mattl | greg-g: IANALE ;) | 00:02 |
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greg-g | :) | 00:02 |
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greg-g | mattl: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/User:Greg.grossmeier#BY-SA_Newer_Version_Chart | 06:24 |
mattl | greg-g: woah. appreciate that. | 06:27 |
greg-g | not approved by CC legal counsel, of course. I will write an email shortly to see if we can put it in our FAQ | 06:29 |
mattl | sure. | 06:30 |
mattl | that'd be sweet though | 06:30 |
greg-g | email sent. | 06:55 |
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nathany | hey greg-g, should we actually check in today? :) | 15:59 |
greg-g | nathany: if you want :) | 16:03 |
nathany | greg-g: anything new to report? :) | 16:03 |
nathany | maybe we should just figure out a f2f for when i'm in MI | 16:03 |
greg-g | that probably would be most efficient | 16:04 |
nathany | if there isn't anything new/amazing/questionable/etc, let's do that | 16:04 |
greg-g | also, I was going to ask you if you had spoke with Jim Eng about meeting f2f re: sakai stuff | 16:04 |
nathany | i did briefly | 16:04 |
nathany | i need to send some emails today to Ted, et al about firming up my schedule | 16:04 |
greg-g | anything come of it? want me to make some plans for you? :) | 16:04 |
greg-g | ok | 16:04 |
nathany | he said he was interested but we never really nailed down a time | 16:05 |
greg-g | k | 16:05 |
greg-g | let me know if you want me to do anything about that | 16:05 |
nathany | is there anyone else outside the ted/pieter/garin/etc team i should see while i'm there (beside the inside of Zingerman's? ;) ) | 16:05 |
greg-g | heh | 16:05 |
greg-g | well, there are all the other Open Access Week events, if you wanted to attend any of those (no technical talks). Maybe a quick "hello" to Molly Kleinman | 16:06 |
nathany | got it | 16:07 |
nathany | ok, cool | 16:07 |
nathany | is your schedule reasonably up to date on google? or should i just ping you after i fill in meetings with others to set up a sync meeting? | 16:07 |
greg-g | my schedule is up to date for all recuring things at least | 16:08 |
greg-g | and most other things, so yes. the answer is yes. :) | 16:08 |
nathany | excellent :) | 16:08 |
nathany | great checking in with you ;) | 16:09 |
greg-g | go efficiency! | 16:09 |
greg-g | (I was eating lunch the whole time, you never would have known either) | 16:09 |
nathany | lol | 16:09 |
paulproteus | I wonder if daylight savings time can help trick me into getting up early. | 16:12 |
paulproteus | So far, it seems to be working, but the sample size is relatively small. | 16:12 |
greg-g | paulproteus: I wouldn't count on it. It didn't work for me. | 16:12 |
greg-g | of course, I was up at 3am making a BY-SA chart, that might have something to do with it. | 16:13 |
paulproteus | I was up then too, but what I was doing was painstakingly choosing a venue for the Debian Lenny release party. | 16:14 |
paulproteus | But also I went to sleep half an hour later and am in the time zone where "3am Eastern" is only midnight, muahaha. | 16:14 |
greg-g | ie: drinking at different bars. | 16:14 |
paulproteus | BTW, nathany , you're invited to http://bad.debian.net/list/2009-March/003303.html | 16:15 |
paulproteus | nathany, What was the .no problem, btw? | 16:15 |
paulproteus | Maybe I'll just read the commit log. | 16:15 |
* paulproteus does that | 16:16 | |
nathany | paulproteus: awesome, i'll put it on my calendar... | 16:16 |
nathany | paulproteus: msgctxt seems to make zope's (python's?) i18n compiler barf | 16:16 |
paulproteus | Does Zope i18n just not support msgctxt... ...yes. | 16:17 |
paulproteus | Okay then. | 16:17 |
nathany | but barf in a way that just makes it ignore the rest of the PO | 16:17 |
nathany | i haven't dug deep enough to figure out if this is a Zope or Python problem | 16:17 |
paulproteus | I mean, there's some sense in "Fail hard". | 16:17 |
nathany | paulproteus: right | 16:21 |
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paulproteus | nathany, Ankit's code quality doesn't seem to have improved dramatically in a year. | 16:47 |
nathany | paulproteus: i noticed but was trying to remain #positive on a monday morning :) | 16:48 |
* nathany channels rejon | 16:48 | |
paulproteus | I'm trying to, also, but it's not working as well. | 16:48 |
nathany | :) | 16:48 |
CharelB | :( | 16:48 |
CharelB | damned shit | 16:49 |
nathany | i suggest just ignoring his code... unless you and mlinksva have had a conversation to the contrary | 16:49 |
nathany | if it doesn't work, we'll write it ourselves when the time comes (i suspect) | 16:49 |
paulproteus | I'm going to spend 15m more fixing it, and then I'll go back to ignoring it. | 16:49 |
nathany | awesome | 16:50 |
paulproteus | I still want them to be able to get as far as possible without us doing a lot of work. | 16:50 |
CharelB | why does cc does not sell these shirts in black ... these creative commoner shirts :/ | 16:50 |
Bovinity | Bovinity: we print all our shirts up front, and we haven't found a large enough demand for alternate colours | 16:52 |
Bovinity | er | 16:53 |
Bovinity | CharelB: ^ | 16:53 |
CharelB | k :/ | 16:53 |
CharelB | well that's a pity :( | 16:53 |
Bovinity | were you teh one who just called? | 16:53 |
Bovinity | otherwise, demand is on the up! | 16:53 |
CharelB | I called yet yes :/ | 16:53 |
CharelB | i'm that guy from luxembourg. | 16:54 |
paulproteus | I'm really floored by the weirdness of Ankit's code. | 16:55 |
paulproteus | It represents a way of thinking I do not understand. | 16:55 |
Bovinity | trippy | 16:55 |
paulproteus | Admittedly it seems he doesn't either, or else it would actually work. | 16:55 |
CharelB | My parents gonna kill me if they see ... that I called in the us :/ | 16:56 |
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paulproteus | I mean, the code isn't just wrong in an MIT vs. New Jersey sense. It's wrong as in it doesn't run successfully. | 17:09 |
nathany | paulproteus: your 15 minutes is up :) | 17:09 |
nathany | ;) | 17:10 |
* paulproteus sighs | 17:10 | |
paulproteus | "Five more minutes..." | 17:10 |
nathany | ugh | 17:10 |
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nathany | paulproteus: it's not our job to fix their code | 17:14 |
mlinksva | paulproteus: what code is being discussed? | 17:14 |
paulproteus | nathany, It's not, and I'm done now. | 17:14 |
nathany | great :) | 17:14 |
paulproteus | mlinksva, Ankit G. wrote some code to read data from our CSV dumps of linkback stats that he wants to digest into data he's going to put onto the CC Monitor wiki. | 17:15 |
paulproteus | If this is the level of "data analysis" code that project is going to get, it's utterly hopeless. | 17:15 |
paulproteus | Which is a shame, because it's a cool project. | 17:15 |
nathany | paulproteus: don't worry! they want to write a skin too! ;) | 17:15 |
paulproteus | "At least" that's not Ankit's plan, just Jackson's. | 17:16 |
nathany | "at least" indeed | 17:16 |
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nathany | lol | 17:16 |
Bovinity | http://www.failboat.cn/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/fail_ship.jpg | 17:16 |
paulproteus | Wow, RACING FAIL is amazing. | 17:17 |
paulproteus | Wow, so is "look who just arrived." | 17:18 |
Bovinity | failboat knows only FAILURE | 17:18 |
paulproteus | "Set sail for FAIL" | 17:18 |
paulproteus | Wow. | 17:18 |
greg-g | I would argue this is a Racing Win: http://www.failboat.cn/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/128699229038179461.jpg | 17:19 |
Bovinity | raicing fail reminds me of http://bikerpunks.com/media/thumbs/rossi-big-air2.jpg | 17:19 |
greg-g | he only lost a couple points because he wasn't also barefoot | 17:20 |
greg-g | Bovinity: haha | 17:20 |
greg-g | also reminds me of this bike polo "Flight of Igor" photo from Ann Arbor: http://a863.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/107/l_4e3c4fc854f5240385f1b97ab40d4286.jpg | 17:22 |
nkinkade | paulproteus: Do you hang out in #civicrm these days? | 17:23 |
paulproteus | WOW, greg-g. | 17:23 |
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paulproteus | nkinkade, I seem to be there, yeah. | 17:23 |
paulproteus | I see your question. | 17:23 |
paulproteus | I basically don't leave channels. | 17:23 |
paulproteus | I'm going to brb and get something from Tartine to cheer me up. | 17:24 |
paulproteus | Manonam. | 17:24 |
mlinksva | paulproteus: argh. need to rescope to something not totally useless. crap, no time. #idea. :( | 17:25 |
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paulproteus | (wrong button) | 17:26 |
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paulproteus | nathany, For some reason, po2cc where Pootle is seems to insert msgctxt. | 19:12 |
paulproteus | er, wait, it's gone totally bonkers | 19:12 |
paulproteus | tty in a bit... | 19:13 |
paulproteus | D'oh, I ran it backwards. | 19:13 |
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greg-g | nathany: re: your dent about PhD candidates: yes. yes it does. | 19:52 |
greg-g | 16:02 < jcastro> I kind of like this orgmode thing | 20:06 |
greg-g | 16:02 < jcastro> but like, it needs emacs | 20:06 |
greg-g | 16:02 < jcastro> and I don't feel like learning a new OS. | 20:06 |
greg-g | 16:03 < jcastro> however, an orgmode thing for tomboy would be .... awesome | 20:06 |
paulproteus | I love org mode, and I just made a cheat sheet for myself that I refer to. | 20:12 |
nathany | greg-g: i *want* to like tomboy... just like i want to like tasque | 20:13 |
paulproteus | Have you tried Getting Things GNOME? | 20:13 |
paulproteus | It seems to me it's yet another thing that won't be as enjoyable as org mode. | 20:13 |
nathany | i just saw it a few minutes ago | 20:13 |
nathany | lol | 20:13 |
robmyers | Tomboy is Mono based, just uninstall Mono and the decision becomes easier. ;-) | 20:13 |
* nathany rolls eyes | 20:14 | |
paulproteus | That's like saying: | 20:14 |
paulproteus | Tomboy is Linux based, just uninstall Linux and the decision becomes easier ;-) | 20:14 |
Bovinity | GET A MAC | 20:14 |
robmyers | LOL | 20:14 |
* paulproteus had Linux on a Mac for a while; does that count? | 20:14 | |
robmyers | yeah the G4 behind me has Fedora on | 20:14 |
paulproteus | The G4 CPU is the reason I own a Thinkpad today. | 20:15 |
paulproteus | Piece of trash. | 20:15 |
paulproteus | Anyway. | 20:15 |
paulproteus | nathany, re: http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue201 | 20:16 |
nathany | yes? | 20:16 |
paulproteus | We just want this to be one-off - but what if someone tries to do a translation on Pootle? | 20:16 |
paulproteus | And then commits it, and then we feel dumb? | 20:16 |
paulproteus | I guess that's no big deal if we disable commit for en and en_US there. | 20:16 |
nathany | right | 20:16 |
paulproteus | I'll ensure that is the case. | 20:16 |
paulproteus | You are the only one with commit on either, and in fact you have it on both. | 20:18 |
paulproteus | Use this power wisely, but I will not remove it from you. | 20:18 |
paulproteus | er, brb, lunch | 20:19 |
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Bovinity | mecredis: do you have a url for the updated shared culture video? i still see the old one on my page | 21:15 |
greg-g | I have not tried GTG yet, the concensus of my GTD friends is that it isn't quite there yet, and it would be better as a frontend to Tasks (that webbased app). | 21:18 |
mattl | GTG? | 21:18 |
greg-g | Getting Things Gnome (new GTD app) | 21:18 |
mattl | ahh. | 21:18 |
mattl | i thought it was some new technique | 21:19 |
mattl | getting things going or something | 21:19 |
mattl | just use emacs for gtd | 21:19 |
greg-g | heh, yeah, it was in response to an earlier discussion, no context is a pain. | 21:19 |
robmyers | ooh it's Python-based | 21:22 |
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nkinkade | mlinksva: Do you know anything about this issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GFDL_standardization | 21:54 |
mlinksva | nkinkade: i didn't know about it. that's a dark corner of the fdl i wasn't aware of | 21:57 |
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nkinkade | mlinksva: Someone wrote in asking if migrating images to BY-SA on their wiki would allow them a way out of that mess. | 21:59 |
mlinksva | nkinkade: need more information | 21:59 |
nkinkade | I'm not 100% sure how to respond, but figured I say something to the effect that I know of no reason why using a BY-SA license would cause that problem. | 22:00 |
mlinksva | nkinkade: can you fwd me the email? | 22:00 |
nkinkade | mlinksva: Would you rather reply yourself? | 22:00 |
mlinksva | maybe, maybe not, need to see :) | 22:00 |
nkinkade | I'll forward it to you. | 22:00 |
mlinksva | thx | 22:00 |
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nathany | nkinkade: i just tried to restart varnish on a7 and it barfed | 22:52 |
nathany | ideas? | 22:52 |
nkinkade | nathany: Let me take a look. I happen to be logged in. | 22:53 |
nkinkade | nathany: Did you change something in the VCL file? | 22:54 |
nathany | i did, and i changed it back and it still fails | 22:54 |
nathany | i was trying to make /publicdomain go to zope (along with license and characteristic | 22:54 |
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nathany | nkinkade: it seems to be back alive | 22:55 |
nathany | what'd you do? | 22:55 |
nkinkade | nathany: I didn't do anything. | 22:56 |
nkinkade | I was just looking over the VCL file. | 22:56 |
nathany | that's weird | 22:56 |
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nkinkade | I didn't try starting it, but it said it had failed. | 22:56 |
nathany | where did you look to see that it said that? | 22:56 |
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nathany | (i looked in /var/log/varnish.log which seemed empty) | 22:56 |
nathany | i'm going to make my change again and have you sanity check it | 22:56 |
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nathany | nkinkade: can i have the lock on creativecommons.vcl? | 22:57 |
nathany | thanks :) | 22:57 |
paulproteus | You silly folks, you should track /etc in etckeeper. | 22:58 |
nathany | nkinkade: can you take a look? i edited the (license|characteristic) | 22:58 |
nathany | paulproteus: sometimes you're amusing | 22:58 |
paulproteus | I can install it, but I'd argue it needs some buy-in to be useful. | 22:58 |
nathany | now isn't one of those times | 22:58 |
paulproteus | Fair enough. | 22:58 |
* paulproteus pipes down for a bit | 22:58 | |
paulproteus | Lemme know if I can help. | 22:59 |
nathany | thanks | 22:59 |
nathany | nkinkade: let me know if that looks sane and then lets try and restart varnish with it | 22:59 |
nkinkade | nathany: So the only thing you did was to add |publicdomain in there? | 23:00 |
nkinkade | Is that what you had before, too? | 23:00 |
nathany | yup | 23:00 |
nkinkade | Hmm. | 23:00 |
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nathany | nkinkade:^^ | 23:00 |
nkinkade | I wonder if it doesn't like more than one | for alternatives? | 23:00 |
nathany | maybe | 23:01 |
nathany | still doesn't explain why it wouldn't start when i changed it back | 23:01 |
nathany | how would you go about deploying that configuration change? | 23:01 |
nathany | nkinkade: ^^? | 23:03 |
nathany | (i just want to make sure i'm using the correct incantation) | 23:03 |
nkinkade | Seems alright, but I have no reason to believe that it'll work this time if it failed before. | 23:03 |
nkinkade | I'm looking around for a quirks about regexs in VCL. | 23:03 |
nathany | nkinkade: but would you just do /etc/init.d/varnish restart? | 23:04 |
nkinkade | nathany: I'll give it a try. | 23:04 |
nathany | nkinkade: fwiw i changed it to (license|publicdomain) instead of (license|publicdomain|characteristic) | 23:05 |
nathany | nkinkade: also, *IS* that the command you'd use to apply this, or is there some other approach that's better? | 23:05 |
nathany | (i'm really trying to make sure I | 23:06 |
nathany | 'm doing this right) | 23:06 |
nkinkade | nathany: I restarted Varnish and it came back up. | 23:06 |
nathany | ok, thanks | 23:06 |
nkinkade | Just now checking to see if the rule is actually working. | 23:06 |
nathany | nkinkade: it should be a 404 at the moment | 23:07 |
nkinkade | http://staging.creativecommons.org/publicdomain/ | 23:07 |
nkinkade | It does return a "File not found." | 23:08 |
nathany | great | 23:08 |
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nathany | paulproteus: i created a ticket re: etckeeper; if we get consensus, let's do it. | 23:12 |
nathany | thanks for continued prompting towards sanity | 23:12 |
paulproteus | Sure thing, and sorry about barging in with it when there's a real fire to be put out. | 23:13 |
nathany | paulproteus: np :) | 23:13 |
Bovinity | paulproteus: with git-svn, can i push a git tree into a git-svn, and act like it was in svn all along? | 23:14 |
paulproteus | You mean like, make a git commit based on svn, and then when future svn revs come in, have them be based on your git rev? | 23:15 |
paulproteus | Like svn r3 -> svn r4 -> my git commit -> svn r5 -> ... | 23:16 |
paulproteus | There's no automated way to do that (but I'm not sure what you're asking really, but I sense the answer's no). | 23:16 |
Bovinity | paulproteus: i think i mean merging a git tree into a git-svn checkout | 23:16 |
Bovinity | yeah, probably no | 23:16 |
paulproteus | Oh, I see. You should cherry-pick your git changes on top of the latest git-svn revision, and git svn dcommit. | 23:16 |
paulproteus | So that there's a linear path from the last git-svn commit that represents svn HEAD to the git commit you have (and then git svn dcommit's job is clear). | 23:17 |
paulproteus | Note that this is effectively what "git svn rebase" does every time. | 23:17 |
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KresentPhresh | ...Lively. | 23:19 |
Bovinity | hmm, i think i'll just work in my own git checkout and figure out merging later | 23:20 |
paulproteus | Okay, cool. | 23:20 |
mattl | KresentPhresh: ? | 23:20 |
paulproteus | I can help later in more detail (e.g., if I'm in person, or you give me a copy of your .git). | 23:20 |
KresentPhresh | Anyway... I had a general question, thought maybe someone here could shed a light on the subject... | 23:20 |
KresentPhresh | ...Anyone know how Wikipedia finds funds to operate? | 23:20 |
mattl | KresentPhresh: read their annual report. | 23:21 |
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Bovinity | paulproteus: i'm thinking it's just a case of pulling a git-svn checkout into my working tree, and merging from there... or just do it the old fashioned way. | 23:22 |
paulproteus | With git-svn, "git merge" is almost always wrong. | 23:22 |
greg-g | there is also #wikipedia, with people who are more likely to know the answer | 23:22 |
paulproteus | Since git svn doesn't know how to push multi-parent commits back to svn (since svn doesn't have that concept) and that's how git records "merge." | 23:23 |
KresentPhresh | True, but that's about all I wonder about Wikipedia, my other issues are more general than that. | 23:23 |
KresentPhresh | Trying to come up with a business idea off a free product, kind of tricky. | 23:23 |
paulproteus | But cherry-picking/rebasing your commits on top of a git svn-imported revision does make sense. | 23:23 |
greg-g | KresentPhresh: that depends on the product, somewhat. | 23:26 |
KresentPhresh | Yep, but I don't intend to own the product since I want it to be a collaborative effort. | 23:27 |
KresentPhresh | An Operating System. | 23:27 |
greg-g | Oh, that is easy, see: RedHat, IBM, etc etc | 23:27 |
KresentPhresh | Yeah, it's a custom Linux system basically | 23:28 |
greg-g | yep, that is what they do. | 23:28 |
mattl | KresentPhresh: Linux. Not an operating system. | 23:28 |
KresentPhresh | But I'm not enough of a Linux Admin to build the entire system, so I need to be able to hire a couple of hands to help me work on the essentials | 23:28 |
KresentPhresh | I'm aware | 23:28 |
KresentPhresh | A traditional "OS" comes in the form of a distro, but I don't want to just make another distro. | 23:29 |
KresentPhresh | So I'm trying to design some sort of web-based collaboration system, some means of facilitating public development, kind of how anyone can edit Wikipedia articles, they too can shape large aspects of the system. | 23:30 |
KresentPhresh | Thanks for pointing me to that annual report, though, I hadn't considered that and it gave me a bit more information than just their revenue. | 23:34 |
mattl | np | 23:34 |
nathany | paulproteus: you still have your one off script around that blasts en and en_US? | 23:40 |
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nathany | i had an old copy lying around that i was working off of and i guess i committed over your changes | 23:40 |
paulproteus | I do, yeah. | 23:40 |
nathany | can you quick update, blast, commit? (that works in the /po/ dir, right?) | 23:41 |
paulproteus | Sure. | 23:42 |
nathany | thanks | 23:42 |
paulproteus | Er, I can't reproduce your clobbering it. | 23:43 |
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paulproteus | It lives in asheesh_oneoffs and http://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn/ indicates you didn't touch that. | 23:43 |
nathany | i didn't clobber the script | 23:43 |
paulproteus | Oh, you mean you clobbered teh POs. | 23:43 |
paulproteus | Got itl. | 23:43 |
nathany | i clobbered the english | 23:43 |
nathany | yuip | 23:43 |
paulproteus | I haven't used it and committed the result yet. | 23:43 |
nathany | ah | 23:43 |
nathany | ok, i'll grab it and go from there | 23:43 |
paulproteus | I'm about to do that, so I'll do it and say it's done and happy in 5m. (-: | 23:44 |
nathany | ok cool | 23:44 |
nathany | (don't forget to svn up first :) ) | 23:44 |
paulproteus | I was going to add a restart-Pootle-when-PO-files-change post-commit hook first. | 23:44 |
paulproteus | Otherwise I'll just get "svn: lol out of date sucka". (-: | 23:44 |
nathany | ok, no idea what you're talking about | 23:44 |
paulproteus | Whatever, it's the thing that the Czech guy was having. | 23:44 |
nathany | whatever, my brain is mush, i have to head home to walk the dog | 23:44 |
paulproteus | ACK, have fun. | 23:45 |
nathany | can you ping me when english is sufficiently gutted? | 23:45 |
paulproteus | Will do. | 23:45 |
nathany | thanks much | 23:45 |
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paulproteus | http://www.shuttleworthfoundation.org/ has the biggest CC button I've ever SEEN. | 23:55 |
mattl | paulproteus: look out for the CD copy of More Mature Escapades. | 23:56 |
Bovinity | hmm | 23:57 |
Bovinity | he really went all out with the license | 23:57 |
mlinksva | paulproteus: that's pretty silly looking | 23:58 |
paulproteus | I think it's pretty awesome-looking actually. | 23:59 |
paulproteus | "My CC is bigger than yours" | 23:59 |
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