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| jimi_hendrix | hi, i am making a website, and want the content that users post to be registered under creative commons, what do i do | 00:21 |
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| nkinkade | jimi_hendrix: That is usually handled via some term of use. | 00:22 |
| jimi_hendrix | nkinkade, http://pastebin.com/m7b365383 | 00:23 |
| jimi_hendrix | my very basic terms of use | 00:23 |
| nkinkade | jimi_hendrix: Seems like you'll want to specify which license, or else provide your users with a way of selecting. | 00:24 |
| jimi_hendrix | nkinkade, ok, recommendations? | 00:25 |
| * jimi_hendrix is a law n00b | 00:25 | |
| nkinkade | jimi_hendrix: You could see the CC ToU as an example: https://creativecommons.net/l/termsofuse.html | 00:26 |
| nkinkade | See the "About the Content you Post to ccNet" section as an example. | 00:27 |
| nkinkade | Basically, there is no "Creative Commons License" as you reference in your pastebin entry. | 00:27 |
| nkinkade | There are 6 main licenses, and you'll just have to decide which makes most sense for your site and the content people submit. | 00:28 |
| jimi_hendrix | ok | 00:29 |
| jimi_hendrix | link to the 6? | 00:29 |
| jimi_hendrix | nkinkade, ^^ | 00:30 |
| nkinkade | jimi_hendrix: http://creativecommons.org/about/licenses | 00:31 |
| nkinkade | CC also has some integration tools if you'd like to give your users the ability to choose which license: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/LicenseChooser.js | 00:32 |
| jimi_hendrix | CC uses ubuntu! | 00:34 |
| nkinkade | jimi_hendrix: What makes you say that? | 00:41 |
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| nkinkade | Several employees, including myself, use Ubuntu. | 00:41 |
| jimi_hendrix | nkinkade, the screenshot | 00:41 |
| nkinkade | Ah. :-) | 00:42 |
| jimi_hendrix | nkinkade, default theme is ugly though imo | 00:44 |
| jimi_hendrix | nkinkade, 9.10's theme looks good though | 00:45 |
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| nkinkade | 9.10? | 00:48 |
| jimi_hendrix | nkinkade, 9.04 | 00:51 |
| jimi_hendrix | sorry :) | 00:51 |
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| jimi_hendrix | nkinkade, is this better http://pastebin.com/d4d837024 | 00:59 |
| nkinkade | jimi_hendrix: From a legal perspective I couldn't say, as I'm not a lawyer, but it's better than the first iteration. :-) | 01:01 |
| nkinkade | However, you should mention a license version number, which is important. | 01:01 |
| nkinkade | 3.0 is the current version. | 01:01 |
| nkinkade | You should also put a link to the license itself. | 01:02 |
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| jimi_hendrix | nkinkade, link to license? | 01:02 |
| nkinkade | jimi_hendrix: I'm getting the feeling that you should do a little more reading about CC before you continue. | 01:02 |
| jimi_hendrix | nkinkade, ok | 01:03 |
| jimi_hendrix | nkinkade, and last thing, do i need to specify how the content is sited? | 01:03 |
| nkinkade | You really should understand what it's all about and how it all works before you go releasing things under a CC license, or requiring your users to do so. | 01:03 |
| nkinkade | The licenses have also been ported to 50 jurisdictions (countries), so you'll need to decide if you want to use an adapted license or the Unported versions. | 01:04 |
| nkinkade | http://creativecommons.org/international/ | 01:04 |
| nkinkade | For attribution: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#How_do_I_properly_attribute_a_Creative_Commons_licensed_work.3F | 01:04 |
| jimi_hendrix | nkinkade, thanks, i will do the reading tomorrow, i am going to sleep | 01:07 |
| jimi_hendrix | bah law is a pain | 01:07 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 01:08 |
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| Smeggy | who would i want to talk to if I had an idea for SoC? | 09:30 |
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| paulproteus | Smeggy, Howdy. | 10:52 |
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| cgutierr | Hello all. Has there been discussion about embedding the CC metadata in images using digital watermarks? | 21:22 |
| greg-g | "watermarks" being something visual on the image? no. Image file metadata, yes, it is there (see: XMP) | 21:23 |
| greg-g | well, to more correctly answer your question: yes, people have discussed that idea, but most don't like it | 21:25 |
| cgutierr | not visual watermarks, invisible watermarks | 21:25 |
| cgutierr | why is that? | 21:25 |
| greg-g | I was thinking of semi-visual watermarks: most people don't like the idea of degrading their image to embed license metadata | 21:26 |
| greg-g | for invisible watermarks: sure, I guess you could, nothing wrong with it, just seems like the same could be done with just embedding license metadata into the file | 21:27 |
| cgutierr | I see... Well invisible watermarking adds a layer of security just in case the metadata is removed and redistributed | 21:28 |
| greg-g | (these are just my opinions, btw) | 21:28 |
| greg-g | cgutierr: what would you gain from that? | 21:28 |
| cgutierr | oh I totally appreciate it | 21:28 |
| cgutierr | I am a student gathering some information for Google Summer of Code | 21:29 |
| greg-g | cool | 21:29 |
| cgutierr | I do research in digital watermarking | 21:29 |
| greg-g | my thing is this information (license metadata embedded as a watermark) should be as readable by any program as possible, license infomration shouldn't be "hidden" | 21:29 |
| greg-g | by "hidden" I mean: most programs don't know how to look for it, but most can read standard metadata schemes | 21:30 |
| cgutierr | Gotcha | 21:30 |
| cgutierr | I was thinking if someone malicious were to claim an image was his or hers | 21:31 |
| greg-g | I could see how this might be useful for such projects as copyright registries (see: "safe creative") who certify this verison of the file, on this date, was licensed under this specific license. | 21:31 |
| cgutierr | a watermark could be a "definitive" way of determining ownership | 21:31 |
| cgutierr | right | 21:32 |
| greg-g | actually, those registries might be interested in something like this | 21:32 |
| cgutierr | awesome | 21:33 |
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| cgutierr | looking into it | 21:33 |
| greg-g | cgutierr: (showing my ignorance of the subject) what part of the watermarking process garuantees authorship? can I not embed a watermark after the fact | 21:33 |
| cgutierr | Indeed. Its based on statistics. A good digital watermark should be able to survive a number of transformations (compression, cropping, resizing, etc) | 21:35 |
| greg-g | right, so there isn't a way to "embed" (is that the right word) a digital watermark to an already created image? | 21:35 |
| cgutierr | greg-g: the main idea is that in order to sucessfully "mask" a watermark, the image (or media) must be degraded to a level that is "unusable" | 21:36 |
| greg-g | gotcha | 21:36 |
| cgutierr | greg-g: there is... the beauty of it is that a watermark embedder is independent of the image | 21:37 |
| greg-g | right right, and taking it out is impossible without making the image unusable (rephrasing what you said above) | 21:38 |
| cgutierr | greg-g: (i.e. resolution, image format, etc are independent of the embedder) | 21:38 |
| cgutierr | thats correct | 21:38 |
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| cgutierr | greg-g: safeCreative sounds perfect for this | 21:40 |
| greg-g | that could indeed be a very interesting project, not sure how much CC would be interested in it, but others more likely | 21:40 |
| cgutierr | greg-g: thanks for the heads up | 21:40 |
| greg-g | I would still email the cc-devel or cc-community mailing lists | 21:41 |
| cgutierr | greg-g: awesome! will do! | 21:41 |
| greg-g | http://creativecommons.org/contact/#community | 21:41 |
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| cgutierr | greg-g: is safeCreative a completely separate project or is there some overlap? | 21:43 |
| greg-g | completely separate | 21:46 |
| greg-g | hey, i gotta run | 21:46 |
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| greg-g | good talking | 21:46 |
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| cgutierr | thanks greg-g | 21:51 |
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