Tuesday, 2009-03-24

*** caden_ is now known as caden00:09
*** caden is now known as caden_00:14
*** jimi_hendrix has joined #cc00:18
*** caden_ is now known as caden00:20
jimi_hendrixhi, i am making a website, and want the content that users post to be registered under creative commons, what do i do00:21
nkinkadejimi_hendrix: That is usually handled via some term of use.00:22
jimi_hendrixnkinkade, http://pastebin.com/m7b36538300:23
jimi_hendrixmy very basic terms of use00:23
nkinkadejimi_hendrix:  Seems like you'll want to specify which license, or else provide your users with a way of selecting.00:24
jimi_hendrixnkinkade, ok, recommendations?00:25
* jimi_hendrix is a law n00b00:25
nkinkadejimi_hendrix: You could see the CC ToU as an example: https://creativecommons.net/l/termsofuse.html00:26
nkinkadeSee the "About the Content you Post to ccNet" section as an example.00:27
nkinkadeBasically, there is no "Creative Commons License" as you reference in your pastebin entry.00:27
nkinkadeThere are 6 main licenses, and you'll just have to decide which makes most sense for your site and the content people submit.00:28
jimi_hendrixlink to the 6?00:29
jimi_hendrixnkinkade, ^^00:30
nkinkadejimi_hendrix:   http://creativecommons.org/about/licenses00:31
nkinkadeCC also has some integration tools if you'd like to give your users the ability to choose which license:  http://wiki.creativecommons.org/LicenseChooser.js00:32
jimi_hendrixCC uses ubuntu!00:34
nkinkadejimi_hendrix: What makes you say that?00:41
*** Bovinity has quit IRC00:41
nkinkadeSeveral employees, including myself, use Ubuntu.00:41
jimi_hendrixnkinkade, the screenshot00:41
nkinkadeAh. :-)00:42
jimi_hendrixnkinkade, default theme is ugly though imo00:44
jimi_hendrixnkinkade, 9.10's theme looks good though00:45
*** [mharrison] has quit IRC00:46
jimi_hendrixnkinkade, 9.0400:51
jimi_hendrixsorry :)00:51
*** balor has quit IRC00:59
jimi_hendrixnkinkade, is this better http://pastebin.com/d4d83702400:59
nkinkadejimi_hendrix: From a legal perspective I couldn't say, as I'm not a lawyer, but it's better than the first iteration.  :-)01:01
nkinkadeHowever, you should mention a license version number, which is important.01:01
nkinkade3.0 is the current version.01:01
nkinkadeYou should also put a link to the license itself.01:02
*** mlinksva has quit IRC01:02
jimi_hendrixnkinkade, link to license?01:02
nkinkadejimi_hendrix: I'm getting the feeling that you should do a little more reading about CC before you continue.01:02
jimi_hendrixnkinkade, ok01:03
jimi_hendrixnkinkade, and last thing, do i need to specify how the content is sited?01:03
nkinkadeYou really should understand what it's all about and how it all works before you go releasing things under a CC license, or requiring your users to do so.01:03
nkinkadeThe licenses have also been ported to 50 jurisdictions (countries), so you'll need to decide if you want to use an adapted license or the Unported versions.01:04
nkinkadeFor attribution: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#How_do_I_properly_attribute_a_Creative_Commons_licensed_work.3F01:04
jimi_hendrixnkinkade, thanks, i will do the reading tomorrow, i am going to sleep01:07
jimi_hendrixbah law is a pain01:07
*** [mharrison] has joined #cc01:13
*** Ekushey_ has joined #cc02:04
*** Ekushey- has quit IRC02:08
*** stevel has quit IRC02:08
*** nkinkade has quit IRC02:10
*** Ekushey_ has quit IRC02:20
*** Ekushey_ has joined #cc02:21
*** e_6 has quit IRC02:31
*** cgutierr has joined #cc02:37
*** tvol has quit IRC02:58
*** parkerhiggins is now known as parker103:24
*** tanjir has joined #cc03:29
*** [mharrison] has quit IRC03:34
*** tanjir_ has joined #cc03:34
*** tanjir has quit IRC03:37
*** parker1 is now known as parker03:48
*** parker is now known as parkerhiggins03:49
*** tanjir_ is now known as tanjir04:03
*** oshani has left #cc04:05
*** [mharrison] has joined #cc04:23
*** parkerhiggins is now known as porkerphinney04:29
*** Bangladesh has joined #cc04:33
*** Ekushey_ has quit IRC04:44
*** porkerphinney is now known as parkerhiggins04:50
*** devvrat has joined #cc05:10
*** devvrat has left #cc05:10
*** tanjir has quit IRC06:01
*** Bangladesh has quit IRC06:06
*** sama_ has joined #cc06:11
*** sama_ has quit IRC07:49
*** UncleCJ2_ has quit IRC07:55
*** UncleCJ2_ has joined #cc08:24
*** UncleCJ2__ has joined #cc08:25
*** UncleCJ2_ has quit IRC08:25
*** keksschaf has joined #cc08:37
*** Orango has joined #cc08:37
*** sama_ has joined #cc08:51
*** keksschaf has quit IRC09:04
*** cgutierr has quit IRC09:06
*** cgutierr has joined #cc09:20
*** riot has quit IRC09:23
*** Smeggy has joined #cc09:30
Smeggywho would i want to talk to if I had an idea for SoC?09:30
*** Smeggy has left #cc10:23
*** silwol has joined #cc10:39
*** grahl has joined #cc10:47
paulproteusSmeggy, Howdy.10:52
*** grahl has quit IRC11:56
*** nkinkade has joined #cc12:55
*** nkinkade has quit IRC12:55
*** balor has joined #cc12:58
*** Orango has quit IRC13:02
*** Orango has joined #cc13:03
*** jgay has joined #cc13:27
*** silwol has left #cc13:45
*** greg-g has quit IRC13:54
*** greg-g has joined #cc13:55
*** nathany has joined #cc14:01
*** nathany has quit IRC14:12
*** lotia has joined #cc14:18
*** keksschaf has joined #cc14:38
*** balor has quit IRC14:54
*** mlinksva has joined #cc15:08
*** Orango is now known as Orango|Away15:15
*** stevel has joined #cc15:19
*** lotia has quit IRC15:26
*** nkinkade has joined #cc15:35
*** keksschaf has quit IRC15:46
*** Orango|Away has quit IRC16:20
*** Orango|Away has joined #cc16:21
*** Orango|Away is now known as Orango16:24
*** paulproteus has quit IRC16:25
*** Orango has quit IRC16:26
*** paulproteus has joined #cc16:26
*** UncleCJ2__ has quit IRC16:36
*** UncleCJ2_ has joined #cc16:37
*** parkerhiggins has quit IRC16:43
*** parkerhiggins has joined #cc16:45
*** Guest527 has joined #cc16:47
*** Orango|Away has joined #cc16:48
*** Orango|Away has quit IRC16:48
*** sama_ has quit IRC16:52
*** Orango has joined #cc16:53
*** talkout has joined #cc17:01
*** Orango has joined #cc17:08
*** e_6 has joined #cc17:15
*** UncleCJ2_ has quit IRC17:46
*** lotia has joined #cc17:46
*** cacimar has joined #cc17:48
*** UncleCJ2_ has joined #cc18:14
*** sama_ has joined #cc18:33
*** johndoigiii has joined #cc18:52
*** johndoigiii has quit IRC19:07
*** balor has joined #cc19:48
*** lotia has quit IRC20:01
*** cacimar has quit IRC20:06
*** wallink has quit IRC21:04
*** Orango has quit IRC21:09
cgutierrHello all. Has there been discussion about embedding the CC metadata in images using digital watermarks?21:22
greg-g"watermarks" being something visual on the image? no. Image file metadata, yes, it is there (see: XMP)21:23
greg-gwell, to more correctly answer your question: yes, people have discussed that idea, but most don't like it21:25
cgutierrnot visual watermarks, invisible watermarks21:25
cgutierrwhy is that?21:25
greg-gI was thinking of semi-visual watermarks: most people don't like the idea of degrading their image to embed license metadata21:26
greg-gfor invisible watermarks: sure, I guess you could, nothing wrong with it, just seems like the same could be done with just embedding license metadata into the file21:27
cgutierrI see... Well invisible watermarking adds a layer of security just in case the metadata is removed and redistributed21:28
greg-g(these are just my opinions, btw)21:28
greg-gcgutierr: what would you gain from that?21:28
cgutierroh I totally appreciate it21:28
cgutierrI am a student gathering some information for Google Summer of Code21:29
cgutierrI do research in digital watermarking21:29
greg-gmy thing is this information (license metadata embedded as a watermark) should be as readable by any program as possible, license infomration shouldn't be "hidden"21:29
greg-gby "hidden" I mean: most programs don't know how to look for it, but most can read standard metadata schemes21:30
cgutierrI was thinking if someone malicious were to claim an image was his or hers21:31
greg-gI could see how this might be useful for such projects as copyright registries (see: "safe creative") who certify this verison of the file, on this date, was licensed under this specific license.21:31
cgutierra watermark could be a "definitive" way of determining ownership21:31
greg-gactually, those registries might be interested in something like this21:32
*** sama_ has quit IRC21:33
cgutierrlooking into it21:33
greg-gcgutierr: (showing my ignorance of the subject) what part of the watermarking process garuantees authorship? can I not embed a watermark after the fact21:33
cgutierrIndeed. Its based on statistics. A good digital watermark should be able to survive a number of transformations (compression, cropping, resizing, etc)21:35
greg-gright, so there isn't a way to "embed" (is that the right word) a digital watermark to an already created image?21:35
cgutierrgreg-g: the main idea is that in order to sucessfully "mask" a watermark, the image (or media) must be degraded to a level that is "unusable"21:36
cgutierrgreg-g: there is... the beauty of it is that a watermark embedder is independent of the image21:37
greg-gright right, and taking it out is impossible without making the image unusable (rephrasing what you said above)21:38
cgutierrgreg-g: (i.e. resolution, image format, etc are independent of the embedder)21:38
cgutierrthats correct21:38
*** papyromancer has joined #cc21:38
*** johndoigiii has joined #cc21:40
cgutierrgreg-g: safeCreative sounds perfect for this21:40
greg-gthat could indeed be a very interesting project, not sure how much CC would be interested in it, but others more likely21:40
cgutierrgreg-g: thanks for the heads up21:40
greg-gI would still email the cc-devel or cc-community mailing lists21:41
cgutierrgreg-g: awesome! will do!21:41
*** kittipat has joined #cc21:43
cgutierrgreg-g: is safeCreative a completely separate project or is there some overlap?21:43
greg-gcompletely separate21:46
greg-ghey, i gotta run21:46
*** johndoigiii has quit IRC21:46
greg-ggood talking21:46
*** keksschaf has joined #cc21:49
cgutierrthanks greg-g21:51
*** keksschaf has quit IRC21:54
*** balor has quit IRC22:01
*** papyromancer has quit IRC22:25
*** papyromancer has joined #cc22:38
*** [mharrison] has quit IRC22:47
*** briano has joined #cc23:12
*** briano has quit IRC23:18
*** e_6 has quit IRC23:57

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!