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| jgay | I can't seem to figure out how to use http://creativecommons.org/license/ to generate a license that is just CC SA and not CC BY SA | 07:53 |
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| jgay | I think attribution is dumb in a lot of cases. Does anybody know how to unselect it? | 07:53 |
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| isforinsects | jgay I thought that all CC licenses were -BY | 08:04 |
| * isforinsects URL hacks | 08:04 | |
| jgay | isforinsects: yeah, tvol just informed me of that over in #freeculture | 08:04 |
| jgay | I'll repost my convo here | 08:04 |
| jgay | I mean, i understand that without attribution, enforcing the license is impossible | 08:04 |
| jgay | so in absolute terms it is closer to public domain | 08:04 |
| jgay | However, in practical terms it just isn't. People see CC and they are like, "respect." | 08:04 |
| jgay | So, CC SA would do the trick of people not pulling it out of the public domain, remixing it, and releasing it under some restrictive terms. | 08:04 |
| jgay | because we don't really care about guns and lawyers and stuff most of the time. We care about intent. | 08:04 |
| jgay | Where as public domain isn't usually seen as intentional. It's just like. O, the dude who did this is long gone and probably dead. I'll just do whatever. | 08:04 |
| jgay | (not, guns and lawyers is my way of saying "non-anarchist society that enforces laws with power, intimidation, and force") | 08:05 |
| isforinsects | have you seen: http://creativecommons.org/license/publicdomain-2 ? | 08:06 |
| jgay | isforinsects: is that the same as the public domain dedication? | 08:07 |
| isforinsects | Yeah. | 08:07 |
| isforinsects | It has a pretty CC-PD logo is all | 08:07 |
| jgay | isforinsects: that's different than CC SA | 08:07 |
| jgay | I want a license that says "the intent of this license is that everyone continue to have it be a sharealike license" | 08:07 |
| isforinsects | Of course. Oh, I read the rest of your argument now. | 08:07 |
| jgay | it's about expressing intent | 08:08 |
| isforinsects | Well afaik, don't you get to define how the -by is defined? | 08:08 |
| jgay | not about the law -- the law is kind of stupid for the most part. | 08:08 |
| isforinsects | Isn't that part of the license? | 08:08 |
| jgay | yeah, I think I will have it be anonymous | 08:08 |
| jgay | but not Anonymous | 08:08 |
| jgay | hehe | 08:08 |
| isforinsects | As in, you could waive attribution | 08:08 |
| isforinsects | aye, heh | 08:08 |
| tvol | jgay does gpl require attribution? | 08:09 |
| jgay | tvol: I'm not sure. I like CC better than GPL | 08:09 |
| isforinsects | tvol, the gpl doc license? | 08:09 |
| isforinsects | GFDL? | 08:10 |
| tvol | yah not sure, isforinsects...i only really know gpl in the realm of software | 08:10 |
| tvol | just wondering | 08:10 |
| jgay | I'll attribute the work to publius | 08:10 |
| jgay | so I can be all patriotic | 08:10 |
| tvol | :) | 08:10 |
| jgay | it's the in the thing these days :-) | 08:10 |
| jgay | when I was working on MagnaWiki (magna charta wiki) I used Publius as the name and password for everything -- and all my testers names were publius. I think it's great. | 08:11 |
| isforinsects | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GFDL | 08:11 |
| jgay | not so much that I agree with what the federalist papers stated, but that I think that how they wrote and published them was _awesome_ | 08:12 |
| isforinsects | I think that the GFDL requires the last ten contributors? I can't seem to find that anywhere though. | 08:12 |
| isforinsects | just fyi | 08:12 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: I just svn switches staging from http:// to svn+ssh:// ... if you happen to do some work on staging today. | 12:53 |
| nkinkade | I'm going to send an email to webmaster. | 12:53 |
| nkinkade | I couldn't take for one minute longer the readonly staging checkout. | 12:53 |
| Bovinity | ah | 12:53 |
| Bovinity | so which user is governing it? | 12:53 |
| Bovinity | or shouldn't it matter with our a6 logins? | 12:54 |
| nkinkade | The user svn. | 12:56 |
| nkinkade | Check the email I'm about to send for details. | 12:56 |
| nkinkade | Basically this means we can now make changes directly to staging, test them, and then commit the changes right from staging to subversion. | 12:56 |
| Bovinity | hooray! | 12:58 |
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| paulproteus | I think our two tech interns may live in the Sunset right by SFSU. | 12:59 |
| Bovinity | you finding htem places to stay? | 13:01 |
| paulproteus | Well they found a place via Craigslist, and I went and visited it last night for 'em. | 13:01 |
| paulproteus | Two bedrooms in a four-bed flat right by SF State. | 13:01 |
| paulproteus | $660 a month, and they'd pay two and a half months. | 13:02 |
| paulproteus | (each, naturally) | 13:02 |
| Bovinity | neat | 13:02 |
| paulproteus | It's kind of a boring neighborhood, though. | 13:02 |
| Bovinity | out in the aves? | 13:03 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, 19th Ave and Something. | 13:03 |
| Bovinity | 19th isn't bad.. well, depending on which side of the park you're on | 13:03 |
| paulproteus | They're practically here: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1650%20Holloway%20Ave%20San%20Francisco%2C%20CA%2094132&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl | 13:04 |
| paulproteus | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=16%20tapia%2C%20sf&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl actually | 13:05 |
| Bovinity | wow. | 13:05 |
| Bovinity | do buses go down there? O_o | 13:06 |
| paulproteus | Muni has a SF State stop that's like 3 minutes' walk from the green arrow. | 13:06 |
| paulproteus | The M line. | 13:06 |
| Bovinity | ah | 13:06 |
| paulproteus | And also there are buses right at 19th & Holloway and a couple of others. | 13:06 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I'm going to do the same for learn-staging. You okay with that? | 13:06 |
| Bovinity | ok | 13:07 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: How do staging and learn-staging look to you? Did I miss something? | 13:26 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: the rss plugin appears to be funky on learn-staging | 13:27 |
| Bovinity | nto displaying the content | 13:27 |
| nkinkade | How so? | 13:27 |
| nkinkade | Where? | 13:27 |
| Bovinity | cc staging looks fine | 13:27 |
| nkinkade | Oh, sorry, duh. I'm looking at learn. | 13:27 |
| Bovinity | perhaps something you did to the plugin yeterday | 13:28 |
| Bovinity | i haven't caught up with your changes | 13:28 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: That should do it. | 13:38 |
| nkinkade | I changed the interface to the function a bit, but since it's only referenced in 3 places it shouldn't really be a problem. | 13:39 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Can I go ahead and implement the changes, or would you like to glance at it first? | 13:44 |
| Bovinity | glancing... | 13:45 |
| nkinkade | I'd personally still be in favor of passing the feed URL directly to the function. I just like that it's more explicit. Presently it would be necessary to either echo it to a comment or go look in the db. It would also simplify the function slightly. | 13:47 |
| nkinkade | Is there an advantage to having it in the database? | 13:47 |
| Bovinity | for our purposes right now, there isn't really an advantage | 13:50 |
| nkinkade | What would be the advantage down the road? | 13:50 |
| Bovinity | but it's foreseeable that it would be a useful enough feature to be its own WP plugin.. one could also store entry and character count settings along with the feed url. | 13:51 |
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| Bovinity | really, i don't mind. if you'd rather not hit the DB for the feed url, lets just change it out | 13:53 |
| Bovinity | i just like to control those sorts of things outside of views and templates | 13:53 |
| nkinkade | That's true. It could make it a more easy to use plugin, should it become that. | 13:55 |
| nkinkade | At the moment it's pretty much a CC-specific plugin. It could be generalized without much change, though. | 13:55 |
| nkinkade | Sorry, not a plugin, but a function. | 13:55 |
| nkinkade | I should just go ahead and add the ability to add $charcount, $entries and the new $groupby to the admin interface. | 13:56 |
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| bse | apparently openmoko is going Qt... | 15:13 |
| bse | egads, and switching to Enlightenment E17 | 15:14 |
| rohitj_ | interesting | 15:25 |
| paulproteus | bse, URL? | 15:53 |
| paulproteus | "Going Qtopia Phone Edition", I hope/wonder? | 15:53 |
| bse | paulproteus: http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/ | 15:53 |
| paulproteus | Frickin sweet. | 15:55 |
| paulproteus | http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git;a=summary (-: | 15:55 |
| paulproteus | Well, that answers that. Qtopia is the future. | 15:56 |
| paulproteus | Time to stop porting OpenMoko to my HTC Magician, and get back to Qtopia on it. | 15:56 |
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| bse | nkinkade: are you still editing the cclearn index.php? | 16:39 |
| nkinkade | bse: No. | 16:42 |
| nkinkade | Or maybe I've still got it open ...? | 16:43 |
| nkinkade | Done. | 16:43 |
| bse | nkinkade: would you be opposed to having \n's replaced wiht paragraph tags in the feed processing, where character counts are being used? | 16:57 |
| bse | trying not to go berzerk adding more optional arguments for edge cases... like the cclearn features feed. | 16:58 |
| paulproteus | bse, nkinkade, Could one of you burn me an Ubuntu CD? I have the ISO locally but for some reason my burns always fail. | 16:59 |
| paulproteus | I'd been burning it onto DVD+RWs. | 16:59 |
| paulproteus | http://10.0.2.2/~paulproteus/ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso - and I can hand you media to try. | 17:00 |
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| bse | sure, my burns are often functional | 17:00 |
| paulproteus | Yay. | 17:00 |
| nkinkade | bse: re: substituting \n with paragraph tags ... it's fine with me, but I'm not sure I understand why? | 17:03 |
| bse | nkinkade: with charcount enabled tags are stripped, which is fine for the mini feeds in the sidebar. But it ruins the otherwise quite useful formatting in the big cclearn feature feed. | 17:05 |
| nkinkade | bse: I don't strip_tags() on the main feeds. | 17:05 |
| nkinkade | So you want to allow for truncating longer feeds that have no charcount defined? | 17:06 |
| bse | umm, yes, if i understand your question correctly | 17:07 |
| bse | because we wnat to truncate the feature feed items, since they're all absurdly long | 17:07 |
| nkinkade | That makes sense to me, they seem really really long, but are you sure that Ahrash want's to chop them off? | 17:08 |
| bse | yes | 17:09 |
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| nkinkade | LAN seems really slow. | 17:14 |
| nkinkade | Maybe I need to tweak wshaper? | 17:14 |
| bse | probably because i'm pulling down asheesh's iso | 17:14 |
| bse | 10.0.1.166 strikes again. | 17:14 |
| nkinkade | Sure, I guess I just need to fiddle with wshaper. | 17:15 |
| nkinkade | But somehow paulproteus is always behind it, whether directly or indirectly. ;-) | 17:18 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, No, it was internal. | 17:18 |
| paulproteus | wshaper wouldn't have helped. | 17:18 |
| bse | i'm done with abusing the wifi now | 17:19 |
| nkinkade | That's actually good to know, because I was feeling sad about limiting our Internet bandwidth for some edge cases. | 17:19 |
| paulproteus | FWIW my burn worked fine to a CD-R. | 17:36 |
| paulproteus | Instead of those fruity Sony DVD+RWs. | 17:36 |
| paulproteus | rejon, http://www.bikekitchen.org/ fwiw | 17:54 |
| paulproteus | I don't know if they're as useful as you'd like. | 17:54 |
| rejon | cool | 17:55 |
| rejon | i should have just stole like 10 in japan and shipped them here | 17:56 |
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| nkinkade | bse: When was cc_plugin_activate() supposed to get triggered? | 18:18 |
| bse | nkinkade: that gets triggered when you activate the plugin from the WP plugin chooser | 18:18 |
| bse | one can also define FOO_plugin_deactivate | 18:19 |
| nkinkade | I forget what triggers it. It's not getting run. | 18:19 |
| bse | hmm | 18:19 |
| bse | register_activation_hook( __FILE__, 'cc_plugin_activate' ); | 18:20 |
| nkinkade | Ah, maybe that needs to be included in the admin-file. | 18:21 |
| bse | it's at the end of creativecommons.php | 18:21 |
| bse | the code came from another plugin | 18:22 |
| nkinkade | I think the problem is that __FILE__ refers to the current script, but the function resides elsewhere. I'll check that. | 18:25 |
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| nkinkade | bse: are you using $cc_db_version for anything? | 18:32 |
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| bse | nkinkade: its intended use is to make sure the plugin table is up to date .. but apparently it's not getting used, making it redundant. | 18:34 |
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| nkinkade | It just took me about 30 minutes to figure out that Wordpress doesn't allow globalization of variables inside of the register_activation_hook() callback. | 19:03 |
| nkinkade | Maybe that is expected behavior. | 19:04 |
| bse | unexpected | 19:04 |
| nkinkade | Maybe is has to do with how callback functions operate??? | 19:04 |
| bse | it allows $wpdb though | 19:04 |
| bse | global variables inside the file? yeah, probably the way callbacks are done | 19:04 |
| nkinkade | It allows "global $wpdb;", but not "global $cc_db_rss_feeds;" | 19:06 |
| bse | strange | 19:06 |
| nkinkade | No, I think it has to do with your previous comment. | 19:06 |
| bse | maybe that's a new security feature? | 19:06 |
| nkinkade | That $cc_db_rss_feeds was being set at the top of the file and clearly Wordpress wasn't setting that variable in the context of the callback function. | 19:07 |
| nkinkade | It shouldn't have taken me that long to figure out, but I don't yet know how to debug an activation function, since no data can be echoed. | 19:08 |
| nkinkade | I'm sure there is a way. | 19:08 |
| bse | codex is of little use, of course. http://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/register_activation_hook | 19:10 |
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