| nkinkade | From the CiviMail setup directions: "for all debian/ubuntu-like distributions, you will probably be best served by doing an install of the packages that your OS thinks are best likely to meet the dependencies of the inscrutable amavsid .deb file" | 00:01 |
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| nkinkade | Apparently .deb files are inscrutable. | 00:02 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: Are packages of the form <something>-perl always perl modules, to your knowledge. | 00:11 |
| nkinkade | ? | 00:11 |
| paulproteus | Yes. | 00:11 |
| nkinkade | That was easy. | 00:11 |
| paulproteus | It's libsomething-perl, though, that's the real pattern to match. | 00:11 |
| paulproteus | libwww-perl | 00:12 |
| paulproteus | libyour-mom-perl would be Your::Mom. | 00:12 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: i assume paulproteus is gone (since he appears away)? | 00:36 |
| nathany | nkinkade: also, i just "approved" the ssl cert issuance | 00:37 |
| nkinkade | nathany: He's here. | 00:37 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Hi | 00:37 |
| nathany | hey | 00:37 |
| nathany | just saw your email, wondered if irc was ~= in person | 00:38 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus appears many things that he isn't. | 00:38 |
| nkinkade | ;-) | 00:38 |
| nkinkade | Just kidding. | 00:38 |
| nathany | lol | 00:38 |
| paulproteus | Maybe, but I'm going to run home now instead! | 00:39 |
| nkinkade | And he is many things that he doesn't appear to be, conversely. :-) | 00:40 |
| nathany | paulproteus: ok | 00:40 |
| Bovinity | nathany: http://www.djangoproject.com/weblog/2008/sep/03/1/ | 00:59 |
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| nathany | Bovinity: sweet | 01:01 |
| nathany | I'll update the commoner.cc deployment tomorrow | 01:02 |
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| hdworak | hi :) | 07:55 |
| hdworak | I've spotted that the file uploads to Google can't contain any work done after Aug 18th, so I've just uploaded what we had back then | 07:55 |
| hdworak | http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code-2008-cc/downloads/list | 07:55 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: ^^^ | 07:55 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: SYN | 15:17 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, ACK | 16:44 |
| nathany | paulproteus: nevermind; i just decided to ask forgiveness instead of permission (well, presumably, once i push the branch) | 16:46 |
| paulproteus | Sounds good to me. (-: | 16:46 |
| nathany | paulproteus: btw, how do you feel generally about Domains and Languages just implementing the Python container protocol instead of special properties? | 16:53 |
| paulproteus | "Python container protocol"? | 16:53 |
| paulproteus | Oh, like a list? | 16:53 |
| nathany | __len__, __get__, __iter__, etc | 16:53 |
| nathany | or dict | 16:53 |
| paulproteus | I have no strong feelings; if it seems appropriate, then let's use it. | 16:54 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, So SYN re: websetup | 17:04 |
| nathany | YES | 17:04 |
| nathany | er, yes | 17:05 |
| * paulproteus 's eyes widen | 17:05 | |
| Bovinity | it's the devils music, makes you shout. | 17:05 |
| nathany | paulproteus: if you were in the office you too could enjoy the local network streaming of the All Skate mix | 17:06 |
| * paulproteus skates in | 17:06 | |
| paulproteus | nathany, The latest websetup.py in master (oops, meant that to be in a branch) has setup_config() take more arguments and prompt you if you don't pass it in a bureaucrat_username or bureaucrat_password. | 17:08 |
| paulproteus | I don't see how to pass it in one. The test runner should pass one in so it can be non-interactive. | 17:08 |
| paulproteus | It looks to me like it's never directly called, but called indirectly via some paster thing. | 17:08 |
| paulproteus | Do you see what I'm trying to do, and do you have any suggestion as to how to? | 17:09 |
| nathany | i do | 17:09 |
| nathany | (see) | 17:09 |
| * paulproteus nods | 17:09 | |
| nathany | perhaps your test.ini could define default values to use? | 17:10 |
| nathany | so you check if they're defined in the configuration, if they're not, you prompt | 17:10 |
| nathany | it feels like test-time configuration data to me | 17:10 |
| paulproteus | I was thinking: | 17:11 |
| paulproteus | test parses the ini | 17:11 |
| paulproteus | test behind the ini file's back adds the values to the config object | 17:11 |
| paulproteus | test proceeds with websetup, which notices the data in the config object | 17:11 |
| nathany | but doesn't testing already get it's own ini file? | 17:11 |
| paulproteus | I guess I can see how that could go in the conf file too. | 17:11 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, it does, I just don't like the idea of using a non-randomly-generated password. But I can just add a stanza in the test ini saying, like: | 17:12 |
| paulproteus | test_mode = true | 17:12 |
| paulproteus | and dispatch based on that anyway. | 17:12 |
| nathany | wait, it's a test | 17:12 |
| paulproteus | That makes enough sense. | 17:12 |
| nathany | who cares if it's random? | 17:12 |
| nathany | :) | 17:12 |
| nathany | anyway, sounds like you've got it figured out | 17:13 |
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| Bovinity | man, this playlist just keeps getting better. | 17:25 |
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| nathany | lol | 17:26 |
| nathany | paulproteus: so i'm writing the script to convert to a PO file | 17:26 |
| nathany | does it make sense to put the Herder -> Babel conversion in herder.lib.babel, or as a method on the herder.Domain? | 17:26 |
| nathany | (ie, Domain.get_catalog()) | 17:27 |
| paulproteus | #2, I'd say, on the Domain | 17:27 |
| nathany | right | 17:28 |
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| paulproteus | re: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nathan_y/2826374704/ : 0, 1 done. | 17:49 |
| nathany | excellent | 17:50 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: doing git push --all is enough to push all those branches, right? | 17:55 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Ya | 17:58 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: I'm going to spend some minutes today finding out why a8 keeps having issues around midnight. It shouldn't be too hard because it seems to happen at the around the same time. | 18:21 |
| nathany | great | 18:21 |
| nkinkade | Just so you know that I'm not ignoring it. :-) | 18:21 |
| nathany | :) | 18:21 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i just pushed my branches | 18:23 |
| nathany | although i realized after doing so that i haven't done any work in the events branch | 18:23 |
| nathany | and "cli" already has "language-container" merged into it | 18:23 |
| paulproteus | Okay, cool. | 18:24 |
| nathany | i'm going to hack on events for ~30 minutes, and i'd like to merge the cli branch into it as a starting point so that i have the latest model code | 18:25 |
| nathany | is that completely insane? | 18:25 |
| * paulproteus blinks | 18:25 | |
| paulproteus | Eh, go ahead. | 18:26 |
| nathany | i know | 18:27 |
| nathany | it's at least slightly insane | 18:27 |
| paulproteus | Heh. | 18:27 |
| paulproteus | It's not very "feature-branch"y, but there aren't massive integration lag times that justify waiting on feature branches until you can merge them. | 18:27 |
| nathany | right | 18:28 |
| nathany | and it seems silly not to start with the language-container work, since that adds/moves places you'd want to dispatch events | 18:28 |
| paulproteus | Wow, you branched from me a while ago. | 18:29 |
| * paulproteus is looking at gitk --all | 18:29 | |
| paulproteus | If possible, I'd rather rebase your changes than just merge them. | 18:29 |
| nathany | by "a while ago" you mean yesterday afternoon? | 18:29 |
| paulproteus | Well, yeah, I just mean in revision history time. | 18:29 |
| paulproteus | As in not-zero-commits-ago. | 18:30 |
| nathany | wrt rebase-ing | 18:31 |
| nathany | 1) i just merged into the events branch; i suppose i could just delete the branch and re-branch from master? | 18:31 |
| nathany | 2) is there a simple command you want me to use to rebase cli into my new events branch? | 18:31 |
| paulproteus | Maybe you could git reset HEAD^1, which should undo the last commit (in your case, the merge). | 18:32 |
| paulproteus | And then you can do, while on that branch: "git rebase origin/master" | 18:32 |
| paulproteus | (make sure to git fetch (or git pull, which includes git fetch) first) | 18:32 |
| nathany | does reset ^n go n actions back in time? | 18:32 |
| nathany | when on which nranch? | 18:32 |
| nathany | branch | 18:32 |
| nathany | events or language-container? | 18:32 |
| paulproteus | Yes re: reset caret n | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | Oh, whichever you want to rebase! | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | re: events or language-container | 18:34 |
| nathany | lol | 18:34 |
| nathany | yeah, i don't know | 18:34 |
| paulproteus | language-container already merged in events, right? | 18:34 |
| paulproteus | Or is it the other way around? | 18:34 |
| nathany | no | 18:34 |
| nathany | neither | 18:34 |
| nathany | cli contains language-container | 18:34 |
| nathany | (was merged) | 18:34 |
| paulproteus | Right, I see that. | 18:34 |
| paulproteus | Then rebase cli. | 18:34 |
| paulproteus | Don't bother fiddling with language-container, I'd say. | 18:35 |
| nathany | ok, so when you say "rebase cli" that puts it into master? | 18:35 |
| paulproteus | Here's what I just did: | 18:35 |
| paulproteus | git checkout origin/cli | 18:36 |
| paulproteus | git branch my_fruity_rebased_cli | 18:36 |
| paulproteus | git checkout my_fruity_rebased_cli | 18:36 |
| paulproteus | git rebase master | 18:36 |
| paulproteus | That rebases the current branch to be on top of the local branch called master. | 18:36 |
| nathany | which gives you a linear history in local master | 18:37 |
| paulproteus | Ya. | 18:37 |
| nathany | remind me again why we care? | 18:37 |
| paulproteus | You do that, and if you like the results, by all means push to master. | 18:37 |
| paulproteus | Well, we don't care *much* but this makes e.g. git bisect way easier. | 18:37 |
| nathany | i was really reconsidering my belief that adopting git was a mistake when merging and branching were going well last night/tonite | 18:37 |
| paulproteus | It's kind of like writing comments. | 18:37 |
| nathany | ok | 18:38 |
| paulproteus | You don't care until you want to figure out something, at which point you don't want to be utterly confused. | 18:38 |
| nathany | so let's say that i don't care about master, since you asked to review the code | 18:38 |
| paulproteus | Sounds good to me. (-; | 18:38 |
| nathany | and i just want to get on with my life, stop caring about this and work on events | 18:38 |
| nathany | (since i've now spent more brain power on git than coding, which === FAIL) | 18:38 |
| paulproteus | Naturally re: FAIL | 18:38 |
| paulproteus | Great, so keep working on events, and one day I will take your branch, make sure I like it, rebase it, and then you can "git merge master" and you'll be working off the current master again. | 18:39 |
| nathany | right, but this is my original question -- i want to merge the CLI work into events, or start from that point | 18:39 |
| nathany | you seemed to imply merging it was not the best approach | 18:39 |
| paulproteus | It's fine for your feature branch. | 18:40 |
| nathany | ok | 18:40 |
| paulproteus | Just know that I intend to squash the history into linear later, which you don't have to care about one bit. | 18:40 |
| paulproteus | (and, in fact, already do not care about one bit) | 18:40 |
| paulproteus | (-; | 18:40 |
| nathany | got it | 18:40 |
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| mlinksva | paulproteus: http://www.eastbayexpress.com/news/uc_police_raid_the_long_haul/Content?oid=820981 | 20:06 |
| paulproteus | mlinksva, on the warrant: "The officer said she could see it when they were done searching, then shooed Miller back outside." | 20:08 |
| paulproteus | Jesus Christ. | 20:08 |
| paulproteus | That's pretty Bad. | 20:09 |
| mlinksva | http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/04/video-footage-of-sar.html | 20:12 |
| mlinksva | not actually worth watching | 20:12 |
| mlinksva | just std evangelical stuff | 20:12 |
| paulproteus | nathany, It's en not en_US that's canonical, right? | 20:14 |
| nathany | paulproteus: yes | 20:14 |
| nathany | we don't really do en_US | 20:14 |
| paulproteus | Sweet. | 20:14 |
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| nathany | Bovinity: will you have any HTML for commoner.cc before your departure today? (just curious) | 20:19 |
| Bovinity | nathany: the mock is looking more complete. i can probably get a 0.1 template before i /part | 20:20 |
| nathany | awesome | 20:20 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, For the Pootle auth file import, where is a sample Pootle file I can read, and do you expect that to be done over a web interface? | 20:31 |
| paulproteus | Or a CLI? | 20:31 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i expect the pootle import to be one-off-ish | 20:32 |
| nathany | so CLI at best | 20:32 |
| paulproteus | Hah. | 20:32 |
| nathany | /etc/pootle/users.?? on translate.cc.org | 20:32 |
| * paulproteus nods | 20:32 | |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, can I rename /etc.LOL/ on a7 or something? It interrupts my tab completion of /etc. | 20:33 |
| paulproteus | Maybe I'll mv it to /root/etc.old/ ? | 20:33 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Sure. | 20:34 |
| paulproteus | I just did this on a7: | 20:34 |
| paulproteus | a7:/etc/pootle# mkdir /root/old/ | 20:34 |
| paulproteus | a7:/etc/pootle# mv /etc.LOL/ /root/old | 20:34 |
| paulproteus | a7:/etc/pootle# mv /root.LOL/ /root/old | 20:34 |
| paulproteus | Just FYI. | 20:34 |
| paulproteus | nathany, We need to enqueue data validity checks somewhere in the roadmap. | 20:35 |
| paulproteus | Maybe we should be maintaining the roadmap on wiki.cc? | 20:36 |
| nathany | paulproteus: wrt variable interpolation? | 20:36 |
| paulproteus | I was thinking HTML validation. | 20:36 |
| paulproteus | But variable interpolation too. | 20:36 |
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| paulproteus | http://roundup.sourceforge.net/doc-1.0/features.html says milestones in it. | 20:40 |
| paulproteus | "# issues have their own mini mailing list (nosy list)" | 20:40 |
| paulproteus | Yay. | 20:40 |
| paulproteus | I say Yes to roundup, but I hope that we can get Bovinity to spend half a day making it more colorful. | 20:41 |
| paulproteus | (Can we steal the Launchpad CSS or something?) | 20:41 |
| paulproteus | (Since it'll be Free Software in nine months or so....) | 20:41 |
| Bovinity | roundup is...? | 20:42 |
| paulproteus | A bug/"issue" tracker. | 20:42 |
| nathany | paulproteus: http://cc-cto.local:8917/demo/ | 20:42 |
| mlinksva | http://cc-cto.local:8917/demo/issue?@template=search needs more fields. have you considered bugzilla? | 20:44 |
| mlinksva | joking! | 20:44 |
| mlinksva | doubly joking | 20:44 |
| paulproteus | Joking about joking? | 20:45 |
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| Bovinity | paulproteus: you didn't make any frontend changes to the campaign widget, right? | 21:12 |
| paulproteus | Except I changed that CSS file as we discussed, that's right. | 21:12 |
| Bovinity | nod | 21:12 |
| paulproteus | Relatedly, it's safe to edit "widget" in the svn trunk and run "make" and you get widget.js, which you can demo to yourself with example.html. | 21:13 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Do you have any idea if this Pootle users.prefs is some standard(ish?) format? | 21:13 |
| paulproteus | It doesn't look very familiar to me. | 21:15 |
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| mlinksva | this comment is quite funny | 23:28 |
| mlinksva | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/its_time_for_a_new_terms_of_service_regime.php#comment-65756 | 23:28 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 23:32 |
| paulproteus | Ingenious. | 23:32 |
| mlinksva | i wonder if it is intentionally so | 23:32 |
| paulproteus | I doubt it. | 23:34 |
| paulproteus | It looks like comment spam. | 23:34 |
| mlinksva | argh | 23:35 |
| mlinksva | i didn't notice the link | 23:35 |
| mlinksva | i dare not click on it | 23:35 |
| mlinksva | that's really too bad | 23:35 |
| paulproteus | mlinksva, re: CSV dumps: I had temporarily disabled the CSV dump generation to minimize server load, but I just re-enabled it. | 23:36 |
| mlinksva | thx | 23:36 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: APC seems to speed up the loading of http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ by about 100%! | 23:54 |
| paulproteus | Yay! | 23:55 |
| paulproteus | "However, it also killed my dog." | 23:55 |
| nkinkade | It's just less than 6 seconds without APC, and somewhere around 2.7 or 2.8 with APC. | 23:55 |
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| nkinkade | Yeah, bummer that it seems to affect login with Mediawiki sometimes. | 23:55 |
| nkinkade | I'm going to leave it on, though. | 23:55 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Nice email you sent to all your peeps. | 23:56 |
| nkinkade | Or maybe not, because it seems to have broken logins at the wiki immediately. | 23:56 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I think I may have fixed the reply email issues. | 23:57 |
| * paulproteus replies | 23:57 | |
| paulproteus | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/26/funny-pictures-invisible-text-message-break-up/ | 23:58 |
| paulproteus | It's a shame /category/invisible/ has nothing recent. | 23:58 |
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