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| hdworak | hello | 10:23 |
| hdworak | 3,5h left :) | 10:23 |
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| mecredis_x60s | hey hey | 11:18 |
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| nathany | hey mecredis_x60s | 11:20 |
| * mecredis_x60s is bored in class | 11:21 | |
| mecredis_x60s | hi | 11:21 |
| mecredis_x60s | nathany: I see you're active on the SMW list | 11:22 |
| mecredis_x60s | I built my thesis on it | 11:22 |
| nathany | yeah, somewhat | 11:22 |
| nathany | nice | 11:22 |
| nathany | they just did a new release i want to get up on teamspace | 11:22 |
| mecredis_x60s | yeah | 11:22 |
| nathany | includes icalendar export | 11:22 |
| mecredis_x60s | and SPARQL | 11:22 |
| mecredis_x60s | which was driving me insane before | 11:22 |
| nathany | so we can pull the task tracking stuff into google calendar or something | 11:22 |
| nathany | yeah | 11:22 |
| mecredis_x60s | that's great | 11:22 |
| nathany | now if we can just convince them that they need a decent release engineering process :) | 11:23 |
| mecredis_x60s | yeah, its main hurdle has been extraction | 11:23 |
| mecredis_x60s | yeah, it just seems like when Markus feels lie it | 11:23 |
| mecredis_x60s | if that's what you mean | 11:23 |
| nathany | well that, plus the fact that they're adding changes between release candidates and that they don't tag their releases in subversion | 11:23 |
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| mecredis_x60s | ah | 11:24 |
| nathany | it's even worse with semantic forms where Yaron admitted to changing the 1.0.1 download without revving the version number | 11:24 |
| mecredis_x60s | hahah | 11:24 |
| nathany | you DON'T DO THAT ;) | 11:24 |
| mecredis_x60s | yeah, a lot of extensions are kind of wonky pet projects | 11:24 |
| nathany | right | 11:25 |
| mecredis_x60s | www.causecaller.com/wiki | 11:26 |
| mecredis_x60s | see if you can make heads or tails about whats going on | 11:26 |
| mecredis_x60s | t-minus 4-5 days till I launch | 11:26 |
| mecredis_x60s | it needs more documentation | 11:26 |
| Bovinity | you need to fix your reflections :/ | 11:30 |
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| mecredis_x60s | haha | 11:31 |
| mecredis_x60s | too many? | 11:31 |
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| Bovinity | the alignment is waaay off | 11:31 |
| mecredis_x60s | oh, yeah | 11:31 |
| Coskund | hii | 11:31 |
| mecredis_x60s | thanks | 11:31 |
| mecredis_x60s | I need to re-draft all the jpegs | 11:31 |
| mecredis_x60s | they're a bit ugly at points | 11:31 |
| mecredis_x60s | err, low quality | 11:31 |
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| nathany | mecredis_x60s: so your system calls both the politician and the citizen so they can read the script? | 11:35 |
| nathany | very cool | 11:35 |
| nathany | hi Coskund | 11:35 |
| mecredis_x60s | yep | 11:35 |
| mecredis_x60s | first the citizen | 11:35 |
| mecredis_x60s | and then they press 1 to be connected to pol[1] etc. | 11:35 |
| mecredis_x60s | it basically takes the hassle out of finding numbers / organizing call lists | 11:35 |
| mecredis_x60s | thanks for checking it out | 11:36 |
| nathany | nice | 11:36 |
| nathany | asterisk? | 11:36 |
| mecredis_x60s | yeah | 11:36 |
| mecredis_x60s | on EC2 | 11:36 |
| nathany | nice | 11:36 |
| nathany | what're you using for outbound connection to the PSTN? | 11:36 |
| mecredis_x60s | http://causecaller.com/wiki/Asterisk_on_EC2 | 11:37 |
| mecredis_x60s | junction network | 11:37 |
| mecredis_x60s | ss | 11:37 |
| mecredis_x60s | 2.9 cents a minute | 11:37 |
| mecredis_x60s | its pricey but I'm going to get a discount soon | 11:37 |
| nathany | cool | 11:37 |
| mecredis_x60s | but no monthly rates | 11:37 |
| mecredis_x60s | you pay what you use | 11:37 |
| nathany | how's EC2 been? | 11:38 |
| mecredis_x60s | fine | 11:38 |
| mecredis_x60s | not 100% for asterisk | 11:38 |
| mecredis_x60s | but for www its ideal | 11:38 |
| mecredis_x60s | I have to start experimenting with server instances | 11:38 |
| mecredis_x60s | doing backups, etc. | 11:38 |
| nathany | so you obviously leave your instance up 24/7, right? | 11:38 |
| mecredis_x60s | that's when it really glows | 11:38 |
| mecredis_x60s | yeah | 11:38 |
| nathany | right | 11:38 |
| mecredis_x60s | : / | 11:38 |
| nathany | i forget, is it priced based on load or just uptime? | 11:38 |
| mecredis_x60s | notice the google ads | 11:38 |
| mecredis_x60s | uptime | 11:38 |
| mecredis_x60s | and then load if you go crazy | 11:38 |
| mecredis_x60s | but I don't htink that's costing me anything yet | 11:38 |
| nathany | ah, got it | 11:39 |
| nathany | :) | 11:39 |
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| mecredis_x60s | OK, gotta split | 11:39 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: are you handling the stuff for Jon and stats? | 12:12 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: is that IE-on-linux thing you mentioned the other day packaged for debian/ubuntu, or did it require building from source? | 12:50 |
| paulproteus | nathany, It's "just" ies4linux. | 12:53 |
| paulproteus | A bunch of shell and whatever scripts. | 12:53 |
| nathany | paulproteus: "just" meaning a package? | 12:54 |
| paulproteus | No. | 12:54 |
| nathany | got it | 12:54 |
| nathany | thanks | 12:54 |
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| hdworak | ie7 is buggy | 13:38 |
| hdworak | in that | 13:38 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Can we talk for a sec about cc.license? | 13:44 |
| paulproteus | Not immediately urgent, but it's not necessary to delay it either. | 13:44 |
| hdworak | lol, they've shift the announcement for the second time | 13:44 |
| hdworak | now that's pretty lame from Google Inc. | 13:44 |
| nathany | paulproteus: 30 seconds | 13:44 |
| hdworak | :( :( | 13:45 |
| nathany | hdworak: they're coordinating over a thousand applications, dozens of organizations and giving away a pile of money | 13:45 |
| nathany | i don't think lame is the word i'd use ;) | 13:45 |
| hdworak | I'm not the one who declared midnight UTC deadline long ago | 13:45 |
| hdworak | sorry for bitching | 13:46 |
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| nathany | hdworak: understandable... | 13:48 |
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| hdworak | anyway, thanks for reviewing my application | 13:48 |
| hdworak | I appreciate the time you put into the FOSS development | 13:48 |
| hdworak | later, guys! | 13:50 |
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| hdworak | re :) | 14:49 |
| Mihai`` | hello and congratulations :) | 14:51 |
| hdworak | thanks. thanks a lot of an opportunity to participate in GSOC! | 14:53 |
| hdworak | congrats to you too, Mihai | 14:53 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, (-: ! | 14:53 |
| hdworak | :D | 14:53 |
| Mihai`` | :) thanks | 14:53 |
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| hdworak | nathany: still didn't get your auth on XMPP/Jabber - are you sure you gave me the right jid? | 14:56 |
| hdworak | I have paulproteus on the list already | 14:56 |
| nathany | hdworak: i haven't seen an auth request; i use google apps for my personal domain, maybe that's part of the problem? | 14:58 |
| hdworak | could we priv for a second? | 14:58 |
| nathany | sure | 14:58 |
| hdworak | are we gonna postpone the infrastructure-related stuff (git, django instance, techblog access) until the day listed on the GSOC Web site as the formal start date? | 15:12 |
| nathany | hdworak: yes, although you can send your public key for git at any time | 15:14 |
| hdworak | http://hugo.dworak.info/miscellanea/gpg-public-key.asc | 15:15 |
| hdworak | will that do or am I missing something? | 15:15 |
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| nathany | hdworak: that's a PGP key; we use SSH public key auth for svn/git authorization | 15:20 |
| nathany | so on linux it's often ~/.ssh/id-dsa.pub (or id-rsa.pub) | 15:20 |
| hdworak | I don't have such file, but I'm going to figure this one out | 15:22 |
| * hdworak is generating the key | 15:23 | |
| hdworak | http://hugo.dworak.info/miscellanea/id_dsa.pub | 15:26 |
| hdworak | will that do? | 15:26 |
| paulproteus | nathany, please commit and push your cc.license comment changes. | 15:28 |
| nathany | hdworak: yes, that'll work; not that if you're using a different machine you'll need to send us keys for each (or use the same keys on all) | 15:29 |
| nathany | nkinkade: can you add hdworak to git/svn on code.cc.org? pub key linked above | 15:29 |
| hdworak | no, I'm going to do all my work from a laptop | 15:30 |
| nathany | paulproteus: ACK | 15:30 |
| nathany | (done) | 15:30 |
| hdworak | I used to do this public key generation for a project with a CVS access long time ago at SF.net | 15:30 |
| paulproteus | nathany, yay | 15:31 |
| paulproteus | nathany, are you sure? re: commit + push | 15:32 |
| nathany | oh, it failed -- probably need to pull | 15:32 |
| paulproteus | I don't see your changes in my gitk. | 15:32 |
| * paulproteus nods | 15:33 | |
| paulproteus | (or rebase, but whatev) | 15:33 |
| nathany | can we turn off the damn debug output so i don't automatically ignore everything git says? | 15:33 |
| paulproteus | Yes. | 15:33 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 15:33 |
| nathany | now done | 15:33 |
| paulproteus | (turned off debug output) | 15:33 |
| nathany | thanks | 15:38 |
| paulproteus | nathany, by-sa 1.0 has this: | 15:40 |
| paulproteus | <dcq:isReplacedBy rdf:resource="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/"/> | 15:40 |
| paulproteus | The "superceded" attribute is currently intended to be a boolean. | 15:41 |
| paulproteus | Wouldn't it make more sense to be "None" or an ILicense? | 15:41 |
| nathany | paulproteus: sure | 15:41 |
| * paulproteus nods | 15:41 | |
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| hdworak | I'm off! bye! | 15:45 |
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| davidmccabe | nkinkade: Hi. | 16:08 |
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| nkinkade | davidmccabe: hi | 16:19 |
| davidmccabe | nkinkade: Did I read the site right? | 16:31 |
| nkinkade | davidmccabe: I believe you did. | 16:31 |
| nkinkade | To be sure, you are referring to the Google Summer of Code site? | 16:32 |
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| davidmccabe | yes | 16:33 |
| davidmccabe | Unfortunately the student dashboard is not fully working right now, but I looked at the public part of the site. | 16:33 |
| nkinkade | davidmccabe: So you're up at Portland State? | 16:37 |
| davidmccabe | Yup | 16:37 |
| nkinkade | I lived in Portland for a number of years, and I have nothing but good things to say about the city. | 16:38 |
| nkinkade | [except the rain] | 16:38 |
| davidmccabe | Oh, I could think of some bad things if I tried. Where are you based now? | 16:38 |
| nkinkade | So my first statement is not totally accurnate. | 16:38 |
| nkinkade | nor was that last word. | 16:38 |
| nkinkade | I'm now in San Francisco. | 16:39 |
| davidmccabe | Nice town I hear. I've been in Palo Alto briefly but haven't seen the city itself. | 16:40 |
| nkinkade | It's a neat city, for sure. What I liked about Portland was that it was small enough to feel comfortable and manageable, yet large enough to have most everything I want or need of a city. | 16:41 |
| davidmccabe | Pretty much. | 16:41 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Where do the language strings come from at the top of the Deeds, again? | 16:42 |
| nathany | nkinkade: where do the translations come from or where is the list of strings to include defined? | 16:42 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Either/or | 16:43 |
| nathany | well the actual translations come from the translations done in Pootle (cc_org) | 16:43 |
| nkinkade | Hmm. I didn't see them in the PO files. | 16:43 |
| nathany | lang.xx,e tc | 16:43 |
| nathany | why do you ask? | 16:43 |
| nkinkade | Oh. I was grepping for "Spanish", which all of them still have in a number of places. | 16:45 |
| nkinkade | Someone wrote in to say that all of the Spanish strings appear as "Castellano" except for Colombia. | 16:45 |
| nathany | so the ones @ the top are all pulled in their traget language | 16:45 |
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| Chronon | Is it permissible to use a CC-BY licensed work if the author has not specified _how_ they want to be attributed? | 16:57 |
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| nkinkade | Chronon: The general way to attribute will be to 1) Cite the author's name 2) Give a link to the original work 3) Give a link to the CC license. | 16:59 |
| nkinkade | If the author hasn't specified anything particular about the method of attribution, then that should be adequate. | 16:59 |
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| Chronon | Okay. We were having a discussion about this and someone raised the point that the license is clear that it must be in the way that they specify. If they don't specify then they have implicitly prevented anyone else from fulfilling the terms of the license. | 17:01 |
| Chronon | I will be happy to report otherwise. | 17:01 |
| Chronon | It does seem clearer if the license would specify a default method of attribution, though. | 17:04 |
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| Chronon | Thank you, nkinkade. | 17:26 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, I'm interested in you digging up that improved API so I can start fusing it and cc.license. | 17:36 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: as am i | 17:39 |
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| paulproteus | http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-April/005115.html | 17:52 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: any idea when we'll be switching over zupport to support.(cc)? | 17:56 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I think nathany had in mind by the end of May. | 17:58 |
| Bovinity | paulproteus: aah. Who's next? | 17:58 |
| Bovinity | ;) | 17:58 |
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