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| bse | nkinkade1: when you get a chance, can you add me to sudoers on a9 | 00:27 |
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| nkinkade1 | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/12/28/unny-pictures-from-anotha-motha/ | 00:28 |
| nkinkade1 | bse: Your identity changes are stressful for me. | 00:28 |
| nkinkade1 | paulproteus: There are a couple new invisible ones, but not too many. | 00:29 |
| nkinkade1 | paulproteus: Oh, and by the way, I got around the Mediawiki/APC things by setting apc.filters ... I just excluded the file User.php from being cached and logins seem to work again. Strange. | 00:29 |
| nkinkade1 | I mention it because maybe you'll come across something like that with the FC Mediawiki install. | 00:30 |
| bse | stressful for me too, when i don't time out. | 00:30 |
| nkinkade1 | bse: You are in the sudoers file on a9. | 00:31 |
| nkinkade1 | Did nathany create an account for you there? | 00:32 |
| bse | yep | 00:32 |
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| nkinkade1 | bse: But he played a cruel joke on you: alex:x:1004:1004::/home/alex:/bin/sh | 00:32 |
| nkinkade1 | /bin/sh! | 00:32 |
| * bse cries at the cruelty | 00:33 | |
| nkinkade1 | Oh, heavens. His own default shell is /bin/sh! | 00:33 |
| bse | good job it's just a symlink to bash | 00:33 |
| nkinkade1 | Oh. Phwew. | 00:33 |
| bse | unless you prefer tcsh, and find bash the devil's shell | 00:34 |
| nkinkade1 | paulproteus: You've got an account a9, too. | 00:35 |
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| barfos | Hello all | 04:10 |
| barfos | I have a question which isn't directly related to CC | 04:11 |
| barfos | Is it ethical to sell photographs of a mural if you yourself are not the creator of the mural? I can understand where the photographer may take some liberties in the composition of the photo, adding elements which may add to or juxtapose the original artwork. But what if the photograph is straight on, almost a photocopy. Should most if not all credit be due to the original artist? | 04:12 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: the debian package for roundup is oollllddd | 17:21 |
| nathany | i'm going to install from source in /var/www/code/roundup | 17:21 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Does it throw libraries and config files all over the place? | 17:21 |
| nkinkade | Or is it self-contained, more or less? | 17:22 |
| nathany | nkinkade: no, i'm going to use virtualenv to keep it self-contained | 17:22 |
| nathany | (virtualenv is similar to buildout in that it keeps things together, but does it in a different way -- more shell like) | 17:22 |
| nkinkade | Okay, cool. | 17:22 |
| nkinkade | Would it be possible to build a Debian package from the new source? | 17:22 |
| nathany | i'm sure it's *possible* ;) | 17:23 |
| nathany | but beyond my dpkg-foo at the moment | 17:23 |
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| nathany | lenny/sid has newer packages so we can start there if you feel strongly | 17:23 |
| nkinkade | nathany: It's easy enough to install from source. | 17:25 |
| nkinkade | If the packages in sid or lenny are acceptably new, then I would prefer that. | 17:25 |
| nkinkade | It should be as easy as something like: | 17:25 |
| nkinkade | # apt-src -bi install roundup | 17:25 |
| nkinkade | It's possible that there could be dependency issues, but it couldn't hurt to try. | 17:26 |
| nathany | that just rebuilds it, right? | 17:26 |
| paulproteus | It can be that easy / when Debian is the intermediary. | 17:26 |
| nathany | ok, i don't understand the apt-src line at all; why would that give me a newer version than what's in the repository? | 17:28 |
| nathany | nkinkade: ^^ | 17:28 |
| nathany | i'll try and pull the package from the newer version -- i forget, which is better to use, testing or unstable? | 17:28 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Because /etc/apt/sources.list is configured to fetch source installs from sid, not etch. | 17:28 |
| nathany | paulproteus: ^^ | 17:28 |
| nathany | oh | 17:28 |
| nathany | got it | 17:28 |
| paulproteus | deb-src | 17:29 |
| nathany | /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: line 193: fakeroot: command not found | 17:30 |
| paulproteus | sudo apt-get install build-essential | 17:31 |
| nathany | build-essential is already the newest version. | 17:31 |
| nathany | . | 17:31 |
| paulproteus | I'm pretty sure fakeroot's in the build-essential metapackage. | 17:31 |
| paulproteus | Guess not! | 17:31 |
| paulproteus | apt-get build-dep $package_you_are_trying_to_install | 17:31 |
| nathany | nathan@a7:~$ sudo apt-get install fakeroot | 17:31 |
| nathany | Reading package lists... Done | 17:31 |
| nathany | Building dependency tree... Done | 17:31 |
| nathany | fakeroot is already the newest version. | 17:31 |
| nathany | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 17:31 |
| nathany | nathan@a7:~$ | 17:31 |
| nathany | nathan@a7:~$ sudo apt-get build-dep roundup | 17:32 |
| nathany | Reading package lists... Done | 17:32 |
| nathany | Building dependency tree... Done | 17:32 |
| nathany | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 17:32 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, zing. | 17:41 |
| nathany | paulproteus: zong | 17:41 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: it's reasonable to expect that a7 can send outbound mail, correct? | 17:49 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Yes, it can send outbound mail fine. | 17:49 |
| nathany | great | 17:49 |
| nathany | thanks | 17:49 |
| nkinkade | We get messages from Nagios all the time. :-) | 17:49 |
| nkinkade | But port 25 is not open to the outside world on a7, so bounces won't work unless they are rejected during the initial outbound connection attempt. | 17:51 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, FWIW I made an egg of jToolkit; I saw in an earlier version of the i18ntool you had imported the whole thing into svn. | 18:20 |
| nathany | great | 18:20 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: It seems that every license names is suffixed with the English word "License" ... that is coming from the API, right? | 18:25 |
| nkinkade | For example: "Reconocimiento-No comercial-Sin obras derivadas 3.0 Ecuador License" | 18:26 |
| nathany | nkinkade: where? | 18:26 |
| nathany | on the deeds? | 18:26 |
| nkinkade | On the license chooser. | 18:26 |
| nathany | (almost certainly not coming from API, possibly coming from XSLT) | 18:26 |
| nkinkade | Bogdan pointed it out to me for the Romania licenses and I verified it for the Ecuador licenses, too. I suspect they all exhibit that?? | 18:27 |
| nkinkade | nathany: So basically it's not presently something that is translatable, it seems. | 18:27 |
| nkinkade | Maybe we should tack it onto the TODO list. | 18:28 |
| nathany | nkinkade: open a bug for the "license engine" project | 18:28 |
| nathany | http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue?@template=item | 18:28 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I will, and one other thing while I've got you here. :-) How about the <title>s for the Deeds, should those not also be localized? | 18:29 |
| nkinkade | For example, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ec/. Seems like that would be pretty easy to fix. | 18:29 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yes, it should be, IIRC it's not an easy fix given the current processing model | 18:35 |
| nathany | two bugs :) | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Registration worked perfectly. | 18:39 |
| nathany | awesome | 18:39 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: let me know when you've registered with Roundup and i'll make you an admin | 19:19 |
| paulproteus | I have! | 19:19 |
| paulproteus | I'm paulproteus. | 19:19 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: no, you haven't | 19:59 |
| nathany | you may have been registering just as i flushed the database to reset some perms i had wrong initially | 19:59 |
| nathany | please re-register | 19:59 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, Okay. | 21:01 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Are there any special backup considerations for the commoner.cc stuff on a9? | 21:08 |
| nathany | nkinkade: not at the moment | 21:08 |
| nathany | you have the MySQL database, and we'll probably have an extra directory with user photos in it | 21:08 |
| nkinkade | Just wanted to be sure that /etc, /var, /usr/local, /home and what not is enough. | 21:09 |
| nathany | if you back up the directory in /var/www that should do it | 21:09 |
| * paulproteus is still a fan of backing up all of every filesystem | 21:09 | |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: Central Computer has the same Seagate 1TB drive for cheaper than amazon.com. | 21:51 |
| paulproteus | This is what I'm talking about. | 21:51 |
| nkinkade | My mind reels at the concept. | 21:51 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: are things cool with rose? | 21:57 |
| paulproteus | It stopped accepting new SSH connections around 10 AM. | 21:57 |
| paulproteus | I don't know why, but at 2:20 PM or so I rebooted it. | 21:57 |
| paulproteus | Sorry about the disruption. | 21:57 |
| paulproteus | If I had a shell open already I could have probably diagnosed it. | 21:57 |
| greg-g | no worries | 21:57 |
| greg-g | right | 21:57 |
| paulproteus | Restarting the SSH daemon probably would have been enough. | 21:58 |
| greg-g | yeah, that is what I read when I was researching the error message/verbose output | 21:58 |
| greg-g | but the talk about harddrive prices is unrelated then? nothing happened hardware wise? | 21:59 |
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| * greg-g will take that as a yes | 22:03 | |
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| paulproteus | greg-g, Oh, no, hard drive prices are about the CC backups. | 22:05 |
| paulproteus | "researching the error message/verbose output"? | 22:06 |
| paulproteus | Oh, that restarting sshd would have been enough? | 22:06 |
| greg-g | re: 1) good deal 2) and yes | 22:06 |
| * paulproteus nods | 22:06 | |
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| nkinkade | http://www.roflcat.com/ | 22:15 |
| nkinkade | An imitator. | 22:15 |
| nkinkade | http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/2l8di55.jpg | 22:15 |
| paulproteus | Some are good, though. | 22:16 |
| paulproteus | Shoryuken. | 22:16 |
| paulproteus | So is "critical mass." | 22:17 |
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| paulproteus | So is HALP. | 22:17 |
| paulproteus | Jazz Hands! | 22:17 |
| nkinkade | Ninja Cat: http://www.roflcat.com/ninja-cat-kicks-dog.php | 22:17 |
| paulproteus | I Sense Danger | 22:18 |
| paulproteus | "It's dangerous to go alone. Take this." | 22:18 |
| paulproteus | I have two things I would like to bring up. | 22:19 |
| paulproteus | The first: https://www.cia.gov/search-ui/icons/VERITY.GIF | 22:19 |
| paulproteus | The second: https://www.cia.gov/search?NS-max-records=s[1]%22%3E%3Cscript%3Ealert(%27i_love_cia_safety%27)%3C/script%3E | 22:19 |
| paulproteus | I suppose I'll bring up a third one, also at cia.gov: | 22:22 |
| paulproteus | https://www.cia.gov/search?NS-max-records=s[1]%22%3E%3Cscript%3Edocument.body.innerHTML=%27%3Ch1%3Erofl%20mao%3C/h1%3E%20%3Cimg%20src=%22http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/dogkick.jpg%22%3E%27;%3C/script%3E | 22:22 |
| paulproteus | https://www.cia.gov/search?NS-max-records=s[1]%22%3E%3Cscript%3Edocument.body.innerHTML=%27%3Ch1%3Erofl%20mao%3C/h1%3E%20%3Cimg%20src=%22http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/dogkick.jpg%22%3E%3Ch2%20style=%22text-align:%20right%22;%3EBrought%20to%20you%20by%20cia.gov,%20via%20Secure%20HTTP.%3C/p%3E%27;%3C/script%3E | 22:23 |
| paulproteus | Okay, I'm done now. | 22:23 |
| greg-g | nice | 22:23 |
| nathany | paulproteus: http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/08/28/basic-electronics-sy.html | 22:32 |
| paulproteus | http://dev.laptop.org/~cscott/ul_warning.png | 22:33 |
| paulproteus | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Replacing_the_shutdown_screen has more details. | 22:37 |
| paulproteus | ಠ_ಠ | 22:38 |
| paulproteus | Whoa. | 22:38 |
| paulproteus | c.f. http://encyclopediadramatica.com/%E0%B2%A0_%E0%B2%A0 | 22:38 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: Would you tell me if rose saw a message to rolf@nkinka.de? | 23:00 |
| nkinkade | I didn't get a bounce, but clearly that's a bogus address. | 23:00 |
| nkinkade | Well, not *clearly*, but it is. :-) | 23:00 |
| paulproteus | Okay, one moment. | 23:00 |
| nkinkade | No rush. | 23:00 |
| nkinkade | I'm going to use a more explicitly false address. Something like cia@security-r-us.gov | 23:01 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Sitting in a greylist. | 23:01 |
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