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| nkinkade | nathany: Did you say that a7 requires python 2.4? | 16:45 |
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| nkinkade | (and a5) | 16:46 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yes | 16:47 |
| nathany | more specifically, cc.engine does | 16:47 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I'm thinking to upgrade a7 shortly. I'll make sure python2.4 stays put. | 16:48 |
| nkinkade | There will likely be some hopefully short disruptions of service on a7 as it happens. | 16:49 |
| nathany | got it | 16:49 |
| nkinkade | The major problem on a9 yesterday was Apache, SSL and the bad config files. | 16:49 |
| nkinkade | So, I expect it go about like a6, with just a minute or so of downtime. | 16:49 |
| nathany | makes sense | 16:50 |
| nathany | btw, another data point in the a9 weirdness | 16:50 |
| nathany | http://support.creativecommons.org:8080/ redirects to https://support.creativecommons.org:8080/ | 16:51 |
| nathany | i wonder if it's at all instructive to compare the redirection setups on cc.net and support.cc.org; maybe there's something there? | 16:51 |
| nathany | FWIW | 16:51 |
| nkinkade | Good idea. | 16:51 |
| nkinkade | But what's happening makes sense because we redirect any and all non-SSL traffic to HTTPS. | 16:52 |
| nkinkade | Was that redirect not expected by you for some reason? | 16:52 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: i'd expect a redirect, but i'd expect it to go to port 443 | 17:38 |
| nathany | i was just thinking that maybe that port mistake was what caused the weirdness we saw | 17:38 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Ah. Apparently the Apache variable %{HTTP_HOST} includes the :<port>, which I was using for the redirect for support. It works as expected now. | 17:45 |
| nkinkade | I have also combined the http and https vhosts for support and CC Net into single vhost files. | 17:46 |
| nathany | cool | 17:46 |
| nkinkade | (with 2 vhosts in each file) | 17:46 |
| nathany | so that was the problem, then? | 17:46 |
| nathany | ah | 17:46 |
| nkinkade | Apparently so. | 17:46 |
| nathany | nevermind | 17:46 |
| nathany | oh, ok :) | 17:46 |
| nkinkade | I asked on #apache and got the normal "ssl vhost" reply | 17:46 |
| nkinkade | A couple people said that the old config was invalid, but couldn't explain why it was working fine on 2.2.3. | 17:47 |
| nkinkade | I suspect you were right, that Apache decided to not passively allow bad configs. | 17:47 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Re a9 and mysql passwords, did you have a change to look at that? | 17:48 |
| nathany | nkinkade: haven't yet | 17:54 |
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| nathany | Bovinity: http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/ | 19:40 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Ignore the ccMixter warning. | 20:16 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: I'm going to hold off till Monday to upgrade a7, just FYI. | 21:44 |
| nathany | great | 21:44 |
| nathany | er, ok | 21:44 |
| nathany | whatever :) | 21:44 |
| nkinkade | I didn't get to it today and I'm heading visit my cousin in 1.5 hours, and don't want to get myself into a bind if the whole thing blows up. | 21:44 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 21:44 |
| nathany | sounds like a sensible approach :) | 21:45 |
| nkinkade | It's a bit of a self-serving approach, but it's working now, so no harm in letting hum along till Monday. :-) | 21:46 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i've found that self serving often nicely overlaps with sensible and org serving :) | 21:47 |
| paulproteus | Eh, seven. | 21:50 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, nkinkade, Jane wants to toy with the skin that White Whale made, and it is PHP. | 21:55 |
| nkinkade | And .. ? | 21:55 |
| paulproteus | (Working on it; was interrupted by rejon) | 21:55 |
| paulproteus | So that she can try out some changes (and show it off to people coming to visit next week), I think she ought to have an account on one of the servers that runs PHP. | 21:56 |
| paulproteus | That, or I could set up PHP on her laptop, but making her an Apache sysadmin doesn't sound like the best plan to me. | 21:56 |
| paulproteus | My question is, (a) does this pass a sanity-check, and (b) what machine should I giver her the account on? | 21:57 |
| nathany | so just giving her an account on labs and a public_html directory? | 21:57 |
| paulproteus | Ya. | 21:57 |
| nathany | (does she know php?) | 21:57 |
| paulproteus | (No, but she can hack HTML and ignore PHP.) | 21:57 |
| nathany | sounds sane, one question; if she can ignore the PHP, is it doing anything useful? | 21:57 |
| nathany | ie, is saving with .html enough? | 21:57 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Are you expecting her to use a shell and nano? | 21:58 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, No, I'd teach her an FTP client or something. | 21:58 |
| nathany | assuming you mean SFTP, great :) | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | Then we'd need to setup an FTP server. | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, what nathany said. | 21:59 |
| paulproteus | Turns out many "FTP clients" do SFTP these days. | 21:59 |
| paulproteus | I meant from a UI perspective, not from a protocol perspective. | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | That sounds right. | 21:59 |
| nathany | so renaming is not enough then? | 21:59 |
| paulproteus | I'll investigate that now, nathany. | 22:00 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I have no problem with that really. | 22:00 |
| nathany | (i haven't seen the files, not sure how much/why they need PHP) | 22:00 |
| nathany | great | 22:00 |
| nkinkade | It's a Mediawiki thing right? | 22:00 |
| nkinkade | If so, those theme/skin files are a horrid mess of PHP and HTML, it's truly heinous. | 22:00 |
| nathany | nkinkade: the result will be MW | 22:01 |
| nkinkade | Great, another wiki, just what we need. :-) | 22:02 |
| nathany | they created what appeared to be basic HTML as their work product (that we're translating) | 22:02 |
| nathany | don't worry, it's already created | 22:02 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, This will replace the CC Learn Community wiki, so it's not quite another wiki. | 22:05 |
| paulproteus | nathany, The sliding bar at the bottom requires PHP. | 22:05 |
| nathany | *really*? | 22:05 |
| nathany | i thought it was just javascript | 22:05 |
| nathany | that's... distasteful | 22:06 |
| paulproteus | It's actually just HTML inclusion. | 22:06 |
| nathany | oh | 22:06 |
| paulproteus | iirc | 22:06 |
| paulproteus | So it's not too bad. | 22:06 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: If you create Jane an account, perhaps you could make an scponly one. | 22:13 |
| nkinkade | That's what I did for Michelle a long time ago and it works well for her. | 22:14 |
| nkinkade | It's not chrooted, so it's probably not terribly more secure, but it feels a little better. | 22:15 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Turns out I'll just have Jane edit the CC Learn community wiki, so no need for the shell. | 22:25 |
| paulproteus | She'll just edit text and wait for me to make the design. | 22:25 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, FYI those image path issues are resolved and I'm going to deploy this crazy alpha thing on the community wiki now. | 23:00 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: why does bash tab completion not work on a9? is it me? | 23:01 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: "cd /var/www/su-sh: <( compgen -d -- '/var/www/su' ): No such file or directory" | 23:01 |
| paulproteus | I doubt it's you. I vaguely recall having seen this on other Debian systems. | 23:06 |
| nkinkade | nathany: paulproteus: By the way, a5 hasn't had a problem in a while, it would appear that the change to FCGI was good. Thanks for that. | 23:06 |
| nathany | thank paulproteus :) | 23:07 |
| nathany | ("thanks, paulproteus") | 23:07 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I don't know, let me see if I have that problem on a9. | 23:07 |
| paulproteus | Aww, you're velcome. | 23:07 |
| paulproteus | Thank the author of Chinese FastCGI! | 23:07 |
| paulproteus | Also, me, I suppose. | 23:07 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 23:07 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: tab completion works okay for me on a9, and it also works for me when I do: sudo su - alex | 23:08 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: could it have something to do with your terminal application? | 23:08 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, I doubt it, fwiw. | 23:08 |
| Bovinity | hm, works fine when i load another bash | 23:09 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity, But moving your .bashrc and .bash_profile out of your home for a bit and see if it works? | 23:09 |
| paulproteus | I would guess it's profile-but-not-bashrc related if it only fails for a login shell. | 23:09 |
| paulproteus | I love Chinese FastCGI. It's ruthless. | 23:09 |
| paulproteus | And it has such a fantastically bad website. | 23:09 |
| Bovinity | (also works fine when i "bash -l" into a login shell...) | 23:10 |
| nathany | paulproteus: btw, i meant to ask, is there a debian package? | 23:10 |
| * Bovinity shrugs. nevermind then. | 23:10 | |
| nathany | (lib-apache2-mod-chinese-fcgi?) | 23:10 |
| paulproteus | libapache2-mod-fcgi. They don't emphasize the "Hacked by Chinese" part, but that's oh-so-crucial for me. | 23:11 |
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| paulproteus | Maybe it's just because I have fond memories of the Code Red worm <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_Red_worm>. | 23:12 |
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