idea how you're doing this behind the scenes) | 16:45 |
| mlinksva | btw i think the alias 'software' already exists | 16:45 |
| mlinksva | truly doesn't matter to me | 16:45 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: i don't mind receiving those; also delete key | 16:45 |
| nathany | nkinkade: we can either add johndoigiii to webmaster, add you, paulproteus, johndoigiii to software or both | 16:46 |
| nathany | probably both | 16:46 |
| nathany | WishMasterNND: i see the content is still there in the lbox div | 16:46 |
| nathany | wrt in browser software visibility isn't the issue, DOM representation is | 16:47 |
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| nathany | (although personally I think having to move my mouse to see what the license is is rather unattractive to me) | 16:47 |
| mlinksva | how do i unsubscribe from this channel? | 16:48 |
| mlinksva | haha | 16:48 |
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| robmyers_ | libre.fm | 17:18 |
| robmyers_ | erk | 17:18 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: are/did you make those proposed changes to webmaster, software? | 17:30 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I added johndoigiii to webmaster. | 17:34 |
| nkinkade | But made no changes to software. | 17:34 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: great, thanks | 17:43 |
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| paulproteus | Mike_H, I never attended UNC. My name is Asheesh Laroia. Maybe you're thinking of someone else? | 18:48 |
| Mike_H | paulproteus: I must be, but I've talked to you somewhere before. | 18:48 |
| Mike_H | I thought it was #ibiblio. | 18:48 |
| Mike_H | it was back in 2007, I can barely remember what I ate yesterday | 18:48 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 18:48 |
| paulproteus | I've been on #lyceum since then at least. | 18:49 |
| Mike_H | I don't think it's that. | 18:49 |
| Mike_H | hm. | 18:49 |
| Mike_H | this is more suited to #freeculture, I'll go there | 18:49 |
| paulproteus | Unfortunately my logs don't go back to 2007, so I can't quickly tell. But nice to see you again, either way. | 18:49 |
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| paulproteus | Presumably our tech team chat is still on for 2 pm today? I'll be sure to be in the office by then. | 19:10 |
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| Mike_H | paulproteus: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Danmark/Wikipedia_Tager_K%C3%B8benhavn | 19:20 |
| Mike_H | I'm writing up the proposal now :) | 19:20 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: you mean 1330? | 19:44 |
| paulproteus | I do indeed mean 1330, and I'll be in by then. | 19:45 |
| nkinkade | nathany: What are all these python exception mails we're getting from roundup? | 19:48 |
| paulproteus | They're the Gmail SSL'd IMAP server abruptly disconnecting. | 19:54 |
| paulproteus | Or the Gmail SSL'd IMAP server giving it "connection refused." | 19:54 |
| paulproteus | Since they're just temporary, and Roundup retries 10m later, they're not a big deal, so I've been ignoring them. | 19:54 |
| nkinkade | Seems like it could fail a little more gracefully. | 19:57 |
| paulproteus | You could say that about the Gmail IMAP server, too. | 19:57 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: or they're malformed requests coming in | 20:12 |
| nathany | hey nkinkade | 20:31 |
| paulproteus | So, Skype then? | 20:31 |
| paulproteus | Or conf. line? | 20:31 |
| nathany | ani says the mic is working | 20:31 |
| nathany | ekiga? | 20:31 |
| paulproteus | (Or Ekiga.) | 20:31 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Ekiga is good. | 20:32 |
| nkinkade | Let me fire it up. | 20:32 |
| nathany | nkinkade: cool | 20:33 |
| nathany | not sure it's working on my laptop... we'll see | 20:33 |
| nathany | nkinkade: we're in the room, let me know when you're there | 20:34 |
| nkinkade | I'm there. | 20:34 |
| nkinkade | Our old standby 5016060. | 20:34 |
| nathany | can you hear us? | 20:35 |
| nathany | nkinkade: can you hear us? i see our mic meter moving, we aren't hearing anything | 20:36 |
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| Howcheng | hello, i have a derivative work licensing question | 20:49 |
| Howcheng | let's say i have two works, one BY-SA, the other BY-NC-SA and I want to combine the two ... what would the license of the resulting work have to be? | 20:50 |
| Howcheng | or are the two licenses mutually exclusive? | 20:50 |
| nkinkade1 | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#Can_I_combine_two_different_Creative_Commons_licensed_works.3F_Can_I_combine_a_Creative_Commons_licensed_work_with_another_non-CC_licensed_work.3F | 20:50 |
| nkinkade1 | Howcheng: ^^ | 20:50 |
| Howcheng | ok, so mutually exclusive, like i thought, thanks | 20:51 |
| clsmith | That's one of the problems with SA, really... | 20:52 |
| clsmith | Same with GPL. Two things which were designed to help aid the community can't be brought together to aid the community, because of conflicting licenses. :/ | 20:52 |
| nathany | nkinkade1: should we just dial your cell? | 20:53 |
| nathany | we're all in one room | 20:53 |
| nkinkade1 | yeah, that'll work | 20:53 |
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| paulproteus | FWIW I'm in the glass table room. | 22:42 |
| * Bovinity ponders pointing out the error in that statement | 22:43 | |
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