Monday, 2008-12-15

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paulproteusMorning, nkinkade.15:45
nkinkadeHi, paulproteus.15:47
paulproteusI haven't slept, so I might be a little more incoherent than usual today.15:52
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greg-gwe don't translate back into english ported licenses?16:53
greg-gnkinkade: ^16:53
greg-gor, do we have english versions of the legalcode for ported licenses?16:54
nkinkadegreg-g: Not that I'm aware of.16:54
greg-gok16:54
nkinkadegreg-g: The closest thing to that would be the license drafts that were converted to English for the sake of Catharina.16:54
nkinkadeThose can be found on each jurisdictions /international page.16:54
greg-gnot found: http://creativecommons.at/international16:55
nkinkadegreg-g: That sould be http://creativecommons.org/international/at/17:13
greg-gahhhhhh :)17:15
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Bovinitym3cr3d1s: know anything about who made the image on http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Birthday_Party_2008 ?19:05
m3cr3d1sno man19:05
m3cr3d1swas wonderign what that was19:05
Bovinityhmm, michelle uploaded it at least19:07
m3cr3d1sfair enough19:12
nkinkadepaulproteus: Where is the database for Pootle?19:21
paulproteusnkinkade, It's documented in teamspace.creativecommons.org/Pootle19:22
paulproteusBut the answer is $HOME/pootle/Pootle/stats.db I think.19:22
paulproteus(Off the top of my head)19:22
nkinkadepaulproteus: Ah.  I thought it was a MySQL things.19:22
paulproteusNope, SQLite "for now"19:23
nkinkadeIs there a client I can use to browse it?19:23
paulproteusI sometimes use KNoda.19:23
paulproteusYou could /usr/bin/sqlite3.19:23
nkinkadepaulproteus: I'm concerned that there may have been a slight issue with the migration of users.19:23
paulproteusTell me more.19:23
nkinkadeThe CC Jordan lead wasn't a member of any projects, so he couldn't admin anything.19:24
nkinkadeI set this for him in his profile and it works now.19:24
paulproteusKay...19:24
nkinkadeHe may have de-selected it himself by accident.19:24
nkinkadeBut it also occurs to me that it'd be worth checking to make sure that all the admin users have the cc_org project selected.19:24
nkinkadeIf not, then surely something went wrong with the migration.19:25
nkinkadepaulproteus: I just looked, and it would appear that very few people actually are associated with any projects.19:31
paulproteusThat sounds tragic.19:31
paulproteusI wonder why I didn't get mroe complaints.19:31
paulproteusI should fix that.19:31
paulproteusI will later today.19:31
nkinkade56 our of 528 users.19:32
nkinkadeI'll send an email as a reminder and to document it.19:33
paulproteusAwesome.19:33
paulproteusI'll try to fix it today, but it'll probably be way later in the day.19:33
nkinkadeNo problem.  It's not a huge deal, and for those that it's a real problem we'll be hearing from them.19:35
m3cr3d1sBovinity: nkinkade can you add http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/11475 to http://support.creativecommons.org/videos/19:54
m3cr3d1sthanks19:54
nkinkadem3cr3d1s: Yeah.  I'll add that.19:55
m3cr3d1sgreat19:55
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nkinkadeWait, m3cr3d1s, what part of that do you want at /videos?20:14
m3cr3d1sjust the video?20:14
nkinkadeYou mean this URL: http://creativecommons.org/media-that-matters-video20:15
nkinkade?20:15
m3cr3d1syeah20:15
m3cr3d1ssorry20:15
m3cr3d1sthat was the most convenient URL20:15
greg-gm3cr3d1s: re twitter: no.20:20
m3cr3d1sgreg-g: thanks20:22
m3cr3d1s:)20:22
greg-g:)20:28
nkinkadem3cr3d1s: Does this work for you? http://support.creativecommons.org/videos/20:29
m3cr3d1slooks good, though the dimensions seem a little off20:31
nkinkadem3cr3d1s: A little wide?20:31
nkinkadeI thought so to, but that was the embed code that blip.tv gave me.  I guess I could tweak it.20:32
m3cr3d1sindeed20:32
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m3cr3d1sneed to fix that20:37
m3cr3d1swas hacking around with the player20:37
nathanym3cr3d1s: can you ping me when you upload photos from friday so i can add a link to the wiki?20:42
m3cr3d1snathany: sure thing will work on them now20:45
greg-gnathany: you will be interested in the first item of my blog post: http://ur1.ca/08yf20:51
Bovinitym3cr3d1s: are we going to start having a lot of videos and videos with their own pages?20:51
nkinkadem3cr3d1s: It's better now.  I wonder why the embed code that blip.tv gave was so wildly off.20:51
nkinkadeI was wondering about that.  Pretty soon the /videos page is going to get unwieldy.20:52
Bovinityalso having a ton of /next-great-video pages is going to be noisy, organisation wise20:52
nkinkadeMaybe we could have a single page with links and brief descriptions of the videos that link to individual pages with the videos.20:52
Bovinitythat's what i was attempting to mold /about/videos into, it's not entirely there yet20:53
nkinkadeAnother option would be to have a page describing each video that just links to blip.tv.20:53
Bovinityalso, /about/videos20:53
nkinkadeIf we want to avoid a tangle of /next-great-video pages.20:54
Bovinityit links to blip.tv for each video, with a description20:54
nkinkadeMaybe we could include a small snapshot of the initial video image next to each description.20:54
m3cr3d1sBovinity: yeah, I was starting to worry about this20:54
nkinkadeThe same frame that shows be default before a video is played.20:54
Bovinitywhat i like about the individual video pages is all the CC licensing info and other content20:55
m3cr3d1sBovinity: yeah, that's crucial20:55
m3cr3d1sWP allows for page categorization20:55
Bovinityit does? is this new?20:55
m3cr3d1shrm20:55
m3cr3d1sit won't do stuff like MW20:55
m3cr3d1swhere you have sub pages20:55
Bovinitywe do sub pages already20:56
m3cr3d1slike Legal Concepts is a sub page of About20:56
m3cr3d1syeah, thats what I meant20:56
nkinkadeAnything to be able to view a list of all of them in once place would be good.20:56
m3cr3d1snkinkade: all the attribution & etc of the pages?20:56
m3cr3d1sor just the titles20:56
Bovinitytitles from a page linked to a detail page is fine, if we keep it consistent20:56
m3cr3d1syeah20:57
m3cr3d1sso I think its important to have videos have their own pages20:57
m3cr3d1spreferably in wordpress20:57
Bovinitycan we retroactively do that to the other videos?20:57
m3cr3d1sBovinity: thats fine, though it would be nice to setup redirects20:57
m3cr3d1sor rather just make sure there are no 404s20:57
nkinkadeI've wanted to get the videos out of Drupal anyway.20:57
Bovinitym3cr3d1s: naturally20:58
Bovinitym3cr3d1s: have you seen creativecommons.conf? ;P20:58
m3cr3d1sI don't believe so20:58
nkinkadeIt would be nice if the support stuff was only CiviCRM and the store.20:58
Bovinityyes, videos should not be on support any more20:58
nkinkadeI can take it upon myself to migrate all of them and setup of the proper redirects for the existing ones if either of you would like to create sample video page that I can use as a template.20:59
nkinkadeBovinity: m3cr3d1s ^^20:59
Bovinity /about/videos is currently the hub, whcih links videos to their blips.. i think i set asharedculture to link to its page.20:59
m3cr3d1syeah I mean the template that I used for asharedculture and mtm-video20:59
m3cr3d1sis basically ideal21:00
m3cr3d1sif that makes sense?21:00
Bovinityyeah21:00
Bovinityit's unfortunate that cc.org/videos/ is the root for the old video creative commoner interviews. which kinda screws things up.21:01
m3cr3d1shrm21:01
m3cr3d1swhy?21:01
m3cr3d1soh21:01
Bovinityoh, i'm mistaken, it's just a 40421:01
m3cr3d1snot bad21:01
m3cr3d1sbetter than mirrors.cc21:01
Bovinityso we could root everything in /videos/21:02
paulproteusSupport the Christian Coalition.21:02
m3cr3d1sthat'd be great21:02
Bovinitywith links from /about/ just for extra visibility21:02
m3cr3d1syep21:02
m3cr3d1sor rather which /about/ links to, if I understand it?21:02
Bovinityyeah21:02
m3cr3d1sk21:02
Bovinitywe'd have a /videos/ landing page too21:03
nkinkadeBovinity: m3cr3d1s: I'll get that going tomorrow.21:03
nkinkadeSound good?21:03
Bovinityyup21:03
m3cr3d1ssure thing21:04
m3cr3d1ssorry for making such a mess for you to clean up21:04
m3cr3d1sthe wiki would be where I try to put most of this21:04
nkinkadeDammit m3cr3d1s!21:04
nkinkade;-)21:04
m3cr3d1sbut ... not totally friendly to the HTML I was doing21:04
m3cr3d1shaha21:04
Bovinitykeeping it on WP saves user confusion - for the pretty pictures21:05
m3cr3d1saight back to tech summit photos21:05
m3cr3d1syeah21:05
nkinkadeBut having /videos on support has been bugging me anyway, so this is just a juncture to take care of it once and for all, and the long we wait the more rewrite rules we are going to need.21:05
m3cr3d1sindeed21:05
Bovinityyep21:05
m3cr3d1sand rewrite rules make baby jesus cry21:05
m3cr3d1sso21:05
Bovinitybaby jesus needs a xanax whenever he reads our conf file.21:06
m3cr3d1shahah21:06
nkinkadeI often feel the need for one too.21:06
nkinkade(when I read the conf file, that is!)21:06
nkinkade:-)21:06
m3cr3d1sok back to photos21:06
m3cr3d1slates21:06
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nathanygreg-g: awesome! re-blog @ cc.org?21:07
nkinkadenathany: Are you or someone else going to send out a recap of the Tech Summit, or post some notes, videos, etc.?  Or maybe it's there and I didn't see it!21:09
nathanynkinkade: so frank psuedo-live-blogged it @ labs21:09
* paulproteus read those21:09
nathanywe'll have video and audio at some point -- probably after the first of the year by the time we get the DVD/CD from MIT, rip, transcode and upload21:10
Bovinityit's pseudo-just like being there21:10
nathanyi'll probably do a follow-up blog post once i have everyone's slides online21:10
nathany(sending out reminders to speakers now)21:10
nkinkadeCool.  Thanks.21:11
m3cr3d1sphotos will be done shortly21:11
m3cr3d1sbut my upload pipe is crippled21:11
* m3cr3d1s reminds himself to look into Fios this week21:11
paulproteusBy all those Gentoo ISOs you're bittorrenting.21:11
paulproteusOne thing I loved about being at a .edu was the upload speeds.21:11
nathanym3cr3d1s: FIOS is the only interweb thing i miss about indiana21:12
paulproteusnathany, You can get muni fiber here, actually.21:12
nathanyhuh?21:12
nathanyreally?21:12
nathanyme want that21:12
paulproteusI haven't checked the pricing, and I think you have to bring your own IP address.21:12
m3cr3d1syeah21:12
nathanyoh, that sounds considerably less appealing21:13
m3cr3d1spaulproteus: uploading uncompressed version of Media That Matters video to LegalTorrents, actually21:13
nathanypaulproteus: link to muni fiber info ?21:13
m3cr3d1ssomehow getting 119kbs up which is about double usual rates21:13
paulproteushttp://www.ipnetworksinc.com/21:13
greg-gnathany: should probably wait until it is more than just gabriel's personal git repo? :)21:13
paulproteusI tried calling them once about pricing but I got voicemail.21:14
nathanygreg-g: i suppose :)21:14
nathanygreg-g: is his personal repo publicly available? I'm curious how hard it was to implement license detection21:14
greg-gone sec21:14
greg-ghttp://banshee-project.org/~gburt/banshee.git21:15
nathanypaulproteus: hrm; they don't give pricing on the webiste -- not a good sign21:15
nathanyi'm guessing it's prohibitively expensive for home use21:15
greg-gnathany: in src/Core/Banshee.Core/Banshee.Collection/LicenseInfo.cs21:15
paulproteus"If you have to ask..." (-;21:15
nathanyexactly21:15
nathanygreg-g: interesting... maybe this will force me to look at C#21:21
greg-gnathany: I've heard good things (and ignored all the "MS PATENTS WILL KILL YOU" comments)21:24
paulproteusMe too.21:24
paulproteusI just get frustrated when my friend at MS Research then sounds smug about it.21:24
nathanygreg-g: paulproteus: yeah, as with most things I suspect the truth lies at neither end of that spectrum21:25
greg-glike "you open sourcies are digging out technology!"?21:25
greg-gs/out/our/21:25
paulproteusHe likes to use "weenies" whenever he can.21:25
paulproteusPresumably he's invoking "Netscape engineers are weenies".21:26
greg-gwow.21:26
paulproteusHe used that before he went to MS, I'm pretty sure, though.21:26
paulproteushttp://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-239273.html for those who weren't keeping score in the twentieth century.21:28
Bovinityreminds me of http://www.jwz.org/doc/censorzilla.html21:29
greg-gBovinity: that is what I thought of, also.21:30
paulproteusExcept that's not a remotely exploitable security hole. But sure. (-:21:31
Bovinityrather the netscape engineers part :P21:32
paulproteusAh (-:21:32
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nathanynkinkade: thanks for approving that transfer21:38
nathanywe're actually going to run this in the Google App Engine as something of an experiment21:38
nathanylet me find the DNS stuff and email it to you21:38
nkinkadeAh, that's right I forgot about that, but I recall you saying it.21:41
nkinkadePretty soon Google and Amazon will control the world.21:41
* greg-g nods21:44
greg-gThat is going to be a big push by the Ubuntu Server team in this devel cycle: cloud computing and supporting EC2, OOTB.21:45
nathanynkinkade: looks like we'll need to configure oerfeeds.info as a google apps domain21:50
nathanycan you go ahead and do that (the basic version is probably fine)?21:51
nkinkadenathany: I'll set that up.21:52
nathanythanks21:52
nathanycreate me an admin account with my usual username?21:52
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nathanynkinkade: ping me when that's ready and i'll work on deploying the GAE instance21:59
m3cr3d1snathany: photos are uploading to cc's flickr account22:16
nathanym3cr3d1s: awesome22:18
nathanythanks22:19
nathanyare you creating a set there?22:19
m3cr3d1syes, after they get uploaded though22:19
m3cr3d1sits about 25% done22:19
nathanyok22:20
m3cr3d1snathany: upload complete22:40
nathanym3cr3d1s: great; i'll go ahead and create a set for the Tech Summit with pointers both ways in the wiki22:41
m3cr3d1sgreat22:41
m3cr3d1sI can take care of the harvard panel after22:42
m3cr3d1sor during22:42
nathanyi wish there was a way you could reverse the order of photos in a set22:42
nathanyso they'd be in chronological order22:42
m3cr3d1syeah, its a real failure of flickr22:43
m3cr3d1sbut you can organize the order inside the set22:43
m3cr3d1sbut it won't reflect it in the photostream22:43
nathanyright but it's manual22:43
m3cr3d1sthe organizr will let you sort by date shot22:43
m3cr3d1sand I think it listens to my EXIF data22:43
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nathanyhrm, maybe i'll try that22:44
nathanyoh, that worked22:44
nathanyok, better than nothing22:44
m3cr3d1syep22:44
nathanyi'm 100% convinced that Flickr's *only* recommending feature is the social network lock in22:45
m3cr3d1sheh22:45
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m3cr3d1snathany: are the photos to your liking?23:04
nathanym3cr3d1s: they're excellent, thank you23:05
m3cr3d1syeah, we all look very very serious23:05
nathanywhen we get all the slides in I'll probably blog again23:05
m3cr3d1sgreat23:05
m3cr3d1sno rush23:05
nathanywell the web is serious serious business :)23:05
Bovinitymake it work, people23:06
nathany"i'm worried; you have to consider what the judges will think -- just bring a real editorial eye"23:06
m3cr3d1sits just too spicy -- did you taste it before you sent it out?23:06
nkinkadenathany: Sorry about that.  You're an admin now.23:07
nathanynkinkade: awesome, thanks :)23:07
Bovinityi stand behind my dish.23:07
nathanylol23:07
nathanynkinkade: can you add a CNAME for oerfeeds.info?23:15
nathanypointing www to ghs.google.com?23:15
nkinkadenathany: Done.23:19
nathanynkinkade: do you think we should also redirect oerfeeds.info (w/o www) to www?23:20
nkinkadenathany: Is there a reason to use www for anything?23:20
nathanygoogle app engine no longer supports hosting an app on a domain w/o a sub-domain23:20
nathanyso unfortunately, if we're going to do this experiment, it has to be [something].oerfeeds.info23:21
nathany(www seemed like the logical choice)23:21
nkinkadefeeds.oerfeeds.info seems redundant. :-)23:21
nathany:)23:21
nathanydid you set up www as a cname for the root of the domain? (not sure if dig is reporting cached information)23:21
nkinkadeBut I guess you're right, if it has to be a subdomain then www seems reasonable and the base URL should go there too.23:22
nkinkadedig is reporting cached info.23:22
nathanyok :)23:22
nkinkadeIt was a CNAME of the origin.23:22
nathanyoh, right -- it's showing the server as 10.0.2.1#5323:22
Bovinityhttp://flickr.com/photos/creativecommons/3111813568/ - in ur namespacez23:27
nathanyBovinity: it cries out for LOLing23:31
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nathany(i'll talk to rtkim)23:31
nathany;)23:31
Bovinityi'll leave that to rtkim23:31
Bovinity...23:32
nathanynkinkade: (or paulproteus) any idea how i can get the wrt65g to flush it's DNS cache? i'd like to test/wrap-up the oerfeeds stuff...23:34
nathanyi suppose i could just take this as a divine sign i should go home earlyu23:34
nkinkadenathany: I dont' think it's the WRT.23:34
nkinkadeIt's whatever the nameservers are for AT&T.23:35
nathanyah23:35
nathanygot it23:35
nathanynevermind23:35
nathanyi'll look tomorrow AM23:35
nkinkadenathany: Just put an entry in your /etc/hosts fiile for now.23:35
nathanyright23:35
paulproteusnathany, restart dnsmasq probably23:45
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nkinkadepaulproteus: Re: my other meesage about AllowOverride, nevermind.23:47
paulproteusnkinkade, Okay23:47
nkinkadeTurns out I was mindlessly wrapping my Options in a <Directory> element, in the .htaccess!23:48
paulproteusEgad.23:48
nkinkadeThat God I don't have root access on that machine.23:48
nkinkade*Thank23:48
nathanynkinkade: that's *exactly* what i want to hear from my sysadmin ;)23:50
nathanyok, i'm off -- see you all tomorrow23:51
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paulproteuslol!23:51
nkinkade;-)23:51

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