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| tanjir | paulproteus: i got a question for you.... is the challenge for "Feed License Discovery Heuristics for PHP" already solved? | 01:44 |
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| Samus_Aran | hello. I am wondering about the "Noncommercial. You may not use this work for commercial purposes." part of the license. if I am building and selling children's computers using open source products, and include a background music clip under that license, is that allowed or not ? | 17:11 |
| Samus_Aran | the FAQ is vague on this usage | 17:13 |
| Samus_Aran | and the full license also seems vague to me | 17:16 |
| Samus_Aran | the money charged for the computer is for hardware and my time, not for any given piece of media or open source software on the system | 17:17 |
| Samus_Aran | but I am not sure if that is allowable or not | 17:17 |
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| tanjir | Samus_Aran: can you contact the license owner? | 17:40 |
| Samus_Aran | tanjir: is there not a specific for this sort of thing in the license itself ? | 17:41 |
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| Samus_Aran | tanjir: I am finding music on archive.org, sometimes there is contact information, sometimes not | 17:41 |
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| greg-g | Samus_Aran: there is no one set definition of NonCommercial, thus, if you feel your use is unclear the best thing to do would be contacting the creator | 17:45 |
| Samus_Aran | if I would need to contact each of the authors on the non-commercial license then I would just opt to not use any of it, as most of the music on archive.org is only attribution | 17:46 |
| Samus_Aran | and I intend to have a credits page for the music | 17:46 |
| greg-g | Samus_Aran: also, help Creative Commons make better recommendations on NonCommercial use by taking this survey: http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/11298 | 17:46 |
| greg-g | Samus_Aran: if you are unsure about your use after reading the legal code for the license, then you should ask the creator. It is a problem that people who decided to use NonCommercial licenses face. | 17:47 |
| Samus_Aran | greg-g: I see. thank you | 17:48 |
| greg-g | Samus_Aran: personally, if the background music is non-integral to your product, I would allow it if it was my music. But that is just me. | 17:48 |
| greg-g | I am not a lawyer, nor play one on TV. | 17:48 |
| Samus_Aran | heh | 17:49 |
| Samus_Aran | it's just background music for when the children are choosing which program to load next | 17:49 |
| greg-g | hmmm | 17:49 |
| Samus_Aran | so it is certainly non-integral to the product | 17:49 |
| greg-g | is there any non NC music you could use instead? | 17:49 |
| Samus_Aran | yes, lots | 17:49 |
| Samus_Aran | and I think I may just leave out the NC ones to avoid confusion | 17:50 |
| Samus_Aran | archive.org has a really enormous collection of CC music, it's amazing | 17:50 |
| greg-g | then if you just want to not worry about it, use CC:BY music | 17:50 |
| Samus_Aran | I just put in "instrumental" in the search for the section "Open Source Audio" and there are hundreds of results | 17:51 |
| Samus_Aran | I love archive.org | 17:51 |
| greg-g | right, and I would just use music that is licensed as CC:BY. | 17:52 |
| Samus_Aran | what does the BY signify ? I see it on the page, but I don't understand the lettering | 17:54 |
| Samus_Aran | there is so much quality music on archive.org, it is surprising | 17:57 |
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| greg_g | Samus_Aran: see this page for a description of all the licenses: http://creativecommons.org/about/licenses/meet-the-licenses | 18:01 |
| Samus_Aran | okay so it just means attribution. had me confused, as the other ones were mostly acronyms | 18:02 |
| greg_g | yeah, a little out of the ordinary | 18:03 |
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| paulproteus | Samus_Aran, Hey now. | 18:46 |
| Samus_Aran | paulproteus: haylo | 18:46 |
| paulproteus | It seems to me (non-laywer, this is not legal advice) that your use of the NC music would be fine. | 18:47 |
| paulproteus | You're only selling copies incidentally. | 18:47 |
| paulproteus | We do have an old, non-binding set of NC guidelines at... | 18:48 |
| paulproteus | ...er, we removed it from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/DiscussionDraftNonCommercial_Guidelines because we want to wait for the new NC study to finish I guess. | 18:48 |
| paulproteus | Well, anyway, I agree that clarity is good. | 18:48 |
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| paulproteus | Wow, I'm not very useful. | 18:52 |
| paulproteus | I'll just go away now. (-: | 18:52 |
| Samus_Aran | paulproteus: thanks for trying. =) | 18:55 |
| Samus_Aran | paulproteus: I am curious what the survey will say | 18:55 |
| paulproteus | I think it'll say, "NC means different things to different people." | 18:55 |
| paulproteus | Just guessing. (-; | 18:55 |
| tanjir | hello all | 18:55 |
| * paulproteus runs and hides | 18:55 | |
| Samus_Aran | tanjir: greets | 18:55 |
| tanjir | hi Samus_Aran | 18:55 |
| tanjir | i am curious to know if any one solved this: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Feed_License_Discovery_Heuristics_for_PHP | 18:56 |
| tanjir | does any one know about it? | 18:56 |
| mlinksva | tanjir: not that i know of | 19:00 |
| mlinksva | wouldn't be hard if the psuedocode on the syndication page is non-bogus, which may or may not be the case (i wrote it) | 19:00 |
| tanjir | mlinksva: thanks for the information... i have started to write one. | 19:01 |
| tanjir | hopefully it will be ready by tonight or tomorrow. | 19:02 |
| tanjir | is there any one whom should i contact for any code inspection? | 19:02 |
| tanjir | i am willing to provide my library under lgpl | 19:03 |
| tanjir | (the pseudo code worked perfectly fine for me) | 19:05 |
| Samus_Aran | paulproteus: I was just thinking about another way around the issue, I can include the songs on a separate CD, free of charge (which would copy onto the computer once you put it in), or similar | 19:06 |
| Samus_Aran | I can't just have the person auto-download them, as the computers I am building are without any Internet | 19:06 |
| mlinksva | tanjir: you could ping me or paulproteus or nathany here or email the cc-devel list | 19:09 |
| Samus_Aran | paulproteus: perhaps it would be enough to just include a printed sheet with the computer stating the list of songs and artists and license and that no charge is being made to include them | 19:12 |
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| Samus_Aran | good day allveryone | 20:22 |
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