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| paulproteus | </mtg> | 00:30 |
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| mattl | hey paulproteus | 00:33 |
| paulproteus | Howdy mattl. | 00:33 |
| ianweller | yo mattl | 00:34 |
| mattl | i am no longer a member of facebook, linkedin, friendster, myspace.. soon to be gmail. | 00:34 |
| mattl | oh, twitter... er.. jaiku... er.. | 00:34 |
| mattl | other web 2.0 crap | 00:34 |
| mattl | all gone | 00:34 |
| mattl | hey ianweller | 00:34 |
| * ianweller reports mattl for high interwebs treason | 00:36 | |
| ianweller | ;) | 00:36 |
| paulproteus | mattl, What about identica? | 00:38 |
| mattl | nope. it's free. | 00:38 |
| paulproteus | Got it. | 00:38 |
| mattl | it stays. | 00:38 |
| paulproteus | I wanted to make sure I understood where you were coming from. | 00:38 |
| paulproteus | I admit that is usually painfully obvious. | 00:38 |
| mattl | i was only kidding this morning with that Open thing ;) | 00:38 |
| paulproteus | MUST STOP TROLLING | 00:38 |
| paulproteus | (at least on non-free services) | 00:38 |
| Bovinity | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/577943/how-accurate-are-the-technical-arguments-in-jwzs-ten-year-old-java-sucks-article | 00:48 |
| mattl | Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll quote Jamie Zawinksi." Now they have two problems. | 00:51 |
| mattl | ^^ -- someone else, yesterday | 00:51 |
| paulproteus | (markp) | 00:52 |
| paulproteus | NIL | 00:52 |
| mattl | paulproteus: wtf? | 00:52 |
| paulproteus | (I will send chocolate to the first person on-channel that properly groks the above.) | 00:52 |
| * paulproteus hope's it's johndoigiii | 00:52 | |
| mattl | well, i said 'what the fuck', but above that was garbage. | 00:52 |
| paulproteus | mattl, I'll see you at LibrePlanet, but no chocolate. | 00:53 |
| mattl | i don't really like chocolate anyway. | 00:53 |
| paulproteus | Sour grapes. | 00:53 |
| paulproteus | Next thing you know you'll be saying you don't like grapes. | 00:53 |
| mattl | not really. | 00:53 |
| mattl | i like cheese. | 00:53 |
| mattl | and eggs. | 00:54 |
| mattl | and altoids. | 00:54 |
| mattl | and curries. | 00:54 |
| mattl | i don't like paneer though. or eggs in curries. | 00:54 |
| * paulproteus cooks up an Altoid curry soufflé | 00:54 | |
| mattl | i also dislike haloomi, or however you say ie. | 00:54 |
| paulproteus | Haloumi. I'm so sorry to hear that. | 00:54 |
| Bovinity | there's a place in the 'loin that does a mean Altoid Balti | 00:55 |
| mattl | i can't trust it. | 00:55 |
| * paulproteus sighs and go back to #fc-disgust | 00:55 | |
| mattl | much going on? | 00:55 |
| mattl | oh jeez | 00:55 |
| mattl | someone responded to the open open open with a serious reply | 00:55 |
| mattl | berkeley's near you. | 00:55 |
| mattl | how much to go over and shout 'open!' at him? | 00:56 |
| Bovinity | when did "slashdotted" become the word to use for having something posted on slashdot? | 00:56 |
| mattl | Bovinity: since morons found slashdot? | 00:56 |
| Bovinity | mattl: you sir, get some altoids | 00:57 |
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| paulproteus | Guess it won't be johndoigiii. | 00:57 |
| mattl | yay | 00:57 |
| mattl | Bovinity: send them to 'Freedom, #500 51 Franklin St, Boston, MA 02110-1337' | 00:58 |
| paulproteus | Is that the new FSF address, "Freedom, #500"? | 00:59 |
| * paulproteus goes and updates all the packages in Debian | 01:00 | |
| paulproteus | Ubuntu will get the updates in six months. | 01:00 |
| mattl | heh. | 01:00 |
| mattl | we're in suite #500 | 01:00 |
| mattl | or Fifth Floor | 01:00 |
| paulproteus | Sweet, five hundred. | 01:00 |
| mattl | but yeah Freedom will get to us | 01:00 |
| mattl | a letter addressed to Church of Emacs got to us the other day | 01:01 |
| paulproteus | With no address or anything, just "Church of Emacs". | 01:02 |
| ianweller | as long as it has the address and zip code it doesn't matter what you call it :) | 01:02 |
| mattl | paulproteus: it was like 'church of emacs, boston' or something silly | 01:03 |
| ianweller | lol | 01:05 |
| * ianweller wants to try that now | 01:06 | |
| mattl | ianweller: we have a deal with the USPS to keep your letters in a big burning bin. | 01:07 |
| ianweller | oic | 01:07 |
| * ianweller will just not put a return address on it | 01:07 | |
| mattl | just kidding, natch | 01:07 |
| ianweller | ;) | 01:07 |
| mattl | STOP HACKING THE FSF | 01:07 |
| ianweller | ooh creative commons internships | 01:09 |
| ianweller | for graphic design internship: "Knowledge of Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign is a must." <-- *what* :P | 01:10 |
| mattl | omfg. | 01:11 |
| mattl | mlinksva: 20:08 < ianweller> for graphic design internship: "Knowledge of Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign is a must." <-- *what* :P | 01:11 |
| Bovinity | sorry, it's just what we use around here | 01:11 |
| * ianweller sets Bovinity on fire | 01:12 | |
| * paulproteus pours water on Bovinity | 01:12 | |
| * ianweller sets paulproteus on fire | 01:12 | |
| paulproteus | Hmm, seems he's alcohol-based and that's not helping. | 01:12 |
| ianweller | lol | 01:12 |
| * paulproteus dives into the fridge... | 01:12 | |
| paulproteus | ...which is unplugged for maintenance. | 01:12 |
| * mattl sets the fridge on fire | 01:12 | |
| Bovinity | oh like the fridge will help you | 01:12 |
| * paulproteus uses Steren's bottle of French wine and puts the fire out | 01:13 | |
| ianweller | yeah. more alcohol. brilliant! | 01:13 |
| ianweller | :) | 01:13 |
| * ianweller goes to find the fire extinguisher | 01:13 | |
| paulproteus | ...where is ours? | 01:14 |
| paulproteus | Under the sink. | 01:15 |
| * ianweller steals it and throws it out the window | 01:15 | |
| * ianweller points at paulproteus and laughs | 01:15 | |
| * mattl goes looking for one at the fsf | 01:15 | |
| paulproteus | Hey, I have wine. I'm fine. | 01:15 |
| mattl | ah, there it is. next to the clearly marked fire escape. | 01:16 |
| ianweller | so... does that mean the creative commons shirt i'm wearing right now was made with non-free software?! | 01:17 |
| mattl | ianweller: demand a refund. | 01:18 |
| ianweller | i demand a refund! | 01:19 |
| ianweller | mattl: how was that | 01:19 |
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| mattl | ianweller: you need to say it to mlinksva | 01:19 |
| * ianweller still finds it absolutely funny that the winning F10 artwork was originally made in photoshop :( | 01:20 | |
| ianweller | and had non-free sources | 01:21 |
| mattl | wait, i thought mairin uses only teh freesws? | 01:21 |
| ianweller | mattl: yeah she had to fix it | 01:21 |
| mattl | with photoshop?! | 01:21 |
| ianweller | poor mo almost gave herself a heart attack :( | 01:21 |
| ianweller | mattl: gimp can read psd files | 01:21 |
| mattl | aah | 01:21 |
| mattl | so, someone else is using it, not her? | 01:21 |
| ianweller | s/is/was/, yeah | 01:21 |
| ianweller | i was so pissed, because i had ranted about listing *all* of your sources on fedora-art-list like once every two weeks | 01:22 |
| ianweller | and the top two pieces of artwork... one had a katana stolen directly from a kill bill poster, and the other had lots of non-free sources | 01:22 |
| ianweller | both made by the same person | 01:22 |
| paulproteus | They should have stolen RMS's Katana. | 01:22 |
| johndoigiii | paulproteus: jeez, I missed the chocolate opp! | 01:22 |
| paulproteus | Didn't yet. | 01:23 |
| johndoigiii | maybe next tme ;) | 01:23 |
| mattl | paulproteus: if you try it, we will kill you. | 01:23 |
| ianweller | mattl: you and what katana ;) | 01:23 |
| mattl | don't make me go and get it. | 01:23 |
| mattl | funny how i know where that is, but didn't know where the extingusher was | 01:23 |
| ianweller | you don't need fire extinguishers when you have katanas | 01:23 |
| johndoigiii | hello mattl and ianweller | 01:23 |
| ianweller | johndoigiii: you | 01:24 |
| ianweller | er | 01:24 |
| ianweller | johndoigiii: yo | 01:24 |
| paulproteus | er | 01:24 |
| paulproteus | johndoigiii, ☃ | 01:24 |
| Bovinity | johndoigiii: did anyone ask you to send a photo and bio for the website yet? | 01:24 |
| johndoigiii | Bovinity: nope | 01:24 |
| Bovinity | johndoigiii: if they haven't, i am, now | 01:24 |
| johndoigiii | lol, okay | 01:24 |
| * ianweller copies that glyph and blows it up because his terminal is too damn small | 01:24 | |
| johndoigiii | what address? | 01:24 |
| Bovinity | alex@ | 01:24 |
| paulproteus | ianweller, http://xn--n3h.net/ | 01:24 |
| johndoigiii | alrighty | 01:24 |
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| ianweller | that is probably the weirdest domain ever | 01:25 |
| Bovinity | word | 01:25 |
| paulproteus | <!--Mirror of unicodesnowmanforyou.com by Cabel --> | 01:26 |
| ianweller | mattl: well if we need a source image of a katana for some future fedora artwork i now know who to bother | 01:26 |
| ianweller | ;) | 01:26 |
| mattl | http://www.gnu.org/people/jag/rms-with-katana/ | 01:26 |
| mattl | UNDER CC-BY-NC-ND-NO-WA-YM-AN license | 01:27 |
| paulproteus | Judge Advocate General RMS (with a Katana) | 01:27 |
| ianweller | mattl: that license isn't free enough for fedora | 01:28 |
| mattl | ianweller: yeah. i will take you a photo under BY-SA if you want | 01:28 |
| ianweller | i'll let ya know if we need one. | 01:29 |
| mlinksva | on the remote chance anyone has /. mod points right now, please do http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1142559&cid=27007011 | 01:31 |
| mlinksva | oh, my name | 01:32 |
| mlinksva | hi ianweller | 01:32 |
| ianweller | mlinksva: hi! | 01:33 |
| ianweller | what's up | 01:33 |
| mlinksva | i see, my understanding is that for graphic design students the names of adobe products are like kleenex -- if you said "bitmap editor" they wouldn't know wtf you were talking about. i could be wrong. if Bovinity wants to add knowledge of Gimp and Inkscape he can, but it is his intern, up to him | 01:34 |
| ianweller | oic | 01:36 |
| mlinksva | if F10 artwork was made in photoshop that is kind of sad, i admit | 01:36 |
| ianweller | mlinksva: it's original incarnation was | 01:36 |
| ianweller | but i think the author redid it from scratchi n the gimp. from memory. | 01:36 |
| mattl | nice | 01:36 |
| ianweller | i don't really remember all the details | 01:36 |
| mlinksva | http://☃.net/ | 01:40 |
| * mattl pines for utf8 | 01:41 | |
| mlinksva | damn http://☠.net is being squatted | 01:44 |
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| paulproteus | greg-g, SYN | 07:08 |
| mattl | paulproteus: SYN like 'eating phish on a phriday?' | 07:09 |
| mattl | wait | 07:10 |
| mattl | that's the opposite of sin | 07:10 |
| paulproteus | uıS | 07:10 |
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| paulproteus | Morning, yole. | 18:53 |
| nathany | morning paulproteus | 19:23 |
| nathany | quick question -- | 19:23 |
| nathany | if i were to mirror the cc.engine repository using git-svn on my local machine, would i be able to create short-lived development branches (locally) and then commit them back to svn (once i'd merged back to master/trunk)? | 19:24 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Yes. | 19:25 |
| nathany | ok, cool | 19:25 |
| nathany | i figured as much | 19:25 |
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| nathany | although now that i think about it i'll probably save figuring it out for another day since we have all those svn:externals in there | 19:26 |
| johndoigiii | is there any sort of control mechanism on the git repo where an admin must approve before items can be committed? | 19:32 |
| nathany | johndoigiii: no | 19:33 |
| nathany | (you mean pushed? :) | 19:33 |
| nathany | commits are all local until you push them | 19:33 |
| johndoigiii | ahh yes, sorry I meant push | 19:33 |
| nathany | no, if you can checkout using the git@code.cc syntax, you can push | 19:33 |
| johndoigiii | ohh okay good | 19:35 |
| johndoigiii | push just went through, thx | 19:35 |
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| Bovinity | oh markp... such biting criticism | 19:51 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity, ? | 19:52 |
| Bovinity | http://identi.ca/notice/2510955 | 19:52 |
| Bovinity | also http://identi.ca/notice/2510212 | 19:52 |
| nathany | go easy, he's an old cranky man who apparently doesn't read good ;) | 19:53 |
| paulproteus | diveintotrite | 19:53 |
| nathany | diveintogofuckyourself | 19:53 |
| * paulproteus wonders what he should do with diveintomarx.org again | 19:53 | |
| * paulproteus tiptoes away from nathany | 19:53 | |
| nathany | LOL | 19:53 |
| Bovinity | hahah | 19:53 |
| nathany | sorry, it's one of those mornings (that wasn't directed at you, paulproteus) | 19:54 |
| paulproteus | (Natch) | 19:54 |
| nathany | johndoigiii: just looked @ your commits | 19:56 |
| nathany | awesome | 19:56 |
| nathany | i left some feedback on the ticket re: messaging | 19:56 |
| nathany | i can't remember what happens if the login view doesn't have a redirect target -- it goes to the front page? | 19:57 |
| nathany | i wonder if it should go to their profile page | 19:57 |
| Bovinity | i agree - profile page | 19:57 |
| nathany | i also wonder if we shouldn't look for http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/settings/#logout-url instead of "logout" in the redirect target | 19:58 |
| nathany | i'll open a ticket since and assign to you | 19:58 |
| johndoigiii | alrighty sounds good | 19:59 |
| johndoigiii | yeah it would redirect to the front page if there is no target set the way its set up right now | 20:00 |
| nathany | yeah, i think the profile page is probably more useful | 20:01 |
| nathany | (the front page is a little lame once you've signed up) | 20:01 |
| johndoigiii | agreed | 20:01 |
| nathany | johndoigiii: are you comfortable with me assigning a few cc network tickets to you? | 20:12 |
| nathany | if you have questions about what they mean, etc, we can talk about it face to face next week | 20:12 |
| johndoigiii | nathany: definitely | 20:12 |
| nathany | great | 20:13 |
| johndoigiii | thx | 20:13 |
| robmyers | hi | 20:16 |
| robmyers | I'm trying to install liblicense on debian lenny. Is that a good idea? ;-) | 20:16 |
| paulproteus | robmyers, Yes! | 20:16 |
| paulproteus | I guess we could host backports. | 20:16 |
| paulproteus | Do you know how to build Debian packages from source? | 20:17 |
| paulproteus | If so, I urge you to build the packages in Debian unstable for lenny. | 20:17 |
| robmyers | well I can build the software, I'm a debian package newbie though | 20:17 |
| paulproteus | What architecture? | 20:18 |
| robmyers | when I install it and call license, I get- | 20:18 |
| robmyers | license: error while loading shared libraries: liblicense.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 20:18 |
| robmyers | i386 | 20:18 |
| robmyers | what am I doing wrong plz? ;-) | 20:18 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, because you installed it in /usr/local/ and Debian doesn't put /usr/local/lib/ into your ld.so.conf. | 20:18 |
| paulproteus | ...hmm, it seems to maybe actually. | 20:19 |
| paulproteus | But anyway I think that's the reason. | 20:19 |
| robmyers | ah ok | 20:19 |
| robmyers | so if I set the prefix to /usr that shold do it? | 20:19 |
| robmyers | silly Debian ;-) | 20:19 |
| paulproteus | Well, I wouldn't do that. | 20:20 |
| paulproteus | Either: | 20:20 |
| paulproteus | $ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/ license | 20:20 |
| paulproteus | or | 20:20 |
| paulproteus | let's fix your ld.so.conf. (Though on my lenny system it *is* there.) | 20:20 |
| robmyers | HMM | 20:20 |
| robmyers | errr hmm | 20:20 |
| paulproteus | Try the first one first. | 20:20 |
| paulproteus | Using the /usr prefix for hand-built packages is Bad News. | 20:20 |
| robmyers | I laugh in the face of decades of UNIX experience, but OK ;-) 1sec | 20:21 |
| robmyers | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/ license | 20:21 |
| robmyers | The system default license is (null). | 20:21 |
| robmyers | kewl | 20:21 |
| paulproteus | Yay! | 20:21 |
| robmyers | hmmm | 20:22 |
| robmyers | ld.so.conf should include libc.conf, which has /usr/local/lib | 20:23 |
| robmyers | I need the path fixed as I am after the ruby interface ;-) | 20:23 |
| nathany | isn't there some step to make it really, really update the library cache, paulproteus? (this seems to be tickling a faint memory) | 20:23 |
| nathany | robmyers: the ruby interface may be... sub-optimal; just a warning | 20:24 |
| robmyers | heh | 20:24 |
| Bovinity | ldconfig --just-make-it-fucking-work | 20:24 |
| robmyers | ok I may just use the shell script interface then | 20:24 |
| robmyers | LL | 20:24 |
| robmyers | LOL | 20:24 |
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| robmyers | right, settling a small child to sleep, back in a bit | 20:25 |
| nathany | Bovinity actually did the ruby bindings but i don't think he's touched them lately... but he's saying (in the office) that they should still work | 20:25 |
| robmyers | thanks for all the help so far | 20:25 |
| robmyers | ok, ta | 20:25 |
| paulproteus | robmyers, When you say "ta," what does it mean to you? | 20:39 |
| robmyers | it's a contraction of "thank you" | 20:39 |
| robmyers | vaguely northern english I think | 20:39 |
| robmyers | why, am I swearing in another language again? ;-) | 20:40 |
| robmyers | OK, went for a shell script that sets the LD path | 20:59 |
| robmyers | thanks again | 20:59 |
| Bovinity | vaguely northern english is correct | 21:01 |
| Bovinity | ;) | 21:01 |
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| paulproteus | (-:, Bovinity | 21:06 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: SYN | 22:27 |
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