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| jgay_ | (yes, reposting from #freeculture) - You all might be interested in Geurilla Open Access (http://guerillaopenaccess.com/). You all might be interested in Geurilla Open Access (http://guerillaopenaccess.com/). If so, you might also want to join the facebook group I made for it (http://tinyurl.com/525cm3) | 00:28 |
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| nkinkade | Hi Steren. Are you working on a8 right now? | 15:39 |
| Steren | nkinkade: yes just uploading acawiki skin | 15:39 |
| nkinkade | Steren: Cool ... can you just ping me when you're done. I'd like to install some updates and reboot. | 15:40 |
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| Steren | nkinkade: sure, I'm done in about 2 minutes | 15:40 |
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| Steren | nkinkade: Ok I've finished | 15:42 |
| nkinkade | Steren: Great, thanks. I'll update and reboot now. | 15:42 |
| nkinkade | Steren: You've got an open terminal on there. Do you want to close that first? | 15:43 |
| Steren | thanks, it's closed now | 15:43 |
| Steren | it's time for me to study some Spanish, have a nice day | 15:44 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: Any info regarding the backup machine? | 19:04 |
| nkinkade | Oh, and hi! | 19:05 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Hi! | 19:05 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 19:05 |
| paulproteus | I'm at home right now, actually, playing with my new laptop. | 19:05 |
| paulproteus | I mean, working from home. | 19:05 |
| nkinkade | Sounds like your new X300 was a purchase you don't regret. | 19:05 |
| paulproteus | Not yet! (-; | 19:05 |
| paulproteus | The keyboard is really phenomenally good. | 19:06 |
| paulproteus | That's really the best part. | 19:06 |
| nkinkade | $2K good? | 19:06 |
| paulproteus | *That's* a good question. (-: | 19:06 |
| nkinkade | haha. | 19:06 |
| paulproteus | Across three years: probably. | 19:06 |
| paulproteus | The real question is how it compares to the T400's keyboard, which I suspect is identical or at least interchangeable. | 19:06 |
| nkinkade | Let me see if I can recruit Bovinity to take a look at the backup machine. | 19:06 |
| Bovinity | hmm? | 19:07 |
| paulproteus | The other thing is maybe I should have picked a machine with a twelve-inch screen. | 19:07 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity, There's this machine in the corner of the office behind the massive copier. | 19:07 |
| Bovinity | yes | 19:07 |
| paulproteus | It stores 1T disks and backups. | 19:07 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: The backup machine seems to be running, and perhaps even working, but I can't SSH into it for some reason. | 19:07 |
| paulproteus | It's pingable but not sshable. | 19:07 |
| Bovinity | yeah, i noticed that last night when NK asked | 19:07 |
| Bovinity | nmap says ssh is open | 19:07 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: You could try to put a monitor and keyboard on it, or you could just hold down the power button. | 19:08 |
| nkinkade | The former, of course, would be better, but the latter would be much much more expeditious. | 19:08 |
| paulproteus | BTW, I'm using my fingerprint as my sudo and login password. | 19:09 |
| Bovinity | is the backup machine actually running smtp, or is nmap being misleading? | 19:10 |
| paulproteus | I set it up as an Asheesh-SMTP-over-SSH-tunnel-style SMTP gateway for the office. | 19:10 |
| paulproteus | Since iirc there were problems or miscommunications about our DSL ISP's SMTP. | 19:11 |
| Bovinity | i'd still expect it to respond to smtp commands when i telnet. so that sounds broken too. | 19:11 |
| paulproteus | I promise I haven't touched it! | 19:11 |
| paulproteus | (-; | 19:11 |
| nkinkade | It seems that Postfix is even having a problem. | 19:12 |
| nkinkade | I can connect to port 25, but I get no response. | 19:12 |
| Bovinity | i reset it | 19:13 |
| Bovinity | working now. | 19:14 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Thanks. The 1TB disk is surprisingly full. | 19:15 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, Are you rebooting a7 all the time? | 20:19 |
| paulproteus | You keep breaking herder-dot, which is why I keep noticing. | 20:20 |
| paulproteus | I mean, I guess it's fine, and I should probably set up some init script anyway. | 20:20 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: No, I only rebooted it once, earlier today, and I thought I had restarted herder. | 20:22 |
| nkinkade | Was it not working in some way? | 20:22 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Why don't you make herder startup automatically in /etc/rc.local or something like that? | 20:23 |
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| paulproteus | I will one of these days. | 20:25 |
| paulproteus | re: startup automatically | 20:25 |
| nkinkade | does "./bin/paste serve live.ini" not do it? | 20:26 |
| paulproteus | bin/paster, yeah. | 20:26 |
| paulproteus | But it runs in the foreground. | 20:26 |
| nkinkade | I wasn't sure, but that's what I ran. | 20:26 |
| paulproteus | So I leave it running in a screen. | 20:26 |
| nkinkade | I backgrounded it. | 20:26 |
| nkinkade | Ah ha. | 20:26 |
| paulproteus | Maybe it doesn't like when its controlling tty goes away, but takes a while to notice, or something. | 20:26 |
| nkinkade | I wasn't even sure if that was the right startup command, but just poking around that seemed reasonable and it even made herder seem to work. | 20:26 |
| * paulproteus nods enthusiastically. | 20:27 | |
| nkinkade | I guess I only tested that that started herder when it was running in the foreground, then I stopped it and restarted it with &, but didn't check again. Shucks. | 20:27 |
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| paulproteus | No big deal; it has no users yet, it's just in alpha. | 20:27 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Does it need to run as your user? | 20:27 |
| paulproteus | It really should, yeah. | 20:27 |
| nkinkade | Okay, I'm going to add the startup to rc.local, so this doesn't happen again, though it's been quite a while since I last rebooted a7. | 20:28 |
| paulproteus | Okay. | 20:28 |
| paulproteus | Thanks! | 20:28 |
| nkinkade | I never got around to rebooting a week or two ago, so I just decided to do it today. | 20:28 |
| paulproteus | Cool. | 20:28 |
| BjornW | paulproteus: got a second? Its about the key error I got. | 20:32 |
| paulproteus | BjornW, Ya | 20:32 |
| BjornW | paulproteus: I followed the instructions to the letter, but I think I got the error due to setting up a previous key for this repository. Any clue how to check if this is the case? | 20:34 |
| paulproteus | Basically, that shouldn't be a problem. | 20:35 |
| paulproteus | APT doesn't store key to repository mappings. | 20:35 |
| paulproteus | Can you just pastebin a shell transcript of you following it to the letter for me? | 20:35 |
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| BjornW | paulproteus: sure is a script file ok? | 20:36 |
| paulproteus | Well, I'd rather see a pastebin of a shell transcript so I can see what your system replied to the commands. | 20:37 |
| BjornW | paulproteus: I don't belief this. No error this time, but I can see some repositories being 'ignored' see http://pastie.org/278009 | 20:40 |
| BjornW | paulproteus: I'm gonna try to install liblicense | 20:41 |
| paulproteus | Please! | 20:41 |
| paulproteus | BTW, greg-g reports it may fail due to an independent problem of mine. | 20:42 |
| paulproteus | liblicense-cli is a good package to install. | 20:42 |
| BjornW | paulproteus: ok, I'll start with the cli version. Are there any php wrappers or bindings already available? | 20:43 |
| paulproteus | There aren't, and that would a great thing to have. | 20:43 |
| paulproteus | There are Python bindings, though. | 20:43 |
| BjornW | paulproteus: I've AFAIK never made any bindings, but I can certainly create some php wrapper. I might even try to learn and create php bindings. | 20:45 |
| greg-g | BjornW: did it install ok? and what distro are you on? | 20:45 |
| BjornW | greg-g: installing seemed to be ok. I'm on Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy) | 20:46 |
| greg-g | hrmmm | 20:46 |
| greg-g | you installed liblicense-cli? | 20:46 |
| BjornW | yep | 20:46 |
| paulproteus | Wow, more updates to Tiny Tiny RSS! | 20:46 |
| paulproteus | This thing is pretty seriously maintained. | 20:46 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: awesome | 20:46 |
| paulproteus | BTW, greg-g, I'm "trying out" (AKA turning to the dark side of using applications on the Web) TTRS despite my previous professed love for feed2imap. | 20:47 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: :) awesome, but it is locally hosted, so itisn't as bad as other applications on the web! | 20:47 |
| paulproteus | That's what I keep telling myself. | 20:48 |
| paulproteus | Inline MP3 flash player for podcasts? That sounds cool, and probably works with Gnash/Swfdec. | 20:49 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Just ignore any messages you get from Nagios about herder until I get the startup script set. | 20:49 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Okay. | 20:49 |
| greg-g | wth, why can't I install liblicense-cli? | 20:49 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, Probably you have some of my more evil earlier packages installed with crazy crazy dependencies. | 20:50 |
| paulproteus | I tried to normalize them out with the 0.8 series. | 20:50 |
| paulproteus | dpkg -l | grep liblicense | 20:50 |
| paulproteus | Well, the T-Mobile Android phone is $179 (perhaps that includes the new account discount, though). | 20:50 |
| greg-g | http://paste2.org/p/77861 | 20:50 |
| * paulproteus avoids saying "RIP OpenMoko" | 20:50 | |
| paulproteus | greg-g, Huh? | 20:50 |
| greg-g | rc liblicense2 0.7.0-1+cc+amd64+1 | 20:51 |
| paulproteus | Oh! | 20:51 |
| paulproteus | Got it. | 20:51 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, remove that sucker. | 20:51 |
| BjornW | greg-g: mine got removed automatically | 20:51 |
| paulproteus | Whoa, other people than greg-g installed my earlier packages? | 20:51 |
| * paulproteus is blown away | 20:51 | |
| greg-g | apt-cache policy liblicense2 | 20:51 |
| greg-g | liblicense2: Installed: (none) Candidate: 0.7.0-1+cc+amd64+1 | 20:51 |
| BjornW | paulproteus: c'mon you know there are other geeks interested in this stuff don't you ;) | 20:52 |
| paulproteus | BjornW, I do hope so, but sometimes I wonder... (-: | 20:52 |
| BjornW | paulproteus: now may I bitch a bit about the formatting of license -m ? :P | 20:53 |
| greg-g | http://paste2.org/p/77863 | 20:53 |
| paulproteus | BjornW, Yes, it sucks. (-: | 20:53 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, Yeah, "rc" != "ii", curiously | 20:53 |
| paulproteus | dpkg --purge it if you like. | 20:53 |
| paulproteus | rc means just config files remain. | 20:53 |
| greg-g | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHH!!!!! | 20:53 |
| paulproteus | That shouldn't create conflicts. | 20:54 |
| paulproteus | As far as I know... | 20:54 |
| paulproteus | Since config files really shouldn't be conflicting with anything else. | 20:54 |
| paulproteus | And these packages don't even have config files. | 20:55 |
| paulproteus | I think. | 20:55 |
| greg-g | is liblicense2 supposed to be at .8-1? or .7.0? | 20:57 |
| greg-g | BjornW: 64bit or 32? | 20:57 |
| BjornW | paulproteus: mhhm whats the diff between liblicense2 and 3? | 20:57 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: I'm thinking this maybe a packages aren't built for 64bit issue? | 20:58 |
| BjornW | greg-g: 32-bit. 64 is asking for pain, besides I've only 2GB ram | 20:58 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, Ah-hah That's very likely. | 20:58 |
| paulproteus | (again) | 20:58 |
| paulproteus | Ooh, Cheese works properly with the laptop's camera. | 20:59 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: planet [Debian|Ubuntu|GNOME] meme time? ;) | 21:00 |
| paulproteus | Okay! | 21:00 |
| BjornW | newbie snake handler question: where can I find the liblicense python bindings after install? | 21:03 |
| paulproteus | python | 21:04 |
| Bovinity | paulproteus: how are you liking it? | 21:04 |
| paulproteus | import liblicense | 21:04 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity, Which "it"? | 21:04 |
| Bovinity | paulproteus: the laptop | 21:04 |
| paulproteus | It's not totally clear to me that it was worth all that money, but I'm certainly enjoying it. | 21:05 |
| paulproteus | Sometimes I just think, "Man this thing is so light, it's awesome." | 21:05 |
| paulproteus | It may become clear to me later. (-: | 21:05 |
| BjornW | paulproteus: I meant the path ;) | 21:05 |
| paulproteus | BjornW, It's sort of complicated. (-: | 21:05 |
| paulproteus | The best way to find out is: | 21:05 |
| paulproteus | import liblicense | 21:05 |
| paulproteus | liblicense | 21:05 |
| paulproteus | That last statement will have python show you where its bindings are. | 21:06 |
| BjornW | paulproteus: mucho gracias. FYI it ended up here: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/liblicense/__init__.pyc | 21:07 |
| paulproteus | BjornW, Sure, but that's only the half of it. (-; | 21:08 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: herder seems to be working backgrounded. Does that sound right to you? | 21:08 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, It's running in my screen. Did you also kill it there? | 21:08 |
| nkinkade | I did a killall paster. | 21:08 |
| paulproteus | Okay, great. | 21:08 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, I fear it'll die when its controlling tty goes away. | 21:08 |
| paulproteus | BTW Nagios thinks it's down. | 21:09 |
| BjornW | paulproteus: btw are there already any plans or people working on liblicense with php? | 21:09 |
| paulproteus | No plans and no people. | 21:10 |
| paulproteus | Just you! (-: | 21:10 |
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| BjornW | paulproteus: ok, you're doomed :D | 21:10 |
| paulproteus | I look forward to discovering that for real. (-: | 21:10 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Which controlling tty would that be? I though that using & would detach it from any controlling terminal? | 21:10 |
| nkinkade | Or does that just force it to background at startup? | 21:11 |
| paulproteus | #2 | 21:11 |
| nkinkade | Ah, well if it's of any interest I ran it as sudo su. Let me kill the terminal and see what happens. | 21:11 |
| BjornW | paulproteus: I'll have a closer look and write down my ideas in a mail to cc-devel. | 21:12 |
| paulproteus | BjornW, Sounds great. | 21:12 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Cool. | 21:12 |
| paulproteus | BTW, this may not be worth the effort. | 21:12 |
| paulproteus | Me running it in a screen for now may be totally fine until we have, like, users. | 21:12 |
| BjornW | bye guys, gonna catch some sleep | 21:12 |
| paulproteus | And the Paste documentation (or #something) is likely to yield high-quality answers. | 21:12 |
| paulproteus | Night BjornW! | 21:12 |
| greg-g | later BjornW | 21:12 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I totally logged out of a7 and it's still there. | 21:12 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Okay - the controlling tty thing was just a guess. | 21:13 |
| paulproteus | If it works, I'm okay with that! | 21:13 |
| nkinkade | Will you buy that for $1? | 21:13 |
| paulproteus | I don't know, I'm out of cash since buying this laptop. | 21:15 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, re: Herder: I just got a Nagios warning. Yet somehow, it's actually up. | 22:28 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I was noticing that. How recent is the message? | 22:32 |
| nkinkade | There were a couple of messages earlier, but I don't see any now. Strangely there was not OK message when it came back up. | 22:33 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I assume your whizbang 2010 laptop has an integrated webcam? | 22:33 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Ya. | 22:33 |
| nkinkade | Wanna try out ekiga? | 22:34 |
| nkinkade | aptitude install ekiga should do it. | 22:34 |
| nkinkade | And then creating an account at ekiga.net. | 22:34 |
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| paulproteus | Oh, I'm running a kernel that doesn't have audio drivers. | 22:36 |
| paulproteus | And Ekiga doesn't like the cam, even though Cheese does. | 22:37 |
| paulproteus | And I'm behind symmetric NAT that Ekiga isn't confident it can tunnel out of. | 22:38 |
| paulproteus | Wow, that JsWidget bug was dumb. | 22:47 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Isn't that what SIP is supposed to help with? I think it can usually get out from behind a firewall. | 22:48 |
| paulproteus | That's what STUN is supposed to help with, and it is usually able to. | 22:48 |
| paulproteus | I'm impressed. )-: | 22:48 |
| nkinkade | Is it that Ekiga doesn't like the cam, or is it lack of a driver? | 22:49 |
| paulproteus | Cheese works fine. | 22:49 |
| paulproteus | Maybe it doesn't work well under V4L2, the API Ekiga is using. | 22:49 |
| paulproteus | I don't have any real ideas. | 22:49 |
| nkinkade | Neither do I. | 22:49 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: SYN | 23:04 |
| paulproteus | nathany, ACK | 23:05 |
| nathany | if i'm looking at doing some pylons work, any reason to go with 0.97beta vs. 0.96.2? | 23:06 |
| nathany | er, 0.9.7 v. 0.9.6.2 | 23:06 |
| paulproteus | I don't know of any specific ones other than, "It's the future," which means you're in supported-land for more of the future. | 23:07 |
| paulproteus | Oh, I guess Genshi integration is better in 7. | 23:07 |
| nathany | ok, cool | 23:07 |
| paulproteus | Given no significant reasons other than it, I would pick the supported-land-for-more-of-the-future. | 23:08 |
| nathany | right, makes sense... just curious if there was anything super compelling | 23:10 |
| paulproteus | I could have missed stuff, but I don't know of any. (-: | 23:11 |
| paulproteus | In a way, it's hilarious when pam hangs. | 23:15 |
| nkinkade | I know I always ROFL when pam hangs, then again I'm not sure it's ever happened to me. | 23:16 |
| paulproteus | It's super secure, in a way. | 23:18 |
| paulproteus | 'Cause no more authentications will happen. | 23:19 |
| nkinkade | By the way, paulproteus and nathany, I'm tempted to want to put a little more memory in a7 and possibly a5. | 23:20 |
| nkinkade | a7 has gone down for the last 2 nights. dmesg is full of "cannot allocate page" errors. | 23:21 |
| nkinkade | Sorry, that is "swapper: page allocation failure" | 23:22 |
| nkinkade | Interestingly, it also reports that there is lots of swap available. | 23:22 |
| paulproteus | That is curious. | 23:22 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i'm curious why the up-tick in problems | 23:22 |
| nkinkade | Total swap = 2650684kB .... Free swap: 2124760kB | 23:23 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: The problem are transient, and the watchdog script usually corrects it in a matter of a minute or two. | 23:24 |
| paulproteus | I do wonder what is happening. | 23:24 |
| nkinkade | I'm not sure, but one guess is that it's just spikes in traffic that overwhelm the machine temporarily. | 23:24 |
| nkinkade | It could be something else. | 23:24 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: You can login to a7 and look at dmesg. The end parts are not easy to read. | 23:25 |
| nkinkade | What I'm going to do tomorrow is enhance the watchdog script to also dump some stats about the machine at the time that it notices a potential failure ... such as concurrent, unique connections, memory usage, processor usage, etc. | 23:27 |
| * paulproteus will avoid dmesg for now then | 23:27 | |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Feel free to look at dmesg, but unless you have a deep understanding of reading kernel backtraces, then it may not be worth the time. | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | In any case, I feel like a few extra GB of memory couldn't hurt those machines in any way ... | 23:30 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, Maybe the Ekiga video problem was due to another app using the device. | 23:48 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Well, if you can figure it out then I'm game to give it a try. | 23:49 |
| paulproteus | Still timing out on the NAT nonsense. | 23:49 |
| paulproteus | I could fix it, but I will just not look at it and instead do some work. (-: | 23:50 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: But another way to look at it would be that to fix it will benefit our meetings, though it may not take precedence over some other things. | 23:52 |
| paulproteus | Well, I'm at some taqueria in the Mission, and I can always VPN or SSH tunnel out of here to somewhere that has a real IP. | 23:54 |
| paulproteus | Or not be in this lame cone NAT. | 23:54 |
| paulproteus | (Actually it's Papalote, not just any taqueria.) | 23:54 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: regarding the Server Beach stats, based on some forum threads at their site, it would appear that they do not provide your actual bandwidth usage, and will only notify you if you go over. | 23:56 |
| nkinkade | So much for that idea. Though I guess there is nothing stopping us from monitoring on our own server-side. | 23:57 |
| nkinkade | But I don't have plans to do it. | 23:57 |
| paulproteus | ifconfig eth0 will say, too. | 23:57 |
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| nkinkade | That will only give the stats since the last reboot, correct? | 23:57 |
| paulproteus | Yeah. | 23:57 |
| nkinkade | Well, I rebooted this morning. | 23:58 |
| nkinkade | But I suppose you could extrapolate. | 23:58 |
| nkinkade | netstat should also do well for that. | 23:58 |
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| paulproteus | eth0 on i-dot (a8) is 14GiB in 8h of uptime | 23:58 |
| paulproteus | =approx= 42GiB/day | 23:58 |
| paulproteus | =approx= 630 GiB in the 15-day period where rose sent out 2TiB. | 23:59 |
| paulproteus | That's ca. 4Mbits/s, by trivial careless mind arithmetic | 23:59 |
| paulproteus | Maybe more like 3. | 23:59 |
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