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| geek745 | anyone online interested in the cc enhancement to wordpress media manager? | 04:18 |
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| cristi | hello again | 16:00 |
| cristi | is there any mentor for the google summer of code on? | 16:01 |
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| cristi | does any one care to talk about some project proposed for GSoC? | 16:13 |
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| nathany | hi cristi | 16:17 |
| nathany | i can answer questions :) | 16:17 |
| cristi | hi nathany | 16:18 |
| cristi | i was thinking about what you said last night | 16:18 |
| cristi | and it came to me that I could actualy implement an ontology | 16:18 |
| cristi | that would define the relations between contents introduced in the blog | 16:18 |
| nathany | cristi: is this for OOo or WordPress? (i answered questions about both) | 16:18 |
| cristi | WordPress | 16:19 |
| nathany | ok | 16:19 |
| nathany | so an ontology that... | 16:19 |
| cristi | meaning the plugin could check that the content submited and marked with some licence is compatible with the licence used by the curent user | 16:20 |
| nathany | you mean, for example, for an image that they embed, making sure it's compatible with the text contents? | 16:20 |
| cristi | and with the licence under wich the ser wold want to publish his work | 16:21 |
| nathany | right | 16:21 |
| nathany | that might be interesting | 16:22 |
| nathany | i say might because the line between what' | 16:22 |
| nathany | what's a derivative and what's a collection isn't always clear to me, so i wouldn't want something that enforced some behavior on users | 16:22 |
| nathany | (collections don't engage the behavior in licenses triggered by derivative works -- share alike, etc) | 16:23 |
| cristi | if i understand correctly (legal stuff isn't my domain), even if a photo is under a propretary licence, but the user modifes it, the modified picture would not be under propretary licence | 16:25 |
| nathany | well the user could only modify it if the license gives them permission to | 16:25 |
| cristi | in that case i don't understand the line with de collections and derivative works | 16:26 |
| nathany | if I have a photo under BY-NC-SA and I want to set it to music, that creates a derivative and I have to license the result under BY-NC-SA | 16:27 |
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| nathany | if I just publish it in a newspaper alongside an article, that's a collection and the paper doesn't have to be licensed (although they do have to attribute me) | 16:27 |
| cristi | ok | 16:27 |
| nathany | in both cases the license gives permission to be redistributed and reused in certain circumstances (IANAL either, FWIW) | 16:28 |
| cristi | now i understand | 16:28 |
| cristi | but let's say the ontology doesn't forbid you to use the pucture | 16:28 |
| cristi | but jest give you a warning | 16:28 |
| nathany | and how does it determine when to give the warning? | 16:29 |
| cristi | and some link to the legal explination where the user could make the decision under which category it resides | 16:29 |
| nathany | right | 16:29 |
| cristi | the ontology would be built considering that in the case there may be some way in which a content would be modifiable and some way in which it can't | 16:30 |
| cristi | the relation would only consider the constraining part | 16:31 |
| cristi | (it can be forbiden) | 16:31 |
| nathany | that sounds possibly interesting, I think I'd need to see a more complete proposal to give really concrete feedback | 16:32 |
| nathany | there are a few things floating in here of interest | 16:32 |
| nathany | * RDFa in WP | 16:32 |
| nathany | * mixing licenses around media -- how do they interact with the user | 16:32 |
| cristi | but also give a link to the paragraph's that explain in which cases it can be made publical | 16:32 |
| nathany | * storing license information with the media manage | 16:32 |
| cristi | my proposal would be to implement the RDFa in WP | 16:33 |
| nathany | great :) | 16:34 |
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| cristi | but after some talk and thinking on this i got this ideea about the ontology that I wanted to talk whith some one and implement it along side with the plugin | 16:34 |
| nathany | right... i think that could be a nice addition :) | 16:34 |
| cristi | that is, include it in my proposal | 16:34 |
| cristi | but i't still not clear to me if it can be done | 16:35 |
| cristi | and if so, which is the best way to do it | 16:35 |
| cristi | from what you told me there are at least 3 cases of conflict | 16:36 |
| cristi | *2 | 16:36 |
| cristi | warnings! : licences COULD not be compatible | 16:36 |
| cristi | errors: licences ARE not compatible | 16:36 |
| nathany | cristi: i think that this also assumes we know the license of the images, etc | 16:36 |
| cristi | yes | 16:37 |
| nathany | there's lots of interesting and helpful things to build before we worry about the ontology | 16:37 |
| nathany | like just extending the media manager to support specifying license information | 16:37 |
| nathany | (and then presumably including attribution + metadata when you insert something from the media managed) | 16:37 |
| cristi | ok i'll give it a rest for a while | 16:37 |
| nathany | that'd be a great feature, and wouldn't require thinking about the ontology (but you could build the ontology on it) | 16:37 |
| nathany | ok :) | 16:38 |
| nathany | i'm really happy you're thinking about these things | 16:38 |
| cristi | when you say media managed, what are you talking about? | 16:39 |
| cristi | WordPress Media Manager? | 16:40 |
| nathany | right | 16:41 |
| nathany | since you can pull in photos, video, etc and then insert them into your posts | 16:41 |
| nathany | presumably adding license information there would be the first step to "bigger" things | 16:42 |
| cristi | but this imports don't come with meta information isn't is right? | 16:42 |
| cristi | i mean, how can you know what licences to add? | 16:42 |
| cristi | this isn't yet clear to me | 16:43 |
| nathany | right, you'd have to ask the user... alternately you could imagine creating an "import" interface that asks for a web page URL and then lets the user import one or more images that's contained in that page | 16:44 |
| nathany | and reads the metadata from the containing page | 16:44 |
| cristi | hmm might work | 16:46 |
| cristi | with a colaboratibe effort throught the web | 16:46 |
| cristi | I could ask the user, when he inserts new content through Paste method where did they got them | 16:49 |
| cristi | and let them imput a URL from where to get the licence | 16:49 |
| cristi | this would enable to fill the meta even for text, and not only media | 16:51 |
| cristi | from my experience Paste is 70% used to import content | 16:52 |
| cristi | maybe let the user to edit the page but remember what content was Pasted or imported and when pressing Publish to ask him where did he get each and every one (spellcheck-er style) | 16:54 |
| cristi | (this would help in avoiding annoying pop-ups all the time) | 16:54 |
| cristi | what do you think? | 16:55 |
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| nathany | cristi: that might work -- it'd be important to test the UI and see if people found it annoying | 17:13 |
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| cristi | hmm... maybe I can convince my university to accept this as a project for the GUI class | 17:46 |
| cristi | and have use the results in the word press plugin | 17:47 |
| cristi | nathany: can you tell me who can I get my proposal reviewed before submitting to goole? | 17:49 |
| nathany | cristi: just email it to me (nathan at creativecommons dot org) or the cc-devel mailing list | 17:50 |
| cristi | ok great :) | 17:50 |
| cristi | from what I learned I managed to structure the development of the plugin as follows: | 17:51 |
| cristi | 1. plugin for mce editor (button to be included in the editor) | 17:52 |
| cristi | 2. install script to include the plugin in the right place in the wordpress distribution | 17:52 |
| cristi | 3. effective WP plugin to include the MCE plugin in the edit toolbar | 17:53 |
| cristi | 4. background coloring functions to highlight the different portions of the content registered under different licences | 17:54 |
| cristi | 5. test the plugin for different distros of WP | 17:57 |
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| cristi | as soon as I cand get mai MCE plugin POC done I should be able to make some accurate schedulle and send you a complete project application | 17:58 |
| cristi | this will be tonight or tomorrow morning I guess | 17:58 |
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| mlinksva | nathany Bovinity curry? | 19:03 |
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| Blackhold | hello | 19:06 |
| Blackhold | could someone help me please? | 19:06 |
| Blackhold | wich font is used to create creative commons words and symbols? | 19:06 |
| Blackhold | thanks | 19:06 |
| Bovinity | Blackhold: we have an icons font -- http://creativecommons.org/about/downloads/ | 19:08 |
| Blackhold | ok | 19:09 |
| Blackhold | great :D | 19:09 |
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| Blackhold | Bovinity: buf exactly which ttf font is? | 19:16 |
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| Blackhold | 'cause I would like to create a game | 19:16 |
| Blackhold | a didactic game | 19:16 |
| cristi | that's interesting | 19:16 |
| Blackhold | but I haven't all the words :( | 19:16 |
| cristi | wanna share? | 19:16 |
| Blackhold | sure! | 19:16 |
| Blackhold | we will translate it to various languages :) | 19:17 |
| Blackhold | http://hckrs.probeta.yi.org | 19:17 |
| Blackhold | <- more info, check for 404 link | 19:17 |
| cristi | spanih? | 19:18 |
| Blackhold | you have to sort the different licences | 19:18 |
| Blackhold | licenses | 19:18 |
| Blackhold | at restrictive order | 19:18 |
| Blackhold | I would like to introduce also copyright and copyleft licenses | 19:18 |
| cristi | cool | 19:19 |
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| Blackhold | and this font does not contain any copyleft or copyright symbol | 19:19 |
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| Blackhold | so that I need to know wich font was used to creative commons logo | 19:20 |
| cristi | is it though possible to an exact ordering | 19:20 |
| cristi | *to do | 19:20 |
| Blackhold | yes | 19:20 |
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| Blackhold | cristi: any idea where I could find this info? | 19:21 |
| cristi | well i'm a new comer myself and can't help with this one unfortunately | 19:21 |
| cristi | but i can do a googel search for you | 19:21 |
| cristi | maybe I can find something useful | 19:22 |
| Blackhold | I was searching a little bit | 19:22 |
| Blackhold | but with no the words that could give me to the answer | 19:22 |
| Blackhold | :o | 19:22 |
| Bovinity | Blackhold: ahh, i see, the CC logo is set in Akzidenz Grotesk Bold | 19:24 |
| Blackhold | ue!!! | 19:24 |
| Blackhold | thanks | 19:24 |
| Blackhold | gonna see | 19:24 |
| Blackhold | uh! that's not a free font... | 19:24 |
| Bovinity | no, unfortunately not | 19:25 |
| Blackhold | that's a pitty :( | 19:26 |
| cristi | can't you import a logo and make your own font? | 19:27 |
| cristi | I there are a couple of sites that let you create fonts | 19:27 |
| cristi | *I see | 19:27 |
| Blackhold | gonna try downloading from torrent | 19:29 |
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| cristi | don't tell anyone :P | 19:32 |
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| Blackhold | got it | 19:36 |
| Blackhold | is in berhold font collection | 19:36 |
| Blackhold | http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4YERVUS7 | 19:37 |
| Blackhold | here you have if you are interested | 19:37 |
| nkinkade | nathany: For the po/es* files, am I looking for a literal duplicate of license.selected? | 19:41 |
| nathany | no, you're looking for the extra word "License" in the translated string | 19:41 |
| nathany | does that make sense? | 19:41 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Sorry, I just didn't read the issue. :-) | 19:42 |
| nathany | lol | 19:42 |
| nkinkade | It's a pretty dumb feeling I've got now. | 19:42 |
| Bovinity | paulproteus: PING | 19:46 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity, pong | 19:46 |
| Bovinity | paulproteus: i'm looking at this OpenEd bullets issue.... i don't see any li tags on the Definition page..... am i blind? | 19:47 |
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| paulproteus | Bovinity, Hah, lemme see. | 19:47 |
| paulproteus | Er, something crazy happened. | 19:48 |
| paulproteus | Weren't there columns? | 19:48 |
| * paulproteus takes a look | 19:48 | |
| paulproteus | Oh, nm, Definition is "third level page" | 19:48 |
| Bovinity | oh | 19:48 |
| paulproteus | I just made a test page locally for that stuff. | 19:49 |
| paulproteus | http://opened.creativecommons.org/Share_Your_OER has some bullets. | 19:49 |
| Bovinity | indeed, with improper left margin | 19:50 |
| paulproteus | Right-o. My lame attempts to fix this are lame. | 19:53 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Just to be sure. Should I be removing the "License" word part from the English string as well? Seems like it shouldn't be there. | 20:02 |
| nathany | nkinkade: no, just in msgstr | 20:02 |
| nathany | i guess i may not have been clear | 20:02 |
| nathany | it's only in the spanish strings where it's duplicated | 20:02 |
| nathany | for example, i think es/ says "licensia ... License" | 20:02 |
| nathany | or am I still misunderstanding the issue? :) | 20:03 |
| nathany | ${country_name} will always be blank | 20:03 |
| nathany | ${license_pretty_name} wil be something like "Attribution 3.0 Spain" | 20:03 |
| nkinkade | nathany: The "License${country_name}" was throwing me. | 20:04 |
| nkinkade | It seems as if ${country_name} isn't ever used. | 20:04 |
| nathany | it used to be, isn't any more | 20:04 |
| nkinkade | At least not for that string. | 20:04 |
| nathany | we'll remove it but it's a bit of a pain in the tass | 20:04 |
| nathany | ass | 20:04 |
| nkinkade | So I was confused when I was that in the English. | 20:04 |
| nathany | right | 20:05 |
| nathany | sorry about that | 20:05 |
| nkinkade | *saw | 20:05 |
| nkinkade | No problem. Just didn't want to be removing things I shouldn't and vice versa. | 20:05 |
| nkinkade | I'll just fix up the msgstr part, but leave the ${country_name} in there. | 20:05 |
| greg-g | all: I just received confirmation that Canonical is sponsoring me to go to UDS in Spain (May 25th-29th), let me know what ideas/proposals you want me to, um, propose. | 20:09 |
| * paulproteus fully expects to pay his own way to Debconf in Spain (-: | 20:10 | |
| paulproteus | greg-g, In all seriousness I will keep that in mind. | 20:10 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: email me whatever thoughts you have | 20:11 |
| paulproteus | ACK | 20:11 |
| Bovinity | paulproteus: my list fix appears far more elegant than yours.. i wonder if i'm missing some edge cases | 20:18 |
| paulproteus | I imagine you're not. | 20:19 |
| paulproteus | I just hacked at random basically. | 20:19 |
| Bovinity | ah | 20:24 |
| Bovinity | oh, i see the slider alignment issue... | 20:26 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: Just to make sure I didn't miss anything, with the new Pootle setup do you know of any changes to deploying jurisdictions? | 20:40 |
| nkinkade | For example, editing i18n/trunk/master/cc_org.po? | 20:41 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Anything I need to know about license_xsl with recent changes? I got a error from ./bin/licenses, so I re-builtout, but am still getting an error: IndexError: list index out of range | 21:25 |
| nkinkade | Maybe I've missed a step, it's been a while since I deployed a jurisdiciton. | 21:26 |
| nathany | nkinkade: uh... not that i know of; i've been having to remove Arabic manually since it was borked but that may be fixed now that you just re-ran po2cc | 21:26 |
| nathany | nkinkade: but i don't think arabic would impact ./bin/licenses | 21:27 |
| nathany | can you pastebin the traceback? | 21:27 |
| nkinkade | nathany: nevermind. I somehow failed to add the jurisdiction code as the last argument. Sorry for the noise. | 21:27 |
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| nathany | :) | 21:27 |
| nathany | glad that's all it was :) | 21:28 |
| nkinkade | Me too. :-) | 21:28 |
| nkinkade | When I report errors, there's about a 50% chance it was user error ... my error, that is. | 21:28 |
| nathany | lol | 21:29 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Getting this error: An error exists in i18n/licenselocale.xsl.tmp: ... line 9808: Extra content at the end of the document. | 21:46 |
| nkinkade | But there doesn't appear to be anything stray at the end of the document. | 21:47 |
| nkinkade | Is it an innocuous warning? | 21:47 |
| nathany | nkinkade: remove i18n/ar | 21:49 |
| nathany | (arabic) | 21:49 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Just rm -rf i18n/ar ? | 21:52 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yes | 21:53 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Thanks. :-) | 21:54 |
| nathany | sure :) | 21:54 |
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| Steren | hi | 22:12 |
| Bovinity | it's it | 22:17 |
| Bovinity | duh | 22:17 |
| Bovinity | ;) | 22:17 |
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| paulproteus | Quality code as seen on the State of Delaware's legislature portal: | 22:28 |
| paulproteus | function myfun(){ | 22:28 |
| paulproteus | alert('fun...'); | 22:28 |
| paulproteus | } | 22:28 |
| paulproteus | (e.g. http://legis.delaware.gov/LIS/lis145.nsf/Printed+Calendar/?openview ) | 22:29 |
| Bovinity | state of delaware just wants to have fun? | 22:30 |
| nkinkade | nathany: All is safe to generated Deeds with the new cc.engine, right? | 22:32 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yes | 22:32 |
| nkinkade | A week or two ago you asked me to hold off. | 22:32 |
| nkinkade | Just being 100% sure you got whatever fixed up. | 22:33 |
| nathany | oh | 22:33 |
| nathany | uh... | 22:33 |
| nathany | do you remember why? | 22:33 |
| nathany | OH SHIT | 22:33 |
| nathany | FUCK FUCK FUCK | 22:33 |
| nkinkade | It had to do with regenerating HK, and you said that some things from dev had slipped through. | 22:33 |
| nathany | yes | 22:33 |
| nathany | damn | 22:33 |
| nkinkade | And to *not* generate deeds until that was fixed. | 22:33 |
| nathany | nkinkade: you are correct | 22:34 |
| nathany | shit, let me look at that template | 22:34 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i'm teasing that apart now | 22:48 |
| nkinkade | Thanks. | 22:48 |
| nathany | nkinkade: you should be good to go | 23:02 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Thanks. I'll svn up and generate deeds. | 23:02 |
| nathany | (svn up) | 23:02 |
| nathany | yeah | 23:02 |
| nkinkade | Now I've got a new issue: KeyError: 'xml.sax.drivers2.drv_pyexpat' | 23:02 |
| nkinkade | For ./imagespalt | 23:02 |
| nkinkade | (you get the idea) | 23:02 |
| nathany | right | 23:02 |
| nathany | can you pastebin your command line + full traceback? | 23:02 |
| nathany | nkinkade: you should probably do a quick eyeball of the generated deed to make sure it's sane... if there are things that could be better we can regen later, but... whatever | 23:05 |
| nkinkade | nathany: http://pastebin.com/d2b0bb872 | 23:05 |
| nathany | i also suggest just doing the Thai jurisdiction instead of doing the whole language for all deeds | 23:05 |
| nkinkade | I'll take a look at the Deeds once they are ready. | 23:05 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, I'm doing -j th | 23:06 |
| nkinkade | One thing I've discovered is that we should probably be adding the country.<code> and lang.<code> way in advance. | 23:06 |
| nkinkade | Because now those strings are untranslated for the launch. | 23:07 |
| nkinkade | Meaning that Thai shows up as "Thai" in the list of available languages ... not a big deal, but not ideal. | 23:07 |
| nkinkade | It's also seems as if there might be changes to Thai in Pootle that weren't commited. | 23:10 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i concur re: lang and country | 23:10 |
| nathany | wrt uncommitted changes, tough shit | 23:10 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I see that there are quite a lot of uncommitted changes. Should I just let that go for now, as you suggest? :-) | 23:11 |
| nathany | nkinkade: looking | 23:11 |
| nkinkade | The chooser has a good bit of English scattered around and I imagine that most of that is filled in by the uncommitted changes. | 23:12 |
| nathany | ugh | 23:12 |
| nathany | i guess we haven't made it 100% explicit that they need to commit | 23:12 |
| nkinkade | This is why 8 or 9 hours advance notice won't do. | 23:12 |
| nathany | i know | 23:12 |
| nathany | i mean, you can argue that we should have been paying attention to staff updates, but wtf | 23:12 |
| nathany | can you please commit? | 23:13 |
| nkinkade | When Michelle informed me that they needed to be ready by morning of Tuesday Thai time, it was already 12:30AM Tuesday in Thailand. | 23:13 |
| nkinkade | I'll commit the changes, stop the Deed generation, then redo it. | 23:13 |
| nathany | thanks :) you may need to regen licenselocale.xsl as well -- i see changes in the metadata strings | 23:13 |
| nathany | thanks for handling this as well, i do appreciate it | 23:14 |
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| mib_83nrmb | Hi, does anyone know how to fix this? When I add a new user, I get the error message "Please enter correct verification number." | 23:20 |
| mib_83nrmb | Here's a snapshot of the problem, http://i43.tinypic.com/34eqjvr.jpg | 23:20 |
| nathany | mib_83nrmb: is there some creative commons aspect to that? it looks like a wordpress issue | 23:21 |
| mib_83nrmb | ? | 23:23 |
| cristi | it's a virus | 23:23 |
| cristi | don't follow the link | 23:23 |
| mib_83nrmb | what? my link? | 23:23 |
| mib_83nrmb | its just a snapshot | 23:23 |
| cristi | oh sorry | 23:23 |
| nathany | lol | 23:23 |
| cristi | I was just talking about a fileinfector | 23:23 |
| mib_83nrmb | nathany, | 23:23 |
| cristi | on wordpress with some one | 23:24 |
| mib_83nrmb | what do you reccomend i do? | 23:24 |
| nathany | mib_83nrmb: this is the creative commons channel | 23:24 |
| cristi | and I saw you posted there also | 23:24 |
| nathany | we don't do wordpress support | 23:24 |
| mib_83nrmb | yeah, but none of the 190 people on wordpress are active... | 23:24 |
| nathany | that doesn't mean we know how to help you | 23:24 |
| mib_83nrmb | do you? | 23:24 |
| nathany | no | 23:25 |
| mib_83nrmb | oh, thanks then | 23:25 |
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| nkinkade | That was a great exchange. | 23:27 |
| nkinkade | Committing those uncommitted translations for Thai really was needed. Filled all the gaps. | 23:27 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Was there anything about imgsplat that jumped out at you? | 23:30 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yeah, i can see what the problem is, trying to track down the cause | 23:32 |
| nathany | one secone | 23:32 |
| nathany | second | 23:32 |
| nathany | nkinkade: images spaltting | 23:35 |
| nathany | splatting | 23:35 |
| nathany | but... no th? | 23:36 |
| nkinkade | Sorry. I haven't merged the RDF to production yet. | 23:36 |
| nathany | oh, phew | 23:36 |
| nkinkade | I can do that now. | 23:36 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 23:36 |
| nathany | so i manually tweaked the generated scrtipt | 23:36 |
| nathany | script | 23:36 |
| nkinkade | As long as it's working, then I can imgsplat in a few minutes. | 23:36 |
| nathany | not sure why it included a weird path... | 23:36 |
| nathany | great | 23:36 |
| nkinkade | Thanks for looking into that. | 23:36 |
| nathany | sure | 23:37 |
| nkinkade | I feel somewhat helpless with most of these tools. | 23:37 |
| nathany | i'm heading out to walk the dog, text/call if you run into things... | 23:37 |
| nkinkade | When a python exception occurs, that is. | 23:37 |
| nathany | :) | 23:37 |
| nathany | right | 23:37 |
| nkinkade | Will do. I think it's pretty much ready, though. | 23:37 |
| nathany | great | 23:37 |
| nkinkade | Thanks. | 23:37 |
| nathany | thank you | 23:37 |
| nkinkade | Talk to you tomorrow. | 23:37 |
| nathany | yup; | 23:37 |
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