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| m-c- | Greetings - who should I attribute copyright for the videos on the CreativeCommons.org website? | 14:04 |
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| m-c- | I am planning to share the Wanna Work Together video, and I would like to make a correct citation of the work. | 14:05 |
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| nkinkade | Hi m-c- | 14:18 |
| nkinkade | You can just attribute the video to Creative Commons. | 14:18 |
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| m-c- | nkinkade, Would you think attributing them to "Creativecommons.org" would be appropriate? | 14:46 |
| nkinkade | m-c-: That would probably be fine, or just Creative Commons. | 14:47 |
| m-c- | Okay, I will use your suggestion. Thanks! | 14:47 |
| nkinkade | And then, of course, link to the original video. | 14:47 |
| m-c- | Hmm -- is that generally considered required? | 14:48 |
| m-c- | links to the original, I mean | 14:48 |
| nkinkade | m-c-: Yes, generally. | 14:48 |
| m-c- | I have not been doing that | 14:48 |
| m-c- | Okay, I can go back and get the links, though | 14:48 |
| nkinkade | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#How_do_I_properly_attribute_a_Creative_Commons_licensed_work.3F | 14:49 |
| m-c- | Oh, perfect | 14:49 |
| nkinkade | That an FAQ item on what CC considers to be good attribution. | 14:49 |
| nkinkade | Of course you could also check the paragraph in the legalcode of the license. | 14:49 |
| nkinkade | m-c-: Check out section 4(b) of the license if you want to see what the actual license says: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode | 14:50 |
| m-c- | This task would be made easier if the authors of the videos on CreativeCommons.org had made their copyright notice available on the web page. | 14:54 |
| m-c- | Even in the video itself, there is no copyright notice, although there is extensive credits. | 14:55 |
| nkinkade | m-c-: In the footer of every page at the CC site, it specified that unless otherwise noted all content is under a CC Attribution 3.0 license. | 14:55 |
| m-c- | Seems like an oversight of the CC project, in my opinion. | 14:55 |
| m-c- | Yes, the CC license provides the guidelines for redistribution, but it does not contain the copyright information | 14:56 |
| nkinkade | And since CC is composed of numerous people, crediting CC as a whole is probably fine unless it seems obvious to do otherwise. | 14:56 |
| nkinkade | m-c-: What copyright information are you referring to? | 14:56 |
| m-c- | A copyright notice provides the year of publication and the controlling author, both are generally used for citations and references. | 14:57 |
| nkinkade | m-c-: The license just requires you keep copyright notices intact, but if there aren't any, then you don't have to worry it. | 14:57 |
| nkinkade | (and my grammar/spelling is horrible today, sorry) | 14:58 |
| m-c- | np | 14:58 |
| m-c- | Ah, okay, I found a good example: http://www.gnu.org/fry/ | 15:00 |
| m-c- | If you look at the web page footer, you see both the CC license and link, and also the copyright notice, which includes the name of the work, the year of publication, and the copyright holder. | 15:00 |
| m-c- | The Creative Commons Project (seems to me, at least) helps people understand how they can use other people's works, after providing the proper attribution. Seems to be an oversight not to also make this attribution information available, so that others can use CC work, in a proper way. | 15:02 |
| m-c- | Well, anyway, probably sounds like I am griping. Just thinking outloud. Thanks for your help, regardless, nkinkade | 15:03 |
| nkinkade | m-c-: No problem. You could be right. However, I haven't heard anyone else make a comment about missing copyright notices at the CC site. | 15:04 |
| m-c- | What do you suppose they do for attribution? | 15:05 |
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| m-c- | Probably just provide a web link, huh? | 15:05 |
| nkinkade | m-c-: I would imagine that most people attribute things from the CC site to CC, and then provide a link to the original content. | 15:07 |
| nkinkade | Attribution is not necessarily a set-in-stone formula ... the license makes some comments about what should be done, but to some extent it comes down to being reasonable. | 15:08 |
| m-c- | Ah, I see some examples in your Case Studies section of the CC website: | 15:08 |
| m-c- | ‘gone to stone’ (link) by Andrew Garton CC BY-NC-SA 2.0 (link) | 15:08 |
| m-c- | I would say this is missing the year of publication, but the name and author of the work are there. | 15:08 |
| m-c- | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Casestudies | 15:09 |
| m-c- | Thanks again for your help. Have a great day. | 15:09 |
| nkinkade | m-c-: np. You too. | 15:10 |
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| mlinksva | i need some channa masala | 17:39 |
| nathany | nkinkade: is the last backup of a3 in a place where i could just look around and see if a file is there, or do i need special tools? | 17:58 |
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| greg-g | nathany: you go for our call? | 18:06 |
| nathany | oh, right, sorry about that | 18:06 |
| greg-g | no worries | 18:06 |
| nathany | can you priv msg me the #? (upgrading browser packages) | 18:06 |
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| Bovinity | nkinkade: ping | 18:42 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Hey. | 18:44 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: any ideas why IE (6 and 7) would say http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/campaignwidget/2.0/widget.js doesn't exist? | 18:44 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Not off the top of my head, unless there is some rewrite rule botching it. | 18:46 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: perhaps. it loads fine in any other browser | 18:47 |
| nkinkade | Oh, well, then the rewrite rule thing makes no senses. I didn't pay close enough attention to what you said. | 18:47 |
| nkinkade | Let me check in XP. | 18:48 |
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| nathany | Bovinity: does it have a "real" closing script tag? | 18:57 |
| nathany | <script></script>, not <script /> | 18:57 |
| nathany | nkinkade: do you know if the last a3 backup is in a place on the file system that i can go and poke around to look for something, or do i need a specialized tool? | 18:58 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Yeah, there is still one backup of a3. | 19:01 |
| nkinkade | You should just be able to use the normal Unix tools to poke around. | 19:01 |
| nathany | nkinkade: how do i access that machine? i always forget | 19:02 |
| nkinkade | /media/backups/creativecommons/a3.creativecommons.org/ | 19:02 |
| nkinkade | 10.0.2.10 | 19:02 |
| nathany | cool, thanks :) | 19:02 |
| nkinkade | You should already have an account. | 19:02 |
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| nathany | yup, i do | 19:03 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: It looks as if IE wants to execute the JS as soon as it's downloaded, but it's also reporting an error, which may be why it just says that it couldn't download the page. | 19:33 |
| nkinkade | It's complaining about line 19 saying "Object doesn't support this property or method" and highlights this.getsrc. | 19:34 |
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| nathany_curry | nkinkade: ping | 19:55 |
| nkinkade | nathany_curry: pong | 19:55 |
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| nathany | so where in that tree does the filesystem live? | 19:55 |
| nkinkade | in 01Aug2008/tree | 19:56 |
| nathany | yeah, that doesn't exist | 19:56 |
| nkinkade | What? | 19:56 |
| nathany | yeah, that doesn't exist | 19:56 |
| nathany | :) | 19:56 |
| nkinkade | Hmm. Let me see. | 19:56 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I'm really not sure where the tree went. There is still a tree for a2, for example. | 19:58 |
| nkinkade | Is the fact that it's not there going to be a pretty big issue? | 20:00 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: well it's an annoyance... i was hoping to grab something from our old campaign codebase | 20:00 |
| nathany | but if it's not there i'll just start from scratch | 20:01 |
| nkinkade | That's pretty disappointing that it's gone, and it's bizarre that everything is there but the main subdirectory. | 20:01 |
| nkinkade | Is it possible that some of the code your looking for is on mirrors, or on a5 now? Or better yet in subversion. | 20:02 |
| nathany | i'm going to look in svbn | 20:02 |
| nathany | not sure... | 20:02 |
| nkinkade | nathany: By the way, is it my imagination or have alerts from Nagios suddenly become very sane (read: non-existent) since the RAM upgradesf? | 20:03 |
| nathany | nkinkade: it's not your imagination | 20:03 |
| nkinkade | I'm never again going to doubt the wisdom of a RAM upgrade if there is even a slight feeling that it might be an issue. | 20:04 |
| nathany | nkinkade: Bovinity found it | 20:05 |
| nathany | i'm a moron | 20:05 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Any word on the widget.js? | 20:07 |
| nkinkade | Did you see my messages from a bit earlier? | 20:07 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: no, let me scroll up... | 20:07 |
| Bovinity | i see | 20:08 |
| Bovinity | paulproteus: widget.js has a bug with IE. | 20:08 |
| Bovinity | (campaign widget) | 20:08 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity, Ouch, what? | 20:08 |
| paulproteus | Need/want to show me? | 20:08 |
| nkinkade | I'm not 100% that it's, but IE did complain and wanted to bring up the Script Debugger. | 20:09 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Something that IE7 doesn't like about 2.0/widget.js | 20:09 |
| paulproteus | "2.0/widget.js"? URL? | 20:09 |
| nkinkade | Scroll up to see my comments from earlier. | 20:09 |
| paulproteus | Okay, /me scorlls | 20:09 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity pasted the URL. | 20:10 |
| Bovinity | a little further up | 20:10 |
| Bovinity | i'll also note, IE6 in the finance PC, wouldn't open last years widget.js either.. possibly the same bug. | 20:10 |
| Bovinity | (it's *in* the computer) | 20:11 |
| paulproteus | The 2.0 in the URL is not my work; Bovinity, I guess you moved it to that location? | 20:11 |
| Bovinity | right | 20:12 |
| Bovinity | /widget/2.0/widget.js is the 2008 version | 20:12 |
| paulproteus | Yay. | 20:12 |
| paulproteus | Can we try not-the-finance-computer? | 20:12 |
| Bovinity | (that url is for testing, naturally it'll be /widget/widget.js on wednesday) | 20:13 |
| paulproteus | http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/campaignwidget/ is a nice ol' blank page. | 20:13 |
| paulproteus | That's probably oka. | 20:13 |
| paulproteus | +y | 20:13 |
| paulproteus | Oh, drat, no gitweb still. | 20:14 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, I have an idea for gitweb stuff. | 20:14 |
| paulproteus | I will make sure only one gitweb CGI is allowed to run at once. | 20:15 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: What's that? | 20:15 |
| paulproteus | Someone should fix cgit to be gitweb-url compatible. | 20:15 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I wonder if we could try to enable gitweb again. | 20:15 |
| nkinkade | But without restriction. | 20:15 |
| paulproteus | Now that we have more RAM? | 20:16 |
| paulproteus | The issue, I still believe, is disk I/O. | 20:16 |
| nkinkade | Is the main resource bottleneck for gitweb processor? | 20:16 |
| paulproteus | Is it ionice'd? | 20:16 |
| paulproteus | If not, we should ionice it. (I think I ionice -c3 Apache2 on rose.makesad.us actually.) | 20:16 |
| nkinkade | I started to re-enable it the other day, but decided to wait a week or two to make sure that the RAM cured our problems on a7, which it appears to have done. | 20:16 |
| paulproteus | Oh, that's good. | 20:16 |
| paulproteus | Let's try a blanket re-enable but with ionice -c3. | 20:17 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I'm fine with that. | 20:17 |
| paulproteus | Should be able to set that in the shebang. | 20:17 |
| greg-g | off-topic light-heartedness: scroll down half way to right after the Dual Core picture. http://skippy.net/olf2008-wrap-up | 20:17 |
| * paulproteus checks that is true | 20:17 | |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Do you want to re-enable it, or shall I? | 20:17 |
| paulproteus | You should. | 20:17 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: The shebang bit won't work because only a privileged user can do make that operation, but it's running as www-data. | 20:23 |
| paulproteus | Maybe that's why I just ionice Apache in its init script. (-: | 20:23 |
| nkinkade | I guess I could suid it, but that doesn't seem wise. | 20:23 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit isn't all it's cracked up to be. | 20:26 |
| nkinkade | It is now. | 20:27 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: ^^ | 20:27 |
| greg-g | oh hey, git webview is back! | 20:27 |
| paulproteus | All systems go, as we step into the octagon! | 20:27 |
| paulproteus | ...wow, we're prolific. | 20:27 |
| nkinkade | But I hate that I can't ionice it,. | 20:27 |
| nkinkade | And I'm not sure how I feel about ioniceing Apache. | 20:27 |
| nkinkade | I guess we can see what happens. | 20:28 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: How were you going to ensure that only once instance would run at a time? | 20:28 |
| paulproteus | Some horrible lock wrapper. | 20:28 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: Let's just see where things stand in a week or two. I haven't got a single Nagios warning for anything on a7 since the RAM upgrade. | 20:30 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Super rad! | 20:31 |
| nkinkade | If it suddenly starts going down periodically then I'll shutdown gitweb again until we can find a workable solution. | 20:31 |
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| nathany | Bovinity: when i click on a donation amount, is it supposed to be pre-selected on the contrib page | 21:39 |
| nathany | (on zupport) | 21:39 |
| Bovinity | nathany: supposed to, sure, that woudl be awesome. not even the current support.cc pre-selects (iirc). | 21:40 |
| nathany | Bovinity: yes, the current site does | 21:41 |
| Bovinity | oh | 21:42 |
| Bovinity | nathany: fixed. | 22:08 |
| nathany | Bovinity: excellent :) | 22:08 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Monthly emails finally fixed and tested and pushed. | 22:26 |
| nathany | paulproteus: awesome | 22:28 |
| paulproteus | Steps before beta: mod_wsgi deployment; po file output; incorporate creativecommons.net strings. | 22:29 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, For mod_wsgi on a7 (where herder-dot currently is), is mod_wsgi already installed? | 22:44 |
| paulproteus | I can handle the setup fine, I believe, but I want to sync with you (and nkinkade maybe) on install stuff. | 22:44 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: There isn't much I'm worried about except that the directory structure stays nice, with pretty names. | 22:46 |
| nkinkade | I'm okay with installing things in /opt if need be, for example. Or even somewhere in /usr/local/ | 22:46 |
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