| paulproteus | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit?p=ahabskin.git;a=summary | 00:00 |
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| paulproteus | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit?p=ahabskin.git;a=blob;f=from_whitewhale/styles/opened.css;h=213007da81e919920d6e975ec3ca09ebba1bdf33;hb=HEAD should probably have its h2 and h3 changed to match Jane's JPEG. | 00:00 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity, I shouldn't be joining you all, should I...? | 00:02 |
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| Philipp_ | Hi all! Is it OK to announce a Creative Commons project here? | 00:30 |
| paulproteus | Sure, chat away. | 00:33 |
| paulproteus | You may also find the CC Community list a good outlet. | 00:33 |
| Philipp_ | Thanks. Our project launched this week and contains 250,000+ Creative Commons licensed drawings: http://sketchory.com/ | 00:34 |
| Philipp_ | They can also be played as animation showing how they were drawn... | 00:34 |
| Philipp_ | We added non-commercial CC for all sketches... plus an additional commercial license for 5000 of choice... | 00:35 |
| Philipp_ | well, feedback welcome, and we hope to spread the word on this. :) | 00:36 |
| paulproteus | The animation aspect is really interesting for budding sketchers. | 00:36 |
| Bovinity | paulproteus: fixed that css | 00:37 |
| paulproteus | w00t! | 00:37 |
| paulproteus | Pushed too? | 00:37 |
| Bovinity | aye skipper | 00:37 |
| paulproteus | I pulled and I get http://learn.creativecommons.org/community/For_Learners | 00:40 |
| paulproteus | The columns have gone away...? | 00:40 |
| Bovinity | i didn't touch that! | 00:40 |
| Philipp_ | By the way, I was wondering how to link to our CC+ license... so that search engines know the pics are available as CC+... | 00:40 |
| Philipp_ | I know rel="license" but that works best for normal CC... | 00:40 |
| paulproteus | Philipp_, ccREL shows how to handle that. | 00:41 |
| Bovinity | paulproteus: sorry. for some reason i closed a css block with )... er. pull again. | 00:41 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity, will do | 00:41 |
| paulproteus | Philipp_, http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcREL gives an example of how to to add a cc:morePermissions link. | 00:42 |
| Philipp_ | thanks yes, I read that, but... I wanted to link to only one license page to make it really easy on people: the CC+ sharing page on our site, which then links to the two separate license... | 00:42 |
| Philipp_ | here is our Share page: http://sketchory.com/share ... | 00:42 |
| Philipp_ | we link to that Share page from every image, but of course search engines would need the rel="license" bit pointing to a CC license, right... which we only do once you're on that Share page. | 00:43 |
| paulproteus | Because you're not putting the morePermissions link on every page or the rel="license" on every page, the search engines can't know that every page has those properties. | 00:43 |
| paulproteus | You could dive into the RDFa specification and try to find other ways to add these facts to your 'Share' page, but that seems like a lot of work to me. | 00:44 |
| Philipp_ | yeah, i know... | 00:44 |
| paulproteus | So, it's up to you. | 00:44 |
| paulproteus | Search-engine (and, generally, web information spider) compatibility, or your way.... | 00:44 |
| Philipp_ | perhaps we might just include a hidden but expandable bit on every page linking to the CC using rel="license". | 00:44 |
| paulproteus | I think that makes enough sense. Next to that you could even add the morePermissions link. | 00:45 |
| paulproteus | (Which is how you would add metadata indicating the CC+ URL for those works.) | 00:45 |
| Bovinity | paulproteus: this time it works. promise. | 00:45 |
| Philipp_ | yes, but I believe CC+ takes a bit of explaining, so it explodes the scope of the footnote on every page... | 00:45 |
| Philipp_ | by the way, is the RDF comment metadata inclusion right into the HTML completely deprectated? I did that some years ago, and it would work nicely here... | 00:45 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity, Oooh! | 00:45 |
| Philipp_ | but I'm not sure search engines still understand it? | 00:46 |
| paulproteus | I'm not sure search engines ever really took it seriously. | 00:46 |
| paulproteus | Regardless, it's completely deprecated in favor of RDFa, which should be able to express anything the RDF-in-a-comment could express. | 00:46 |
| Philipp_ | do they take rel="license" seriously? | 00:46 |
| paulproteus | Yes, plus Yahoo Search Monkey shows that Yahoo can use all RDFa, not just license. | 00:46 |
| paulproteus | (e.g. including cc:morePermissions) | 00:46 |
| paulproteus | And presumably other search engines will be picking on RDFa in further depth in the future. | 00:47 |
| Philipp_ | have to dig into understanding RDFa in the future then. I guess for now -- and for Google as well -- rel="license" seems to be the only option (?) | 00:48 |
| paulproteus | Yup, rel="license" is the best way to add a license; it's compatible with everything, and it's even valid RDFa. | 00:49 |
| paulproteus | wiki.creativecommons.org/RDFa may be of use to you one day; wiki.creativecommons.org/ccREL should put all this into perspective. | 00:49 |
| Philipp_ | I think differently put, my core problem/ question was: "how can I find a nice way to include rel='license' considering the main link should point to our CC+ explanation" :) | 00:49 |
| Philipp_ | perhaps I will be creative in the footer. Thanks Paul :) | 00:50 |
| paulproteus | Sure thing (BTW, I'm Asheesh on CC tech staff, I just have a weird nick). | 00:50 |
| Philipp_ | perhaps I can write "... you can _share_ (using _CC_ _+_) the images ..." <-- that would allow 3 links, the second one pointing straight to CC... | 00:50 |
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| paulproteus | I think that's sensible. | 00:52 |
| Philipp_ | cool, the godfather of CC replied in the CC mailing list! :) | 00:56 |
| Philipp_ | just rel="license" on a link pointing to the CC license is enough right? | 01:02 |
| Philipp_ | going to bed, thanks again! | 01:06 |
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| greg-g | define "enough" ;) | 01:09 |
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| andrey22 | hi | 02:55 |
| andrey22 | is here anyone from CC team? | 02:56 |
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| paulproteus | andrey22, Yes. | 05:41 |
| paulproteus | What do you need? | 05:41 |
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| miik | http://sciencecommons.org/ | 18:18 |
| miik | creative commons for science | 18:18 |
| miik | yay :D | 18:18 |
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| mattl | paulproteus: i would like to announce my intention to create piecommons.org -- creative commons, but only for pies. | 18:49 |
| mattl | We will have Attribution, Attribution-BakeAlike, and Attribution-NoCheese, for mlinksva. We might also have a Not-Dead category for meat pies. | 18:50 |
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| ianweller | mattl: l o l. | 19:02 |
| mattl | ianweller: Will Fedora support the Free Pie movement? | 19:03 |
| ianweller | i bet you they will | 19:04 |
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| qubodup | hello | 21:13 |
| qubodup | Can someone link me a youtube video licensed under a cc license? I can't find anything except news about that there are such videos | 21:13 |
| mattl | qubodup: http://www.google.com/search?as_sitesearch=youtube.com&as_rights=(cc_publicdomain|cc_attribute|cc_sharealike|cc_nonderived).-(cc_noncommercial) -- it appears there are none yet. | 21:22 |
| qubodup | :| | 21:25 |
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| isforinsects | mattl piecommons++ | 23:01 |
| mattl | isforinsects: what are you doing tonight? wanna come to a party? | 23:02 |
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| isforinsects | mattl: the Silo-crew++ is working on a 24/7 hackathon @berkman | 23:06 |
| isforinsects | tim, etc | 23:06 |
| isforinsects | you should come by, we have 16 hrs to go here | 23:06 |
| mattl | silo-crew++ ? | 23:07 |
| cronin | How does one define "commercial"? If one were to collect donations from an application, is that commercial? | 23:07 |
| isforinsects | Oh, the HelloSilo crew, plus some assorted geeks | 23:07 |
| mattl | cronin: don't license software under a CC license :) | 23:07 |
| cronin | mattl: huh? | 23:07 |
| mattl | cronin: CC licenses are not for software. If you want a software license, use GPL for ShareAlike or the Expat license for non-ShareAlike :) | 23:08 |
| cronin | Oh... interesting. What are CC licenses for then? | 23:08 |
| mattl | Creative Works. | 23:08 |
| mattl | Photos, videos, books. | 23:08 |
| cronin | It's a Facebook application too... not sure if that's considered "software" | 23:08 |
| cronin | Oh I see | 23:08 |
| mattl | Um, yeah. | 23:08 |
| mattl | Facebook app would be software. | 23:09 |
| cronin | Okay thanks | 23:09 |
| mattl | No problems :) | 23:09 |
| mattl | isforinsects, ianweller, paulproteus: http://matt.lee.name/img/pc.png | 23:09 |
| isforinsects | Facebook apps... are weird | 23:09 |
| cronin | isforinsects: how so? | 23:09 |
| isforinsects | They were a great thing (for certain non mattl friendly values of 'great') to get into in the first few months | 23:10 |
| mattl | haha | 23:10 |
| isforinsects | but now? The order of entry effects are so huge... | 23:10 |
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| isforinsects | 82 out of the top 100 apps were released in the first 8 weeks | 23:12 |
| isforinsects | and the graph of #apps having #users is really really shallow | 23:12 |
| cronin | oh i see, yeah, the apps i develop are for political campaigns so they just usually mail their list and tell them to join... | 23:12 |
| isforinsects | I would use Causes for that actually | 23:14 |
| isforinsects | They have a really robust platform IMO | 23:14 |
| isforinsects | or the built in 'fan' pages system | 23:14 |
| isforinsects | Just plug into what exists there | 23:14 |
| cronin | yeah, the applications interface with those | 23:14 |
| cronin | for instance, the one i am working on now is an sms application that will plug into all of those | 23:15 |
| cronin | i've never dealt with mobile phone numbers so i want to make sure i can't be liable for any misuse | 23:15 |
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