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| ananthp | hi | 03:02 |
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| ananthp | I'm having a little trouble with my cchost installation. | 03:02 |
| ananthp | I'm wondering you guys could help me. | 03:02 |
| Doctor_Nick | you might try back later, it's pretty late in EST time | 03:16 |
| ananthp | oh!. | 03:17 |
| ananthp | anyways, thanks man. | 03:17 |
| ananthp | will try later. | 03:17 |
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| presroi | greetings | 05:20 |
| hdworak | hi presroi | 05:21 |
| hdworak | what's up? | 05:21 |
| presroi | I have a question regarding CC licenses and a topic of "unknown ways of usage" | 05:26 |
| presroi | http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/de/legalcode section 3, last paragraph | 05:26 |
| presroi | under German copyright law (at least until the last copyright reform), it was impossible to grants rights of usage for applications that were not yet invented | 05:28 |
| presroi | I was wondering if submitting cc-licensed works via a (bi-directional) brain-computer interface would be allowed | 05:29 |
| hdworak | ok, the thing is we (here at this chan) are not lawyers but developers, as far as I can tell | 05:30 |
| hdworak | and I'm not a cc representative either | 05:30 |
| hdworak | I'm afraid I cannot help you in this matter | 05:30 |
| presroi | I was not seeking a binding legal advise | 05:30 |
| hdworak | I understand, but still it is a legal question | 05:31 |
| presroi | sure | 05:31 |
| hdworak | I graduated as a computer engineer | 05:31 |
| hdworak | :) | 05:31 |
| presroi | that makes you more likely understand the issue than a standard lawyer | 05:31 |
| hdworak | the only times I have anything to do about brain-computer interaction is when I read Slashdot articles about it; and it's usually about a device for gamers | 05:32 |
| presroi | the systems on the market are usually input devices | 05:32 |
| hdworak | still, it sounds sci-fi to me | 05:33 |
| presroi | used to move a mouse cursor or an artificial limb | 05:33 |
| presroi | it used to be sci-fi, there are real life applications now | 05:33 |
| hdworak | my latest equipment is an inexpensive laptop | 05:33 |
| hdworak | well, then I'm curious to ask | 05:34 |
| hdworak | what if one is not focused and starts to think about something else? | 05:34 |
| presroi | then for example the mouse cursor starts to dangle around | 05:34 |
| hdworak | like another person suddenly coming to his/her room and shouting "turn the computer off; you do too much gaming" | 05:35 |
| hdworak | ok, so if you connect a surgeon to that | 05:35 |
| hdworak | and he suddenly reminds himself that yesterday was his wife's birthday | 05:35 |
| hdworak | what then? | 05:35 |
| presroi | its a question of keeping a focussed mind | 05:36 |
| hdworak | the mind-controlled scalpel starts cutting the liver? | 05:36 |
| presroi | systems like http://tardis-db.co.uk/2008/02/data-streaming-mind-controlled-human.html do not have legal implications to the Creative Commons | 05:37 |
| presroi | it is the other way around that interests me | 05:37 |
| hdworak | ok, the illustration is a pure sci-fi | 05:37 |
| hdworak | where in Germany are you from? | 05:38 |
| presroi | Frankfurt | 05:39 |
| hdworak | ok | 05:39 |
| hdworak | :) | 05:39 |
| presroi | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5989208652106799816&q=Prothese+&ei=NXxCSNGCJ43-2gLBooCPCQ does not appear to be SciFi to me | 05:40 |
| hdworak | The above rights may be exercised in all media and formats whether now known or hereafter devised. | 05:40 |
| presroi | that's the difference between the US-CC-BY-SA and the DE-CC-BY-SA | 05:41 |
| presroi | localisations have different specific requirements | 05:41 |
| hdworak | I do not speak German :) | 05:43 |
| hdworak | I've pasted that from cc by-sa 3.0 us | 05:44 |
| presroi | "Die genannten Nutzungsrechte können für alle bekannten Nutzungsarten ausgeübt werden." is the relevant part | 05:44 |
| presroi | "The above rights may be exercised in all known means of usage." | 05:44 |
| hdworak | ok, so if it's already developed, then what's the problem? | 05:47 |
| presroi | there are no mainstream-bidirectional devices in the market there, right now | 05:53 |
| presroi | and even if there were, german courts usually are very conservative to classify something as "existing" | 05:53 |
| hdworak | I couldn't watch the movie you've linked to, but I'm watching http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hi40 | 05:53 |
| presroi | The internet as a distribution medium came into existence into the german law in 1995. | 05:53 |
| presroi | so every rights of usage granted before 1995 for "all known applications" did not include distribution via the internet | 05:54 |
| hdworak | ok, then you need to consult a German lawyer | 05:55 |
| hdworak | frankly, this has little to do with Computer Science or Engineering | 05:57 |
| hdworak | in Poland we call this Automation and Robotics | 06:00 |
| hdworak | but as I see it, it is called Bionics | 06:01 |
| hdworak | Often, the study of bionics emphasizes implementing a function found in nature rather than just imitating biological structures. For example, in computer science, cybernetics tries to model the feedback and control mechanisms that are inherent in intelligent behavior, while artificial intelligence tries to model the intelligent function regardless of the particular way it can be achieved. | 06:02 |
| hdworak | such applications are nowhere near a bionic arm | 06:03 |
| hdworak | we do not have any intelligent behavior in computers, it's just an execution of deterministic algorithms | 06:04 |
| hdworak | and if feedback and control cybernetics is modelled after biology, then we can apply the same to regular programming and say that return values in methods are modelled after real-life | 06:05 |
| hdworak | though it's just math | 06:06 |
| hdworak | but, ergo, math is modelled after real-life, too, isn't it? | 06:09 |
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| ankitg | Hi hdworak =) | 07:17 |
| hdworak | hi, Ankit | 07:17 |
| hdworak | what's up? :) | 07:17 |
| ankitg | nothing much ... just wrapping up some school work ... | 07:19 |
| ankitg | how goes with you? | 07:19 |
| hdworak | need to go shopping in a bit, 'cuz they close in 1,5 hour | 07:19 |
| hdworak | (Sunday) | 07:19 |
| hdworak | :) | 07:20 |
| hdworak | have you already passed your exams this semester? | 07:20 |
| ankitg | that reminds me, I should go eat something before shops start closing too ... | 07:20 |
| hdworak | or are they yet to take place | 07:20 |
| hdworak | 'cause here it's in June | 07:21 |
| ankitg | yep, exams are over but I have one course still left ... it was an independent study and we extended it ... | 07:21 |
| hdworak | cool :) | 07:21 |
| ankitg | so I am still working on some US and Chinese patent data for that ... | 07:21 |
| hdworak | happy summer of code ;) | 07:22 |
| ankitg | yay! | 07:22 |
| ankitg | I finally put up a blog post ... not as formal as ours though ... | 07:22 |
| hdworak | mine? | 07:23 |
| ankitg | I am not quite at the PhD. level yet and prefer Blog posts t be personal ... | 07:23 |
| hdworak | lol, I'm not at PhD level either :) | 07:23 |
| ankitg | yes, yours was like let me pontificate ... just state the facts | 07:23 |
| hdworak | it's just 2nd semester | 07:23 |
| hdworak | I've never used blogging software before | 07:24 |
| ankitg | I am an under-grad | 07:24 |
| hdworak | if you're under-grad and do summer of code now, you're light years ahead of me | 07:24 |
| hdworak | I want my youth back | 07:24 |
| hdworak | but I'm 23 already | 07:24 |
| ankitg | lol ... it seemed like you were writing a research paper .. i see the education is having quite an impact on you ;) | 07:24 |
| hdworak | enjoy your youth while it lasts, ankitg | 07:24 |
| ankitg | hey, you're that old ... c'mon ... | 07:25 |
| hdworak | yeah, education has a serious impact, that's true | 07:25 |
| ankitg | I know GSoCs as old as 36 ... | 07:25 |
| ankitg | *GSoCers | 07:25 |
| hdworak | at the end of the day I'm still a PhD student | 07:25 |
| ankitg | at the end of the day I am still a happy camper :) | 07:26 |
| hdworak | sounds like Quake FFA | 07:26 |
| ankitg | I can't really say under-grad student ... it's not like I ever studied anything :P | 07:26 |
| hdworak | oh, come on | 07:27 |
| hdworak | what do you study? CS? | 07:27 |
| ankitg | I am in a management university ... doing a course called Information Systems Management which sounds deceptively CS-like but has only one course where they teach you basic Java and the rest is well, management and stuff! | 07:28 |
| hdworak | :) | 07:28 |
| hdworak | I do Java lab classes with students | 07:28 |
| hdworak | 100 ppl in total | 07:28 |
| ankitg | The class-size here is deliberately capped at 40 students ... | 07:30 |
| hdworak | we'll I've got 5 groups of around 20 ppl | 07:30 |
| hdworak | 40 sounds like a lot | 07:30 |
| hdworak | I didn't have that many in my class in primary school | 07:30 |
| hdworak | we'll = well, | 07:31 |
| ankitg | well that's for the classes and project groups are 3 to 5 people ... | 07:32 |
| hdworak | :) | 07:32 |
| hdworak | so what are your plans after the graduation? | 07:32 |
| hdworak | MBA maybe? | 07:33 |
| hdworak | I've just read your blog entry | 07:36 |
| hdworak | :) | 07:36 |
| ankitg | oh noes | 07:36 |
| hdworak | I like your style, it's pretty direct | 07:36 |
| hdworak | "I know, you’re thinking it’s summer of CODE" | 07:37 |
| ankitg | lol | 07:37 |
| ankitg | I wish I could write like you ... it help when you need to write academic papers ... | 07:37 |
| hdworak | are you into academic work? | 07:37 |
| ankitg | this is all I know how to write and is not appreciated much by the reviewers :P | 07:37 |
| ankitg | erm, I happen to be involved in 4 different research projects :) | 07:38 |
| hdworak | excellent | 07:39 |
| ankitg | yes, more work for me :P | 07:39 |
| ankitg | lol | 07:39 |
| hdworak | nah, to put that in the perspective | 07:39 |
| hdworak | you have a much better grasp of studying than I had | 07:40 |
| hdworak | and I'm selflishy really happy that there are ppl much better than me | 07:40 |
| hdworak | 'cause I'll benefit from your work at least indirectly | 07:40 |
| hdworak | :) | 07:41 |
| ankitg | I thot I told you, I am not really studying ... I am more like, getting through school and trying to have fun through research so they don't kick me out :P | 07:41 |
| hdworak | but this is exactly how it should look like | 07:41 |
| hdworak | it's not a high school | 07:42 |
| ankitg | the world needs more people like you! :P | 07:42 |
| hdworak | "I am Ankit, you can acquaint yourself with me on the About [the Author] page." | 07:43 |
| hdworak | the link is 404 | 07:43 |
| hdworak | yes, that's what I'm saying, Ankit | 07:43 |
| hdworak | just keep up the good work, 'cause I'm positivite you're on the right track | 07:44 |
| ankitg | huh ... I'll fix that, thanks for the pointer ... Wordpress updated the web UI and it messed up all the links | 07:44 |
| ankitg | Hey you planning to go for the iSummit? | 07:44 |
| ankitg | hdworak: ^ ^ ? | 07:46 |
| hdworak | ok, I've read your CV, which clearly outclasses mine | 07:46 |
| hdworak | you're a much more powerful person and an easy-going, too | 07:47 |
| * ankitg goes stabs himself for having put the CV up :P | 07:47 | |
| hdworak | no, luckily I'm not planning to go abroad this year | 07:48 |
| ankitg | awww ... Asheesh is not coming and you neither ... now I am thinking what's the point of me going there ... ? O_o | 07:49 |
| hdworak | where is it going to take place? | 07:49 |
| ankitg | Japan | 07:50 |
| hdworak | as they're all sitting in the Sillicon Valley, I'd bet on Malibu | 07:50 |
| hdworak | ah, ok | 07:50 |
| hdworak | Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift - a very cool movie | 07:50 |
| ankitg | lol, it was in Dubrovnik last time ... | 07:50 |
| hdworak | Croatia? | 07:53 |
| ankitg | yep | 07:53 |
| hdworak | I'm very lame in geography | 07:53 |
| ankitg | join the club | 07:53 |
| hdworak | (not that I'm good in anything else) | 07:53 |
| ankitg | Google maps and earth exist for a reason ... | 07:54 |
| hdworak | of course :) | 07:55 |
| hdworak | and they're done by ppl like you | 07:55 |
| * ankitg thinks hdworak has got the wrong impression about him ... | 07:56 | |
| ankitg | are you sure you went to the right URL ... and saw the right CV? | 07:56 |
| ankitg | I mean c'mon ... | 07:56 |
| hdworak | modesty is a virtue, Ankit | 07:56 |
| ankitg | the really cool person in GSoC is Dimitri ... | 07:57 |
| ankitg | he's a mentor for Drupal ... and he's well, Twelve years old ... | 07:57 |
| ankitg | now that's something I can image anyone going ga ga over ... I am just another GSoC participant ... | 07:58 |
| ankitg | oh, that was *not* a typo ... TWELVE and MENTOR ... yes | 07:59 |
| hdworak | Dmitri Gaskin - yes, very impressive | 07:59 |
| hdworak | and then you have Terence Tao becoming full professor at 24 | 08:00 |
| ankitg | he have a talk at Google HQ on Jquery ... | 08:00 |
| hdworak | the world is beautiful, so stay beautiful | 08:00 |
| hdworak | as painful as it might be, I need to ask you to excuse me - I'm afraid I do need to go shopping now | 08:02 |
| ankitg | exactly so everyone is unique in their abilities and the manifestations thereof ... unfortunately not all manifestations are equally recognized, but that is also good in a selfish way ... if everyone was treated the same, there would no way for me to be treated better than the other guy ... | 08:03 |
| ankitg | we'll pick it up where we left off later ... happy shopping :) | 08:03 |
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| hdworak | paulproteus: I'm working on extending input methods from "direct input" only to "direct input", "file upload", and a "providing a URL" | 10:36 |
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| paulproteus | hdworak, Hey now. | 11:33 |
| hdworak | :) | 11:33 |
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| hdworak | paulproteus: ok, I've got it done | 12:32 |
| hdworak | direct input+URL submission+uploading a file | 12:33 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Great - I'm a little busy with other stuff, so take a look at your own timetable and figure out what to do next. | 12:33 |
| paulproteus | And push to git! | 12:33 |
| hdworak | I can't :) | 12:33 |
| hdworak | I'm working on a new account on my laptop and the key won't work | 12:33 |
| hdworak | I could log out and log in to an old account | 12:34 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Well, then add the key to the other account! | 12:38 |
| paulproteus | Or create a new key for that account and email me. | 12:38 |
| hdworak | who can authorize keys? | 12:39 |
| paulproteus | I can. | 12:39 |
| paulproteus | Along with many others. | 12:39 |
| hdworak | you have the power | 12:39 |
| paulproteus | Also something we have to get you in the habit of doing is (1) using buildout to declare dependencies, and (2) using nose to write tests. | 12:43 |
| paulproteus | But we can work on those later. | 12:43 |
| hdworak | ok, seems like another two tools to learn | 12:48 |
| hdworak | the only time in my life I wrote a test suite was when I wrote a compiler in PHP in 2005 | 12:48 |
| paulproteus | I'll just handle the buildout stuff. I'll help you with the tests on Monday. | 12:52 |
| hdworak | dependencies = pylons+genshi ? | 12:56 |
| hdworak | or what? | 12:56 |
| paulproteus | Ya | 12:58 |
| hdworak | :) | 12:58 |
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| isforinsects | ccMixer huh? right on | 20:08 |
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