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Dorne | hello | 01:55 |
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Dorne | what's the best way to start modifying someone else's image to put on my site using this creative commons license? | 01:55 |
Dorne | http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/deed.en_CA | 01:55 |
Dorne | The steps I know I need are: | 01:56 |
Dorne | (1) to keep intact any copyright notices for the Work; (2) credit the author, licensor and/or other parties (such as a wiki or journal) in the manner they specify; (3) the title of the Work; and (4) the URL for the work if applicable. | 01:56 |
Dorne | 3 and 4 are fine | 01:56 |
Dorne | but I'm kind of fuzzy with steps 1 and 2 | 01:56 |
greg-g | Dorne: whatever you produce should have some way to find the original work/work's author | 01:57 |
greg-g | so, simply a "original can be found <link>here</link>" would be good | 01:58 |
Dorne | numbers 3 and 4 cover that I believe | 01:58 |
Dorne | but do I still need to take care of 1 and 2? | 01:58 |
greg-g | right, yes. | 01:59 |
greg-g | For 1) you will need to display the license (either with an image or link) | 01:59 |
greg-g | and 2, 3, and 4 can be satisfied by the same link | 01:59 |
Dorne | so "some rights reserved" with a hyperlink to the license is fine? | 02:00 |
Dorne | this is a flickr image btw | 02:00 |
Dorne | Alright, then I believe that I'll be alright then | 02:01 |
Dorne | I get a little paranoid when it comes to licenses | 02:01 |
greg-g | Yeah, only the prefered text is to actually tell which license like "Licensed under CC:BY-NC-SA" | 02:01 |
Dorne | ah | 02:01 |
greg-g | also: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Marking_Image | 02:01 |
greg-g | and http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Marking | 02:01 |
greg-g | "licensed under CC:BY-NC-SA" or something similar, I should say | 02:02 |
greg-g | just because "some rights reserved" is very ambiguous, and if you can fit a few more characters there, more information is better :) | 02:02 |
Dorne | It never hurts | 02:02 |
Dorne | thanks | 02:02 |
greg-g | no worries | 02:03 |
Dorne | How does this look? | 02:11 |
Dorne | Some rights reserved. <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/deed.en_CA">Licensed under CC:BY-NC-SA</a>. Adapted from "original name" at <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/#/#">http://www.flickr.com/photos/#/#/</a>. | 02:11 |
greg-g | Dorne: looks good. | 02:22 |
Dorne | alright | 02:26 |
Dorne | had to shorten it by taking out "original name" because my encoding doesn't allow asian characters | 02:33 |
greg-g | Dorne: that should be ok. Really, as long as you have that link to the original image on flickr and the license info, you're good | 02:34 |
Dorne | whew | 02:35 |
Dorne | I'm thinking of starting an ascii site that features images under cc licenses that allows modifying the original (to change to ascii format) and public domain | 02:38 |
Dorne | and making it lynx compatible | 02:38 |
Dorne | like this: http://lefthandman.110mb.com/ | 02:39 |
Dorne | although I have to change my ascii converter so that it doesn't use < or & s. I had to manually change them to html < and & | 02:40 |
Dorne | something not good when you want to share it | 02:40 |
greg-g | that'd be interesting | 02:45 |
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doggymenz | why is there no license without attribution? | 03:02 |
doggymenz | attribution sucks | 03:02 |
doggymenz | but then again, if you not gonna use attribution, might as well do public domain ;) | 03:02 |
Dorne | Well, I'm off | 03:30 |
Dorne | thanks again | 03:31 |
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tryggvib | Hello | 07:09 |
tryggvib | I wanted to ask regarding cc-nc, non-commercial, does that include not-in-a-commercial-environment? | 07:10 |
tryggvib | So my idea is to collect a lot of cc'd christmas music and give a collection to stores which could play it in the x-mas rush (and put up a poster with the artists' names and cc info) | 07:11 |
tryggvib | If the cc'd music is nc would that be disallowed? | 07:12 |
tryggvib | so basically my question is, can cc-nc-* be used for indirect commercial purposes (that is a part of a commercial environment) | 07:13 |
tryggvib | They would not be making money directly of the cc'd music | 07:14 |
tryggvib | it would just help set the mood | 07:14 |
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vinhtantran | Hello, could I ask a question about translating CC? | 18:17 |
paulproteus | Sure! | 18:17 |
vinhtantran | when I suggest translation via Pootle, who will review the translation? | 18:19 |
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nkinkade | vinhtantran: The project leads in each respective jurisdiction would be the ones to review suggestions. | 18:32 |
nkinkade | And they would be the ones who could accept it or choose to translate it themselves. | 18:32 |
vinhtantran | thank you for your answering, hope my translation will help, in the future, of course :( | 18:34 |
nkinkade | vinhtantran: Which language? | 18:35 |
vinhtantran | Vietnamese | 18:35 |
vinhtantran | I hear that CC will publish Vietnamese next year | 18:35 |
nkinkade | vinhtantran: Yes, they are in the process of porting the licenses. | 18:35 |
nkinkade | So I expect that your suggestions will be helpful. Thanks! | 18:36 |
vinhtantran | I also take part in Vietnamese localization for Firefox 3.1, they are intended to embed CC search into that browser, I hope the Vietnamese CC Search GUI will be port first, for a pure Vietnamese browser, you know | 18:37 |
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paulproteus | Someone should consider tryggvib's earlier question. | 19:08 |
paulproteus | I'm going to work on other stuff for now. | 19:08 |
paulproteus | Howdy greg-g. | 19:08 |
greg-g | paulproteus: you mean like that ............ how did you know I was typing? | 19:08 |
paulproteus | Magique. | 19:09 |
greg-g | anyways, you mean like that study which was announced a bit ago to explain what is and isn't commercial use? | 19:09 |
tryggvib | greg-g: yes, I would like to know | 19:09 |
greg-g | tryggvib: we all would :) | 19:10 |
tryggvib | isn't this known | 19:10 |
greg-g | I'm not the best person to ask, IANAL and all | 19:10 |
nkinkade | tryggvib: It's not really known. | 19:10 |
tryggvib | or is this one of the misteries lawyers know ... or maybe they don't even know | 19:11 |
* greg-g will be back in 20ish mins, going to pub to do more work | 19:11 | |
Bovinity | greg-g: does not compute | 19:12 |
nkinkade | tryggvib: Even if CC is able to add some bounds to the issue, to help make it clearer, it's still as you say. When all is said and done, it may come down to what a lawyer can convincingly argue in court. | 19:12 |
tryggvib | interesting | 19:12 |
nkinkade | tryggvib: I say these things not being a lawyer. | 19:13 |
tryggvib | of course | 19:13 |
nkinkade | But from what I can tell, there is very little in the realm of law that is black and white. | 19:13 |
paulproteus | svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.zope.org': Connection refused | 19:13 |
* paulproteus sighs. | 19:13 | |
tryggvib | I wish laws were more like computers, 0 or 1, yes or no | 19:13 |
nkinkade | One court rules something, then another higher court strikes it down, then 10 years later someone challenges it and it is ruled in favor of. | 19:13 |
nkinkade | That kind of thing. | 19:14 |
nkinkade | tryggvib: That said, I have this sense that too many people stumble on the NC issue, and unecessarily. | 19:14 |
nkinkade | My feeling is that good, reasonable and thoughtful caution is probably enough. | 19:15 |
tryggvib | I've been trying to read the legal code which allows publicly performing | 19:15 |
nkinkade | You can sit around for days, weeks or years arguing whether some edge case is commercial use or not. | 19:16 |
tryggvib | but restricts as it says: You may not exercise any of the rights granted to You in Section 3 above in any manner that is primarily intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation | 19:16 |
nkinkade | I have a feeling that most people who publish with a CC license are not generally about nit-picking and worrying so much about edge cases. | 19:16 |
tryggvib | well distributing them in stores is a rather large thing, it's not like I'm giving it to friends | 19:17 |
nkinkade | And even beyond that, are they really going to sue someone, for example, for using an NC image on a blog with Google Adsense? | 19:17 |
tryggvib | I will probably contact the authors in beforehand to be certain | 19:18 |
tryggvib | that's probably the best way to be sure | 19:18 |
nkinkade | I have this feeling that for the situations where it may really matter, it will involve something easily commercial, in which case there will be lawyers guiding the way. | 19:18 |
nkinkade | tryggvib: That is always a great way around it. | 19:18 |
paulproteus | greg-g, BTW, if you want to do me a favor involving code, I'd love help figuring out why the liblicense test suite prefers the system build of liblicense, when it seems to me it should be set up properly to prefer the as-yet-uninstalled build that is being tested. | 19:19 |
nkinkade | There no point in Bill, sitting in Houston, TX, looking to file suit against, Tom in California for having used an NC image in some marginal case. | 19:19 |
nkinkade | What's he going to get out of Tom, and how much will it cost him in the first place. Most likely Bill will say: Tom, WTF? That's commercial use, please take it down, and Bill will probably comply. | 19:20 |
tryggvib | True | 19:21 |
tryggvib | I'm considering this for Iceland which is further away from Houston than California is | 19:21 |
tryggvib | :) | 19:21 |
nkinkade | :-) | 19:22 |
tryggvib | But still I believe author's consent is the correct thing to do since we're talking about a blurry/gray area | 19:22 |
nkinkade | So my basic thought for personal-type use is to be thoughtful and considerate. If you really a doubt, then just contact the copyright holder or look for a non-NC work. | 19:23 |
nkinkade | And it sounds like that's exactly what you've come to. :-) | 19:23 |
tryggvib | yup :) | 19:24 |
tryggvib | a bit more work but still worth it | 19:24 |
nkinkade | tryggvib: Good luck with that. I know I didn't answer anything, but hopefully the dialog was useful in some way. | 19:25 |
tryggvib | it was | 19:29 |
tryggvib | thank you | 19:29 |
tryggvib | just to know that there are others in the community that don't really know either (as you said many are tripping over the NC issue) makes me feel a bit smarter :) | 19:30 |
nkinkade | It's a big issue for a lot of people. I get a lot of emails to info@creativecommons.org about it. | 19:31 |
* tryggvib thinks that mathematicians should write laws if we would build our society from scratch | 19:36 | |
nkinkade | tryggvib: I should also point you to a tool that CC Norway put together: http://www.creativecommons.no/ncguide/ | 19:42 |
nkinkade | It's not definitive, but it could help some people get a general idea. | 19:43 |
tryggvib | thanks nkinkade | 19:44 |
greg-g | paulproteus: if you could explain that a little further I might be able to help by adding a another set of eyes. | 19:46 |
paulproteus | greg-g, Well, so if you uninstall liblicense and then run ./configure and then 'make check', you'll see virtually all of the tests fail. | 19:47 |
paulproteus | That's because it tries to use the system liblicense and fails. | 19:47 |
paulproteus | That makes testing annoying. | 19:47 |
greg-g | hmmm | 19:47 |
greg-g | sorry, i needed a new git clone of liblicense, and I'm on a 80k/s wifi connection at the pub | 20:06 |
Bovinity | Beer-over-IP strikes again | 20:09 |
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greg-g | paulproteus: http://paste.lisp.org/display/70089 | 20:11 |
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greg-g | paulproteus: regarding the paste: should those suggestions be done? | 20:20 |
paulproteus | greg-g, libflac-dev | 20:21 |
paulproteus | You need. | 20:21 |
paulproteus | I wouldn't worry about the warnings above that for now, but I'm no autoconf expert. | 20:22 |
greg-g | paulproteus: k | 20:22 |
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* greg-g wonders how that and libraptor were not installed on his system | 20:25 | |
paulproteus | hyphen dev. | 20:28 |
greg-g | paulproteus: yeah, just didn't want to type it out here :) | 20:29 |
paulproteus | Sure, I mean, lacking -dev packages makes more sense than lacking lib* packages. | 20:30 |
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paulproteus | Howdy mecredis. | 20:30 |
greg-g | paulproteus: I have 5 of 11 tests failing | 20:31 |
paulproteus | Make sure you don't have liblicense installed on your system. | 20:31 |
greg-g | I don't | 20:31 |
paulproteus | "Awesome." | 20:31 |
greg-g | heh | 20:31 |
paulproteus | I think most of them are failing probably due to it being not system-wide installed. | 20:31 |
paulproteus | Most, but certainly possibly not all. | 20:32 |
* greg-g nods | 20:33 | |
greg-g | I just installed liblicense3 and reran autogen and make check, same number of failures | 20:35 |
paulproteus | Hmm. | 20:36 |
greg-g | if that says anything | 20:36 |
paulproteus | brb, lunch. | 22:04 |
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nkinkade | paulproteus: Do you happen to know of a good way to convert an SWF file to something that mencoder or ffmpeg can handle without recompiling? | 23:13 |
Bovinity | nkinkade: ffmpeg shold accept a linear SWF movie without issue | 23:17 |
nkinkade | Bovinity: In Ubuntu?> | 23:17 |
Bovinity | i'm pretty sure, yes | 23:18 |
nkinkade | I tried it, it can handle the sound, but not the video. | 23:18 |
nkinkade | Apparently. | 23:18 |
Bovinity | what are you trying to convert? | 23:18 |
nkinkade | And SWF file that was sent to me by a someone in Argentina. | 23:18 |
nkinkade | Bovinity: If I sent it to you do you think you would be able to easily convert it? | 23:18 |
nkinkade | It's a quite good Spanish version of the "Get Creative" video. | 23:19 |
Bovinity | i can probably get QT or Flash to convert it | 23:19 |
Bovinity | oh | 23:19 |
nkinkade | And I think that some of the Spanish-speaking jurisdictions may like it, and we could also link to it from support. | 23:19 |
Bovinity | i can try | 23:21 |
nkinkade | I'm uploading it right now. | 23:22 |
nkinkade | Link forthcoming. | 23:22 |
nkinkade | Bovinity: http://a7.creativecommons.org/~nkinkade/get_creative_spanish.swf | 23:45 |
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paulproteus | It can be that hard / if Adobe is the intermediary. | 23:48 |
nkinkade | paulproteus: Did you mean to say "can't"? Or was that intentional. | 23:51 |
paulproteus | It is an ironic twist on the "Get Creative" video slogan that starts and ends it. | 23:51 |
nkinkade | Went right over my head. | 23:52 |
Bovinity | nkinkade: nope. if they can send us the FLA file (hwich they should, since it's cc by), then things would be faaaaarrr easier. | 23:55 |
nkinkade | Bovinity: That was the conclusion I have to on Friday after actually compiling with ffmpeg with lib-faad and lib-faac (???) support. So on Friday evening I emailed him asking if he could send it in another format. :-) | 23:57 |
nkinkade | (sorry about the grammar. heavens!) | 23:58 |
Bovinity | nkinkade: i found it odd that QuickTime wouldn't even open it. It usually works. :/ | 23:58 |
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