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| Lats | hi | 04:41 |
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| Lats | paulproteus are u here ? | 04:43 |
| Lats | does anyone know how works liblicense in command line ? | 04:48 |
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| araujo | hello | 09:19 |
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| CIA-5 | nyergler * r9415 /i18n/trunk/po/el/cc_org.po: Updating Greek translation. | 10:04 |
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| CIA-5 | nyergler * r9416 /i18n/trunk/i18n/ (52 files in 52 dirs): Re-synced translations. | 10:25 |
| paulproteus | Lats, Morning. | 10:26 |
| paulproteus | Lats, Have you tried the liblicense CLI? | 10:26 |
| paulproteus | It should be pretty simple. | 10:26 |
| Lats | hi paulproteus :) | 10:26 |
| Lats | I'm trying it, i've installed it successfully | 10:27 |
| paulproteus | Great. (-: | 10:28 |
| paulproteus | What version, 0.5.1? | 10:28 |
| Lats | i don't know what version, where can i see it ? | 10:28 |
| paulproteus | It's in the filename of what you downloaded. | 10:29 |
| Lats | 0.5.1 | 10:30 |
| paulproteus | Great. | 10:30 |
| Lats | now i'm trying to associate a license with a file in command line :D | 10:31 |
| paulproteus | Good - does it work? | 10:31 |
| Lats | i see the help | 10:31 |
| Lats | i suppose it's : license -l http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/ file.mp3 | 10:32 |
| Lats | no ? | 10:33 |
| paulproteus | Yes, I think that's right. | 10:33 |
| Lats | No license found for file.mp3 | 10:33 |
| Lats | zsh: abort (core dumped) license -l http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/ file.mp3 | 10:33 |
| paulproteus | Ouch. | 10:33 |
| paulproteus | Do you have taglib installed? | 10:33 |
| Lats | :/ | 10:33 |
| paulproteus | You need taglib to be able to store licenses in MP3 files. | 10:33 |
| paulproteus | What system are you on? | 10:33 |
| Lats | FreeBSD | 10:34 |
| paulproteus | Okay, can you install taglib, recompile liblicense, and then try? | 10:34 |
| paulproteus | For me on Debian, that's libtag1-dev. | 10:34 |
| paulproteus | I don't know what package/port it would be on FreeBSD. | 10:35 |
| Lats | okay i'm trying to install taglib | 10:35 |
| nathany | paulproteus: maybe the CLI should issue some sort of warning if it wasn't compiled with a dependency? alternately, somehow disable those modules? | 10:35 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Those modules don't get built if the dependencies aren't there. | 10:35 |
| paulproteus | The segfaulting is bad, but I think I'm addressing (some of) that in 0.6. | 10:35 |
| nathany | ok | 10:35 |
| nathany | just some? | 10:35 |
| nathany | ;) | 10:35 |
| paulproteus | Well, at least some, let's say. (-: | 10:35 |
| Lats | http://www.freebsdports.info/ports/audio/taglib.html | 10:36 |
| Lats | it's seems to be that | 10:36 |
| paulproteus | http://packages.debian.org/libtag1-dev for comparison | 10:39 |
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| paulproteus | Lats, Let me know how things go... | 11:06 |
| Lats | yes, i'm trying to install taglib, i'm not the best on FreeBSD :D | 11:10 |
| Lats | i'm a php developer lol | 11:10 |
| paulproteus | Aww (-: | 11:13 |
| paulproteus | You should try Debian sometime (-; | 11:13 |
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| CIA-5 | nyergler * r9417 /license.rdf/trunk/licenses/ (324 files in 6 dirs): Regenerated Greek deeds with disclaimer fixes for IE, Greek links. | 11:15 |
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| Lats | paulproteus, taglib is already installed | 11:32 |
| Lats | taglib-1.4_2 Library for manipulating ID3 tags and Ogg comments | 11:32 |
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| paulproteus | Lats, Can you paste me the output of ./configure in the liblicense directory? | 11:55 |
| paulproteus | I think it's not finding taglib. | 11:55 |
| paulproteus | By "paste me" I mean "put in a pastebin, like pastebin.com." | 11:55 |
| nkinkade | nathany: the best part of all is the domain: linkshog.com | 11:57 |
| nathany | LOL | 11:57 |
| * paulproteus blinks | 11:57 | |
| paulproteus | Nice. | 11:57 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Do you want to chat, or is that unnecessary due to yesterday? | 11:57 |
| nathany | wrt liblicense? | 11:58 |
| * paulproteus shrugs, weekly meeting | 11:58 | |
| paulproteus | I seem to recall there was something I wanted to talk to you about post yesterday's meeting. | 11:58 |
| paulproteus | I said as much during the meeting. | 11:58 |
| paulproteus | I wonder what I said. | 11:58 |
| nathany | i canceled those this morning | 11:58 |
| paulproteus | Oh, okay. | 11:58 |
| paulproteus | Well, ne'er mind. | 11:58 |
| nathany | we can meet as needed one on one, but i'm thinking the stand-ups will take the place of most of those | 11:58 |
| paulproteus | Great. | 11:58 |
| Lats | paulproteus : http://pastebin.com/d41df00df | 12:03 |
| paulproteus | # | 12:04 |
| paulproteus | # | 12:04 |
| paulproteus | taglib: yes | 12:04 |
| paulproteus | Hmm, okay. | 12:04 |
| paulproteus | Then I wonder why it failed. | 12:04 |
| paulproteus | I notice you don't have the exempi library. | 12:04 |
| paulproteus | It shouldn't fail because of that, but that's the only important difference between your setup and mine I think. | 12:05 |
| paulproteus | Let me test it. | 12:05 |
| paulproteus | Oh, wait. | 12:06 |
| paulproteus | It's not taglib you need. | 12:06 |
| paulproteus | It's id3... | 12:06 |
| Lats | ah ? | 12:06 |
| paulproteus | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libid3-3.8.3-dev | 12:06 |
| paulproteus | this thing in Debian. | 12:06 |
| paulproteus | "id3lib" | 12:06 |
| paulproteus | Install *that* and you should be fine. | 12:07 |
| Lats | http://www.freshports.org/audio/id3lib/ this in FReeBSD I suppose | 12:07 |
| paulproteus | Yup, precisely that. | 12:07 |
| paulproteus | Clearly we should just have a liblicense port so you don't have to worry about this and it handles dependencies for you. (-: | 12:08 |
| nkinkade | nathany: when you say header metadata for the translation stuff, are you referring to some file or to the Pootle interface? | 12:09 |
| nathany | i'm referring to the top matter in the PO file | 12:09 |
| Lats | paulproteus i will tell you when id3 will be ok | 12:15 |
| Lats | i have to quit, bye all ! | 12:15 |
| paulproteus | Bye! | 12:15 |
| Lats | and thanks ! :) | 12:15 |
| paulproteus | Thank me when it works. (-: | 12:16 |
| Lats | ;) | 12:16 |
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| CIA-5 | nkinkade * r9418 /i18n/trunk/ (i18n/ga/ i18n/ga/cc_org.po po/ga/ po/ga/cc_org.po): Added Irish (Gaeilge) PO directory and files | 12:18 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: did you find anything regarding Croatia? I see that something changed on staging. | 12:59 |
| nathany | no, been distracted with something else, sorry | 13:00 |
| nathany | i did a general svn up if that's what you're referring to | 13:00 |
| nkinkade | I just noticed that the no licenses show up at the international page ... | 13:00 |
| nkinkade | I take that to mean that something I did had some effect | 13:00 |
| CIA-5 | paulproteus * r9419 /pywikipedia/ (. branches/ tags/ trunk/ trunk/README trunk/cc_family.py): Initial import of pywikipedia work for CC wiki | 13:03 |
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| CIA-5 | paulproteus * r9420 /pywikipedia/trunk/ (cc_family.py families/ families/cc_family.py): Put cc_family in its place | 13:05 |
| CIA-5 | paulproteus * r9421 /pywikipedia/trunk/families/cc_family.py: Add reference to API | 13:11 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: paulproteus: do either of you have any ideas as to why some Wordpress install returns RSS 0.92 feeds quickly and RSS 2.0 and Atom 0.3 feeds very slowly? Caching of one and not the other? | 13:42 |
| paulproteus | Wow, that sucks. | 13:42 |
| paulproteus | I have no idea. | 13:42 |
| nkinkade | It's pretty bad, as well as interesting. At creativecommons.pl, http://creativecommons.pl/wp-rss.php loads quickly, but http://creativecommons.org/feed/ is a beast. | 13:44 |
| nkinkade | Maybe it's an overloaded server (or database) and WP is caching 0.92 feeds and generating the others from scratch. It's about my guess. | 13:45 |
| Bovinity | strange | 13:45 |
| Bovinity | we could start using feedburner to handle our feeds | 13:45 |
| nkinkade | Sorry, that second link should end in .pl not .org | 13:45 |
| paulproteus | I think we can just live with it. | 13:46 |
| paulproteus | Also, creativecommons.pl was some hilariously old version of WordPress as I recall. | 13:46 |
| Bovinity | oh, well that clarification makes sense then :) | 13:46 |
| nkinkade | Our feeds are fine, as far as I know. It's the Poland feed that is giving problems. | 13:46 |
| Bovinity | they're using 2.1.0 | 13:46 |
| paulproteus | That's less tragically hip than I thought | 13:46 |
| nathany | we can't help it if they're brain dead | 13:46 |
| CIA-5 | paulproteus * r9423 /pywikipedia/trunk/import_from_dir.py: Missing an import ; generated wrong filenames ; added chdir() call | 13:47 |
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| adelie42 | Anybody around? | 15:05 |
| nathany | hi adelie42 | 15:05 |
| adelie42 | Hey nathany, saw you on the mentors list and was hoping to throw a suggestion your way... | 15:05 |
| nathany | yup? | 15:05 |
| adelie42 | Of all the tings that don't support cc licensing, I am surprised that youtube.com offers no such feature. | 15:06 |
| adelie42 | opensourcecinema.org is a great site, but it is presently very cut off from main stream | 15:07 |
| nathany | i think i've heard of it before | 15:07 |
| adelie42 | A youtube like site supported by Lessig to encourage "remix culture" | 15:07 |
| adelie42 | the only limiting factor of youtube is exposure, and verifying that submitters have the rights to license work as cc could be difficult, but no different than of opensourcecinema.org had a larger user base | 15:08 |
| adelie42 | if* | 15:09 |
| nathany | right | 15:09 |
| nathany | not really a problem -- both opensourcecinema and you tube are protected by the DMCA safe harbor | 15:09 |
| adelie42 | That is good. wasn't aware that had been addressed directly. | 15:10 |
| nathany | the safe harbor basically says that so long as you respond to take down notices from the lawful content owner you can't be held liable | 15:10 |
| nathany | not CC specific, but a US copyright provision | 15:10 |
| adelie42 | I think it would be great for cc as well as artists that want to respect the rights of those that DON'T use cc if content could be marked cc to encourage use, for example, NIN:Ghosts is CC, and Trent Resnor has been trying to get amateurs to make music videos to be voted on as "official" NIN:Ghosts music videos, based on popularity. | 15:12 |
| adelie42 | I am familiar with DMCA safe harbor provisions | 15:12 |
| paulproteus | I am, too. | 15:14 |
| adelie42 | Also, with youtube being a forefront of "remix culture" and amateur "literacy" as Lessig likes to put it, Youtube would be a great place to "excite" people about CC. | 15:14 |
| nathany | yes :) | 15:14 |
| nathany | absolutely | 15:14 |
| adelie42 | Think this could be a viable objective of GSoC CC work? And how much better that YouTube is already owned by Google :) | 15:15 |
| paulproteus | Boy, it really would be great if YouTube had a CC licensing option for people who publish their content there. | 15:15 |
| nathany | I'm not sure how this would be a GSoC project | 15:16 |
| nathany | (considering their code base isn't open, for one thing) | 15:16 |
| adelie42 | ironic | 15:16 |
| adelie42 | :( | 15:16 |
| nathany | ironic? | 15:17 |
| paulproteus | Given how supportive they are of open source! | 15:17 |
| adelie42 | :) | 15:17 |
| paulproteus | And they publish lots of other things, after all. | 15:17 |
| nathany | sure, but those "other things" don't typically involve their "products" | 15:17 |
| nathany | (gmail, google calendar, search, etc) | 15:18 |
| adelie42 | It is apparent that google has done well not to mess with an obviously successful model that needed little touch up | 15:18 |
| paulproteus | Spin the wheel again, adelie42! (-: | 15:18 |
| adelie42 | I had the idea after looking over the "project ideas" page and saw extending "Applications using CC", and thoight it would be worth a shot :( | 15:19 |
| paulproteus | It would be neat to have a GreaseMonkey script or Firefox extension that implemented license choosing and marking in a standard way on YouTube and MySpace and so forth. | 15:19 |
| paulproteus | The Firefox extension could just add the JsWidget to YouTube's/MySpace's upload page, and when you select a license, it puts it in the comments field or something for the particular piece of media | 15:19 |
| adelie42 | automatic and standardized comments that would "clearly" identify the work as CC? | 15:20 |
| paulproteus | That might be possible. I think our wiki might have something to say about this. | 15:20 |
| paulproteus | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Youtube | 15:20 |
| paulproteus | Not terribly useful actually. | 15:20 |
| nathany | yeah, talk about a candidate for deletion | 15:21 |
| adelie42 | If it become popular enough, it may prompt discussion for creating an open API that would support this the way MySpace and Facebook have been at fierce competition for "best API". | 15:21 |
| paulproteus | Those APIs are for developers, though, not regular users. | 15:22 |
| paulproteus | So it's a very different sort of competition. | 15:22 |
| adelie42 | Think this is another great example of where closed source fails | 15:22 |
| Bovinity | hrmm.. Wordpress 2.5 "new ui" = "new stylesheet", http://wordpress.org/development/2008/03/25-sneak-peek/ | 15:22 |
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| paulproteus | Wow, that is simpler. | 15:23 |
| adelie42 | well, developers use the API to make an extention downloadable / installable by amateur videographers to mark their work :) | 15:23 |
| paulproteus | Movable Typo | 15:23 |
| paulproteus | adelie42, I don't follow...? | 15:29 |
| adelie42 | sorry, had to take care of something... | 15:30 |
| paulproteus | No worries. | 15:31 |
| adelie42 | if youtube had SOME kind of open API, developers could add some kind of tool downloadable by people that frequently upload work that would mark their profiles with a CC stamp that marks them as a CC artist. | 15:33 |
| nathany | seems a lot more circuitous than having a site just directly support CC licensing (ie, Flickr) | 15:34 |
| adelie42 | point taken | 15:41 |
| adelie42 | Well, thanks for listening to my thoughts :) I really look forward to seeing what kind of progress CC will make through GSoC. | 15:44 |
| paulproteus | Us too! | 15:46 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Want a hand trying http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/NxmlMode ? | 15:48 |
| paulproteus | It's totally awesome. | 15:48 |
| paulproteus | http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/NxhtmlMode does it HTML in PHP also. | 15:49 |
| paulproteus | At least, the best it can; in theory that's not possible. | 15:49 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Bovinity, nathany, know off-hand if MW templates are okay with getting the template parameters in random order? | 15:51 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i believe so, so long as they're named parameters (of course) | 15:51 |
| * paulproteus nods | 15:52 | |
| paulproteus | Sweet. | 15:52 |
| nkinkade | Oh heavens: | 16:00 |
| nkinkade | nkinkade@npk:~/tmp$ emacs | 16:00 |
| nkinkade | The program 'emacs' can be found in the following packages: | 16:00 |
| paulproteus | emacs22 | 16:00 |
| CIA-5 | paulproteus * r9424 /asheesh_oneoffs/oeo_import/oeo_import.py: Protecting filenames from duplicates and using a safe encoding | 16:01 |
| CIA-5 | paulproteus * r9425 /asheesh_oneoffs/oeo_import/oeo_import.py: Now with import os | 16:15 |
| CIA-5 | nkinkade * r9426 /license_xsl/trunk/support.xsl: Removed Croatia (hr) from 2.5 declarations | 16:17 |
| paulproteus | forum.thinkpads.com | 16:17 |
| CIA-5 | nkinkade * r9427 /license_xsl/branches/gradually_increasing_sanity_branch/support.xsl: Removed Croatia (hr) from 2.5 declarations | 16:18 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade: | 16:26 |
| paulproteus | -Queue ID- --Size-- ----Arrival Time---- -Sender/Recipient------- | 16:26 |
| paulproteus | A672C134CC41 1648 Tue Mar 18 14:20:24 asheesh@creativecommons.org | 16:26 |
| paulproteus | (connect to smtp.sbcglobal.net[207.115.20.26]:25: Connection timed out) | 16:26 |
| paulproteus | Screw this. | 16:26 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: try smtp.sbcglobal.yahoo.com | 16:27 |
| paulproteus | I'll just try rose.makesad.us. (-: | 16:27 |
| nkinkade | It's our "official" smtp server ... the other one works usually but will eventually start rejecting connections if it seems to many coming in. | 16:28 |
| nkinkade | Maybe it doesn't even reject them, but simply drops them. | 16:29 |
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| paulproteus | http://www.asheesh.org/note/sysop/mail-tunnel.html | 16:32 |
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| paulproteus | root@sf:~# host localhost.creativecommons.org | 16:41 |
| paulproteus | Host localhost.creativecommons.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) | 16:41 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, The above is an RFC violation. | 16:41 |
| paulproteus | ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc1912.txt 4.1 | 16:41 |
| paulproteus | ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc1537.txt also refers to this as a "common...error" | 16:42 |
| nkinkade | What sort FTP links are you posting here? Why not just something like: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1912 | 16:43 |
| * paulproteus shrugs, just the stuff I find Cthuuglin' around | 16:44 | |
| paulproteus | Now SBC Global will never read my mail. Hooray. | 16:45 |
| * paulproteus sets "domain laroia.net" instead of "domain creativecommons.org" in resolv.conf for now | 16:50 | |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: how exactly is that a violation of RFC 1912? | 16:51 |
| paulproteus | 4.1 Boot file setup | 16:52 |
| paulproteus | "Certain zones should always be present in nameserver configurations" | 16:52 |
| nkinkade | Yes I'm there but it seems to me they are talking about the localhost zone, not about any old zone. | 16:52 |
| paulproteus | Hmm, you might be right...? | 16:53 |
| * paulproteus keeps reading | 16:53 | |
| * paulproteus wonders what e.g. dnsstuff has to say about this | 16:53 | |
| nkinkade | And And sure enough, we do have a localhost zone with this entry. | 16:53 |
| nkinkade | @ IN NS localhost. | 16:53 |
| cchelpbot | nkinkade: Error: "IN" is not a valid command. | 16:53 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: what brought this to your attention in the first place? Are you missing a "127.0.0.1 localhost" in /etc/hosts? | 16:54 |
| paulproteus | I'm not, one sec. | 16:55 |
| nkinkade | I ran a whole bunch of test on the domain before I set it up and that wasn't any error or warning that was given to me. The tests I ran were here: http://demo.dnsdoctor.org/ | 16:56 |
| paulproteus | Note that all domains that contain hosts should have a "localhost" A | 16:57 |
| paulproteus | record in them. | 16:57 |
| paulproteus | ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc1537.txt | 16:57 |
| paulproteus | I'm sticking to that. | 16:57 |
| paulproteus | Also, re: /etc/hosts | 16:57 |
| paulproteus | Postfix is configured to use "localhost" as a smarthost, and it's doing a real DNS lookup rather than /etc/hosts lookup. | 16:57 |
| paulproteus | My guess is the SMTP spec requires it to do that, but maybe it does that for its own random reason. | 16:57 |
| paulproteus | Sure, I could configure it to use a fully-qualified domain name for "localhost", or to use "127.0.0.1" instead. | 16:58 |
| paulproteus | But I stand by my quote of RFC1537. | 16:58 |
| paulproteus | Even if not my quote of 1912. | 16:59 |
| nkinkade | That comment from RFC1537 seemed rather random to me. | 17:03 |
| paulproteus | "Well, too bad, it's there" (-: | 17:03 |
| paulproteus | I can look for more rationales etc. | 17:03 |
| nkinkade | But I think it might be a drastic to declare that we are in violation of some RFC based on a stray comment some RFC. | 17:03 |
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| paulproteus | If you tell me where to edit, I'll edit it... | 17:04 |
| nkinkade | it's on a7 ... /etc/bind/db.creativecommons.org | 17:04 |
| paulproteus | Naturally I mean the RFC, not the zone file (-; | 17:04 |
| nkinkade | But I'm not 100% convinced that it should be in there. | 17:04 |
| nkinkade | Oh. | 17:04 |
| paulproteus | I jest. | 17:04 |
| paulproteus | I'll edit it right now and be sure to bump the serial number. | 17:05 |
| paulproteus | I've seen this referred-to elsewhere. | 17:05 |
| paulproteus | BTW, you might like etckeeper. | 17:06 |
| paulproteus | etckeeper is a collection of tools to let /etc be stored in a git or mercurial repository. It hooks into apt (and other package managers) to automatically ... | 17:06 |
| paulproteus | kitenet.net/~joey/code/etckeeper/ | 17:06 |
| nkinkade | I suspect that RFC1537 is referring to the idea of having a zone that is authoritative for "localhost" so that queries for localhost don't get sent to the the root servers. | 17:07 |
| paulproteus | Oh, I though it was more like, in case you don't have /etc/hosts *or* for some reason you need to do a real DNS lookup on localhost, it should work. | 17:07 |
| paulproteus | BTW, for fun, I like to register for things with email address yourmom@localhost.uu.net | 17:07 |
| paulproteus | Or postmaster@localhost.uu.net | 17:08 |
| paulproteus | That's the real one, now I remember. | 17:08 |
| paulproteus | Since that "validates" as an email address, unlike postmaster@localhost. | 17:08 |
| nkinkade | http://www.oreilly.com/pub/a/sysadmin/2007/04/26/5-basic-mistakes-not-to-make-in-dns.html | 17:08 |
| paulproteus | "Just over 1% of the queries at the root-servers in one of the studies were for localhost." is amazing. | 17:08 |
| paulproteus | So is "DNS Is Really, Really Important" | 17:08 |
| nkinkade | Why would anyone need to do a lookup on localhost.somedomain.ext? | 17:08 |
| nkinkade | I mean, if it doesn't really exist. | 17:09 |
| paulproteus | Because of "domain" in /etc/resolv.conf. | 17:09 |
| paulproteus | (Or its equivalent on Windows.) | 17:09 |
| nkinkade | And in any case, since our servers are authoritative for the CC domain, that's as far as a request like that will get. | 17:09 |
| nkinkade | Right, hence the /etc/hosts entry. | 17:09 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, I don't know what's up with these machines that are getting all the way to the roots. | 17:10 |
| nkinkade | But it seems odd to me that a DNS server authoritative for some domain should, or should be required to, return 127.0.0.1 for any request. | 17:10 |
| paulproteus | I don't agree. | 17:10 |
| paulproteus | /etc/hosts is an optional cache of DNS, the way I see it. | 17:10 |
| paulproteus | Or intentional lies in the face of DNS. | 17:10 |
| nkinkade | Did you see the earlier part about "Up to 7% of the total traffic arriving at some root servers consists of reverse queries for private IP addresses" | 17:11 |
| paulproteus | DNS is the authoritative name source, the way I see it. | 17:11 |
| paulproteus | That's pretty sucky re: reverse queries. | 17:11 |
| paulproteus | But it makes sense, for all those losers who don't create reverse records. | 17:11 |
| nkinkade | but your localhost is not in fact localhost.creativecommons.org. | 17:11 |
| paulproteus | But it is, see. | 17:11 |
| paulproteus | Since /etc/resolv.conf says I'm in the creativecommons.org domain. | 17:11 |
| nkinkade | maybe the problem is in having search creativecommons.org | 17:11 |
| paulproteus | Not "search", "domain". (-: | 17:11 |
| nkinkade | Well, that's just a convenience, but technically it's incorrect. | 17:11 |
| paulproteus | Hey, I'm sf.creativecommons.org, and I'm sticking to that story. | 17:12 |
| nkinkade | So, maybe I need to change the config on the router | 17:12 |
| paulproteus | In what way? | 17:12 |
| nkinkade | to have "search creativecommons.org" and not "domain creativecommons.org" | 17:12 |
| paulproteus | Oh, I set resolv.conf and my IP manually. | 17:12 |
| nkinkade | Maybe that's whats giving postfix a problem. | 17:13 |
| paulproteus | Yes, but IMHO I set it right. (-: | 17:13 |
| paulproteus | (BTW, I made that zonefile change.) | 17:13 |
| nkinkade | You could be right, but Postfix is broken and now you want to change CCs zone file to accomodate this brokennes. | 17:13 |
| nkinkade | :) | 17:13 |
| paulproteus | I'm not convinced Postfix is broken. Maybe the definition of smarthost means checking for an MX record or something. | 17:14 |
| paulproteus | For the record, I'm grasping at straws. | 17:14 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 17:14 |
| paulproteus | But yes, I am changing the CC zone file for my own convenience. Wouldn't be the first time! | 17:15 |
| nkinkade | Well, I can't see any harm in adding the record you put in, but it startles me when I ping localhost.creativecommons.org and I get responses from my own machine. | 17:15 |
| paulproteus | ping localhost.microsoft.com | 17:15 |
| paulproteus | Hmm, that one actually doesn't work. | 17:16 |
| paulproteus | localhost.uu.net, anyway, my old email standby, works fine. | 17:16 |
| Bovinity | localhost.slashdot.org, heh | 17:16 |
| nkinkade | nkinkade@npk:~/tmp$ ping localhost.fsf.org | 17:17 |
| nkinkade | ping: unknown host localhost.fsf.org | 17:17 |
| nkinkade | guess those guys don't know how to follow RFCs either. | 17:17 |
| nkinkade | :) | 17:17 |
| CIA-5 | nkinkade * r9428 /license.rdf/trunk/ (337 files in 8 dirs): Added deeds for Croatia 3.0 licenses | 17:19 |
| paulproteus | Good thing we're not having 'em be our DNS backup. (-; | 17:20 |
| paulproteus | Humorously, this whole thing happened because I didn't read instructions. | 17:21 |
| paulproteus | That is, *my own* instructions! | 17:21 |
| nkinkade | nathany: is the problem with cc.engine on staging related to the zodb? | 17:21 |
| nkinkade | Or are you doing some work over there? | 17:21 |
| nathany | what problem? | 17:21 |
| paulproteus | http://www.asheesh.org/note/sysop/mail-tunnel.html says to use "relayhost = 127.0.0.1:125". | 17:22 |
| nkinkade | I just started the daemon. It wasn't running a minute ago. | 17:22 |
| nathany | i think i just pissed it off because i was running it in the FG and logged out | 17:22 |
| nathany | (the master connection) | 17:22 |
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| CIA-5 | paulproteus * r9429 /pywikipedia/trunk/ (for_category_member.py import_from_dir.py): Initial script to do something for everything in a category | 17:44 |
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| paulproteus | svn update -rREVNUM | 17:47 |
| CIA-5 | bse * r9430 /ccwordpress/trunk/www/wp-content/themes/cc4/ (comments.php style.css): Better looking comments. | 18:20 |
| nkinkade | This message just can in to info@CC.org: "I purchased a used 2006 Malibu LT in February 2007. It has aprox 79,000 KM on it to date. I recently noticed rust spots on by trunk lid. Is this still covered under factory warranty? I don't believe it is normal to be seeing rust at this point in the car's life. Any answer back would be appreciated." | 18:23 |
| nkinkade | Anyone happen to know anything about Chevy warraties? | 18:23 |
| nkinkade | oops. warranties. | 18:23 |
| nkinkade | Or maybe advice on how to remove rust stains from a trunk lid. | 18:23 |
| Bovinity | he should cover them up with cc stickers | 18:24 |
| Bovinity | "CC, also good for rust touchup" | 18:24 |
| CIA-5 | bse * r9431 /ccwordpress/trunk/www/wp-content/themes/cc4/index.php: Hook up comments links from the homepage! | 18:24 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: i think comments are cooked now | 18:28 |
| nkinkade | I just was looking at them. | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | One thing Mike had mentioned as a problem was that there is nothing that lets anyone know that a comment is being held for moderation. It's not a bug, but it seems like bad design. | 18:34 |
| Bovinity | it does tell you | 18:34 |
| Bovinity | "foo Your comment is awaiting moderation. | 18:34 |
| Bovinity | " | 18:34 |
| Bovinity | in one of my test browsers | 18:35 |
| CIA-5 | nkinkade * r9432 /ccwordpress/branches/production/ (7 files in 2 dirs): | 18:36 |
| CIA-5 | Merged revisions 9394 via svnmerge from | 18:36 |
| CIA-5 | https://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/cctools/ccwordpress/trunk | 18:36 |
| CIA-5 | ........ | 18:36 |
| CIA-5 | r9394 | nkinkade | 2008-03-17 10:51:17 -0700 (Mon, 17 Mar 2008) | 1 line | 18:36 |
| CIA-5 | Added Croatia 3.0 licenses | 18:36 |
| CIA-5 | ........ | 18:36 |
| nkinkade | Nice. I had no idea it said that. | 18:36 |
| Bovinity | I'll add a message stating "Your comment will be held for moderation until your email address is approved" | 18:36 |
| Bovinity | which sounds kinda harsh, reading it back... | 18:36 |
| nkinkade | Where does it say that? | 18:36 |
| Bovinity | i'll put it near the submit button | 18:37 |
| Bovinity | it doesn't... yet. | 18:37 |
| nkinkade | But you said it did above, right? | 18:37 |
| Bovinity | oh, yeah.. if you log out and post using a random email address, it'll appear for you | 18:37 |
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| CIA-5 | bse * r9433 /ccwordpress/trunk/www/wp-content/themes/cc4/comments.php: Moderation notice stuff. | 18:45 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: so you say the comment CSS is ready to go? | 18:57 |
| Bovinity | yep | 18:57 |
| nkinkade | Ready enough for the general public? | 18:58 |
| nkinkade | As in within a few minutes from now? | 18:58 |
| CIA-5 | nkinkade * r9434 /license.rdf/branches/production/ (8 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 18:58 |
| CIA-5 | Merged revisions 9398-9408 via svnmerge from | 18:58 |
| CIA-5 | https://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/cctools/license.rdf/trunk | 18:58 |
| CIA-5 | ........ | 18:58 |
| CIA-5 | r9398 | nkinkade | 2008-03-17 12:40:27 -0700 (Mon, 17 Mar 2008) | 1 line | 18:58 |
| CIA-5 | New license RDF for Croatia 3.0 licenses | 18:58 |
| CIA-5 | ........ | 18:58 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: is good to go | 18:59 |
| nathany | paulproteus: what's the eta on collapsing format attributes? | 19:04 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Like ten minutes. | 19:05 |
| nathany | ok, great | 19:05 |
| paulproteus | I wrote the code on the bus. | 19:05 |
| nathany | cool | 19:05 |
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| CIA-5 | paulproteus * r9435 /pywikipedia/trunk/for_category_member.py: beginning to fix particular template usage | 19:13 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: before I dig into it, can you think of any reason that the "Awaiting moderation" tab might be coming up empty? | 19:25 |
| nkinkade | on a7 that is. | 19:25 |
| Bovinity | hrmm | 19:26 |
| nkinkade | When I say empty I mean it says there are over 6000, but none show up in the list. Looks like some error or bug. | 19:26 |
| CIA-5 | paulproteus * r9436 /pywikipedia/trunk/for_category_member.py: Actually change the page | 19:26 |
| Bovinity | certainly looks like an error | 19:26 |
| Bovinity | and it's not Akismet | 19:28 |
| nkinkade | So the "Mass edit mode" is a joke on unwitting users. By "mass" they mean 20 at a time. | 19:28 |
| Bovinity | a cruel joke, when dealing with 6000 comments. | 19:29 |
| nkinkade | Unless there is some setting to increase the amount shown on each page. | 19:29 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Bovinity, you can probably modify the form/hidden field/ajax variable to boost that higher. | 19:29 |
| nkinkade | I think I may just have to jump into the database and have fun with some DELETE FROM action. | 19:29 |
| nkinkade | But that worries me. | 19:29 |
| nkinkade | So I probably won't do it. | 19:29 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: is it ajax? | 19:30 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, I dunno, I don't actually know what you're talking about. | 19:30 |
| paulproteus | I'm too busy fixing my broken mediawiki bot. | 19:30 |
| paulproteus | I'm just saying client-side hackery is lots of fun. | 19:31 |
| paulproteus | Works on yelp.com. | 19:31 |
| Bovinity | it's not ajax | 19:31 |
| paulproteus | Then it's probably some PHP-side variable you can tweak. | 19:32 |
| paulproteus | It is pretty sad that "Mass" means 20 at a time. | 19:32 |
| paulproteus | Okay, my bot doesn't actually empty pgaes. | 19:38 |
| paulproteus | But it is still wrong. | 19:38 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, http://wiki.creativecommons.org/60Sox is "converted" | 19:44 |
| paulproteus | What's this about the Format complaints? | 19:45 |
| nathany | Not sure... looking | 19:45 |
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| paulproteus | Looks like you need multiple Allows Value declarations. | 19:47 |
| paulproteus | Not one comma-separated one. | 19:47 |
| nathany | uh, huh? | 19:47 |
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| nathany | there are multiple allows value declarations in property:format | 19:48 |
| paulproteus | I see, never mind then. | 19:48 |
| nathany | ok, i think we need to head to dinner | 19:48 |
| nathany | we'll figure it out tomorrow | 19:48 |
| paulproteus | Sweet. | 19:48 |
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