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| rejon | anyone there | 00:06 |
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| rejon | need to copyright talk | 00:06 |
| rejon | paulproteus | 00:07 |
| naufragio | rejon: eh? | 00:08 |
| rejon | naufragio: who are you in real life? | 00:09 |
| rejon | ;) | 00:09 |
| naufragio | www.gavinbaker.com | 00:10 |
| rejon | aha..you changed your nick | 00:14 |
| naufragio | yeah needed to be more mysterious | 00:14 |
| naufragio | rejon: btw do you know if cc has a database of its donors etc? | 00:15 |
| naufragio | i'm wondering about software to do things like that | 00:16 |
| rejon | we use civicspace and semantic media wiki | 00:17 |
| naufragio | how easy is it to setup civicspace? | 00:19 |
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| rejon | naufragio: no idea...I don't like it | 00:42 |
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| paulproteus | rejon, pong fwiw | 02:02 |
| rejon | paulproteus: all is well now...nm | 02:03 |
| paulproteus | Cool (-: | 02:03 |
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| CIA-3 | paulproteus * r9335 /liblicense/trunk/ (22 files in 5 dirs): | 02:16 |
| CIA-3 | * Gave read() a predicate parameter | 02:16 |
| CIA-3 | * Gave write() a predicate parameter | 02:16 |
| CIA-3 | * Updated tests and bindings and liblicense.h and docs to match this | 02:16 |
| CIA-3 | * This predicate parameter isn't actually used yet | 02:16 |
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| mecredis | anyone here/ | 11:31 |
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| CIA-3 | paulproteus * r9336 /liblicense/trunk/utils/license.c: Port to new ll_read, write API | 12:03 |
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| tvol | paulproteus: tvol reading up on smw online. meet up later to discuss set up? | 12:35 |
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| CIA-3 | nyergler * r9337 /i18n/trunk/ (i18n/el/cc_org.po po/el/cc_org.po): Merged .po file from CC-GR team. | 13:44 |
| tvol | hey nathany you know irc room for semantic media wiki? | 13:54 |
| nathany | tvol: do i know what its named? | 13:54 |
| tvol | yes | 13:54 |
| nathany | #semantic-mediawiki | 13:54 |
| tvol | thx | 13:54 |
| nathany | of course, i'm the only one in there right nw | 13:54 |
| nathany | now | 13:54 |
| tvol | ha awesome | 13:55 |
| nathany | maybe check the website? I could have it wrong... | 13:55 |
| tvol | nathany you are holding down the internets | 13:55 |
| nathany | (although the topic looks pretty official) | 13:55 |
| tvol | k will do | 13:55 |
| paulproteus | I've been taking a nap. | 13:58 |
| paulproteus | Getting up today didn't really work as planned. | 13:58 |
| paulproteus | nathany, How's Boss Town? | 13:59 |
| nathany | paulproteus: cold | 13:59 |
| paulproteus | Oh, RIGHT! | 13:59 |
| paulproteus | I forgot about that. | 13:59 |
| nathany | although they're showing "Purple Rain" tonite at the theatre which is simultaneously awesome and frightening | 13:59 |
| paulproteus | Wow. | 14:00 |
| nathany | i know | 14:00 |
| paulproteus | Where's Cameron when you need him? | 14:00 |
| nathany | Flash Gordon tomorrow | 14:00 |
| nathany | Stop Making Sense thursday | 14:00 |
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| paulproteus | Stop Making Sense Today! | 14:04 |
| paulproteus | Act Now! | 14:04 |
| * paulproteus cracks himself up. | 14:04 | |
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| tvol | paulproteus you have the plague again? | 14:12 |
| paulproteus | Nah, just sleepy. | 14:16 |
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| tvol | hey paulproteus i've been look at how jane has been setting up stuff for smw | 14:19 |
| tvol | so...for the casestudies. i need to define the properties we want and create a casestudy template | 14:20 |
| paulproteus | Indeed. | 14:20 |
| tvol | correct? | 14:20 |
| paulproteus | It's "that easy". | 14:20 |
| tvol | ha | 14:20 |
| paulproteus | And then you need a Case Study form, too. | 14:20 |
| tvol | yes.... | 14:20 |
| tvol | not quite sure how that works | 14:20 |
| paulproteus | Special:CreateForm | 14:21 |
| tvol | this is just for layout, right? | 14:21 |
| tvol | oh wait ok so there's Special:Create... | 14:22 |
| tvol | for all of those | 14:22 |
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| CIA-3 | nyergler * r9338 /license.rdf/trunk/licenses/ (425 files in 419 dirs): Regenerated Greek (el) deeds. | 14:38 |
| paulproteus | nathany, BTW, I think one of the tests about the license RDF fails. | 14:38 |
| nathany | paulproteus: you'll have to be way more specific | 14:39 |
| paulproteus | nathany, I will be, one day. | 14:39 |
| nathany | if this is liblicense and its a test scott/jason wrote, it's entirely plausible that it broke when i fixed the rdf | 14:39 |
| paulproteus | Right, that's what I'm thinking. | 14:39 |
| CIA-3 | nkinkade * r9339 /ccwordpress/trunk/conf/creativecommons.conf: Fixed endless redirect problem when accessing www.creativecommons.org ... UseCanonicalName On | 14:54 |
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| CIA-3 | paulproteus * r9340 /liblicense/trunk/dynamic_tests/ (Makefile.am data module_selection_test.c): Bring dynamic tests in sync with static tests | 15:27 |
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| CIA-3 | nyergler * r9341 /license.rdf/branches/production/ (426 files in 420 dirs): | 15:39 |
| CIA-3 | Merged revisions 9279-9338 via svnmerge from | 15:39 |
| CIA-3 | https://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/cctools/license.rdf/trunk | 15:39 |
| CIA-3 | ........ | 15:39 |
| CIA-3 | r9338 | nyergler | 2008-03-11 12:36:07 -0700 (Tue, 11 Mar 2008) | 2 lines | 15:39 |
| CIA-3 | Regenerated Greek (el) deeds. | 15:39 |
| CIA-3 | ........ | 15:39 |
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| paulproteus | tvol, You going to be around in 1-2h? | 16:00 |
| tvol | paulproteus yes | 16:00 |
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| CIA-3 | paulproteus * r9342 /liblicense/trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Add predicate support to the core plus the id3 module | 16:06 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: what did you say you did if you wanted to repeat text before the cursor in bash? | 17:17 |
| paulproteus | ^W ^Y ? | 17:17 |
| paulproteus | ^W^W^W^W^W ^Y ? | 17:18 |
| nkinkade | maybe, let me see. | 17:18 |
| nkinkade | that's the best advice I've got in years. | 17:19 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, I also enjoy ^Aing, then ^Kutting, then ^Yanking. | 17:22 |
| paulproteus | But that's only useful if I want the whole line. | 17:22 |
| paulproteus | What I really love doing is ^Aing and then putting a # before the line. | 17:22 |
| paulproteus | Often I'll think I want to do something, but before pressing enter I'll realize there are prerequisites. | 17:22 |
| paulproteus | So I comment it out, press enter, and then find it later with ^R. | 17:23 |
| nkinkade | it's just what I've wanted for years. it's not uncommon that I want to, for example, rename a directory that is nowhere near my pwd, so I $ mv /some/really/long/path/to/a/buried/spot .... | 17:24 |
| nkinkade | only to have to retype the previous word | 17:24 |
| paulproteus | Also, slick rename trick: | 17:24 |
| paulproteus | mv filename{,.bak} | 17:24 |
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| nkinkade | so now C-w C-y does what I want. I've used C-w for a long time, but I had no idea that it put it into some type of paste buffer. | 17:24 |
| paulproteus | Soon I'll convert you to Emacs! | 17:25 |
| nkinkade | really? | 17:25 |
| paulproteus | Well, this is all Emacisms. | 17:26 |
| nkinkade | I guess I didn't know that because I've only ever opened up Emacs and then closed it right away. This is what happens when you learn on FreeBSD. | 17:29 |
| paulproteus | Well, I told you about my first experience with vi(m), right? | 17:29 |
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| nkinkade | No, but you seem like an expert at nano, so I figure there's a reason for that. | 17:30 |
| paulproteus | Well, if you look at my laptop you'll see three or four Emacs windows open. | 17:31 |
| paulproteus | re: vim: It's a classic joke, but it really happened to me. I ran it on a text console (Ctrl-Alt-F2 style), and then wanted to quit. | 17:31 |
| paulproteus | ^C ^C | 17:31 |
| paulproteus | ^X | 17:31 |
| paulproteus | What is this? | 17:31 |
| paulproteus | I guess I'll reboot. | 17:31 |
| paulproteus | Ctrl-Alt-Del | 17:31 |
| paulproteus | Ta-da, my first experience with vim. | 17:31 |
| nkinkade | what did ctrl-alt-del do from inside the a vim session? | 17:32 |
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| paulproteus | On a real tty with a normal /etc/inittab, it reboots the system gracefully. | 17:36 |
| nkinkade | I wasn't sure it would still do that from within VIM. So what were you expecting when you hit ctrl-alt-del, that the program would gracefully exit? | 17:38 |
| paulproteus | No, "Screw this, I've had enough." | 17:39 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, Is diane@cc an alias for dc@cc? | 18:05 |
| nkinkade | I can tell you in just a minute. | 18:06 |
| paulproteus | Actually, I was just told "No" anyway. | 18:06 |
| paulproteus | Never mind. (-: | 18:06 |
| nkinkade | and that is correct. | 18:07 |
| paulproteus | BTW, please ditch the junkmailfilter MX soon. | 18:07 |
| paulproteus | I think it ate some mail destined for Diane sent to Diane by Diane. | 18:07 |
| paulproteus | What's the fake domain we can use to bypass the junkmailfilter MX? | 18:08 |
| nkinkade | It might have, and it wouldn't surprise me. | 18:08 |
| paulproteus | test-a.cthuugle-creativecommons.gmail.co.uk or something? | 18:08 |
| nkinkade | creativecommons.org.test-google-a.com | 18:08 |
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| nkinkade | roflcopter material for sure. | 18:08 |
| paulproteus | I was close. | 18:08 |
| tvol | i'm back paulproteus | 18:10 |
| tvol | paulproteus: | 18:12 |
| tvol | you have time for a few questions on smw? | 18:12 |
| paulproteus | Yes. Do you know enough to ask questions? | 18:12 |
| paulproteus | It's way easier to do a tour with a shared screen or in person, but admittedly it takes more of my time so I'm willing to skip it if you are. | 18:12 |
| tvol | ha. we'll see, paulproteus. well, i think i see the general idea of what we need to do. | 18:13 |
| tvol | 1. create or reuse properties | 18:13 |
| paulproteus | Okay, great. (-: | 18:13 |
| * paulproteus nods | 18:13 | |
| tvol | 2. create template | 18:13 |
| paulproteus | With focus on reuse if possible. | 18:13 |
| * paulproteus nods | 18:13 | |
| tvol | for casestudy | 18:13 |
| tvol | 3. create form | 18:13 |
| paulproteus | So far, so good. | 18:13 |
| tvol | yeah wanted to ask you on the "reuse" | 18:13 |
| paulproteus | Oh, one more thing is the category - you probably want to create a Category that has the property "Has default form: Your form". | 18:14 |
| tvol | properties like "name"--can be used globally...so we can use "name" for the project name? | 18:14 |
| paulproteus | Yes, but even better, you should just name the page the same as the project's name. | 18:14 |
| paulproteus | That way, you don't even bother with a name property. | 18:14 |
| tvol | paulproteus: got it. | 18:15 |
| tvol | also... | 18:15 |
| tvol | on content directories, we have "format" to define sound, image, etc. | 18:16 |
| tvol | for casestudies, some of these apply | 18:16 |
| tvol | but could be expanded to include things like "performance" | 18:16 |
| tvol | should i: add to "format" | 18:16 |
| tvol | or create new "media type" or something? | 18:16 |
| paulproteus | Sounds like format could do okay. | 18:16 |
| tvol | ok | 18:17 |
| tvol | paulproteus: and things like project overview or description should always just be "free text" boxes | 18:18 |
| paulproteus | Type: Text | 18:18 |
| paulproteus | It depends. | 18:18 |
| paulproteus | I would just make them sections on the page, since it doesn't make sense to search them semantically. | 18:18 |
| tvol | oh yeah, that's what i mean | 18:18 |
| tvol | ok cool | 18:19 |
| paulproteus | Unfortunately even I don't have the years of experience necessary for me to feel super confident about these decisions. (-: | 18:19 |
| * tvol shooting from the hip | 18:19 | |
| tvol | as well | 18:19 |
| tvol | ok paulproteus, let me hack this a bit. does it sound like i've got a basic handle on it? | 18:20 |
| tvol | anything else? | 18:20 |
| paulproteus | It sounds like you're actually fine. | 18:23 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 18:23 |
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| SpNg | So I have been reading up on creative commons, and I'm really impressed with the idea. What is the best way to contact participating creators? We are looking to integrate the idea into our website, www.webceleb.com | 18:54 |
| SpNg | damn server is down right now though... | 18:54 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, | 18:58 |
| paulproteus | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API | 18:58 |
| paulproteus | SpNg, Hey now. | 18:58 |
| paulproteus | SpNg, Well, you have to find them, basically, or harvest their media some other way. | 18:59 |
| SpNg | hello | 18:59 |
| SpNg | ok, so you do not keep a DB of those who participate? | 18:59 |
| paulproteus | We do not, that's right. | 18:59 |
| paulproteus | You can use the e.g. Yahoo or Google Creative Commons search to find media. | 18:59 |
| SpNg | ok | 19:00 |
| paulproteus | And you can look at wiki.creativecommons.org/Content_Curators to see a list of other services that host content. | 19:00 |
| SpNg | we do not want to host anything not uploaded by the creator. | 19:00 |
| SpNg | excellent! | 19:00 |
| paulproteus | Your project sounds similar to Jamendo in that way. | 19:00 |
| paulproteus | You should be sure to check them out. | 19:00 |
| SpNg | Jamendo, I'm unfamiliar | 19:00 |
| SpNg | Jamendo.com? | 19:00 |
| paulproteus | Yup | 19:00 |
| SpNg | k, brb | 19:01 |
| SpNg | great looking site | 19:04 |
| SpNg | and it appears they have a fair amount of users | 19:04 |
| SpNg | How has the creative community been responding to offering their music for free? | 19:04 |
| paulproteus | There's a huge range of responses. | 19:08 |
| paulproteus | I think the important thing to say is that many people are very receptive to a some-rights-reserved regime that empowers fans more than the default all-rights-reserved regime. | 19:09 |
| paulproteus | "While it's downloading, take a nap." <http://publicsvn.songbirdnest.com/wiki/Subversion_Instructions> | 19:09 |
| SpNg | We were promoting an open media network as well on our website, and we had some back lash from the community | 19:11 |
| SpNg | some did not like the idea | 19:11 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: wikipedia apparently uses the same setup and trying wikipedia/api.php results in the same behavior at at rdfa.info ... | 19:12 |
| nkinkade | I'll have to look into how they get around that. | 19:12 |
| nkinkade | Or maybe they don't. | 19:12 |
| SpNg | So we are changing it so users can choose to offer open download or not, and we are going to link to a CC license if that was how it was released | 19:12 |
| paulproteus | Maybe they do en.wikipedia.org/api.php | 19:12 |
| nkinkade | that's the one I tried, actually. | 19:14 |
| nkinkade | my reference was shorthand. | 19:14 |
| * paulproteus nods | 19:16 | |
| paulproteus | Well, just so you know, I believe your alias thing is Wrong, and that my mod_rewrite way is Right. | 19:16 |
| paulproteus | But hey, that's life. (-: | 19:16 |
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| nkinkade | I've found a very nice way to lock of a terminal. Try to get an interactive shell via SSH on a remote server that is configured for forced commands only. | 19:42 |
| nkinkade | I'm on the edge of hitting Ctrl-Alt-Del. :) | 19:42 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: It's not a matter of my way and your way. It's simply about MediaWiki's way and your way: | 19:44 |
| nkinkade | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Recommended_configuration_.28Used_on_Wikipedia.29 | 19:44 |
| nkinkade | I'm just using at the moment because it was recommened, not because I necessarily think it's better or worse. | 19:44 |
| paulproteus | Zing! re: MW's way and my way | 19:45 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 19:46 |
| nkinkade | Maybe you can post a message to their devel list and tell them why they are so wrong and you are so right. | 19:46 |
| nkinkade | :) | 19:46 |
| paulproteus | Well, okay, maybe wrong and right is a little harsh in the end. (-: | 19:46 |
| nkinkade | But I don't mean that sarcastically. | 19:46 |
| * paulproteus nods | 19:46 | |
| nkinkade | You could be right for all I know. You frequently are when it comes to computers. | 19:47 |
| paulproteus | Oh, that reminds me. | 19:51 |
| paulproteus | I have a trick to show you, for which I'll need some prep time and to buy a firewire card. | 19:51 |
| paulproteus | You may already know about it, I'm not sure. | 19:51 |
| paulproteus | Oh, that reminds me... | 19:51 |
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| tvol | ok paulproteus: partway there | 19:59 |
| tvol | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Template:Case_Study | 19:59 |
| tvol | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Form:Case_Study | 19:59 |
| paulproteus | tvol, Cool. | 20:03 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Okay, scr1pt kidd13 style, I think I know just the tools to do the Windows thing. | 20:04 |
| tvol | paulproteus: one problem i'm seeing is that "format" property hasn't been defined. this is tied to the content directories too so i'm a bit confused.....seems to be handled differently there | 20:04 |
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| paulproteus | We'll see, though, obviously. | 20:04 |
| paulproteus | tvol, Well, Special:CreateProperty then... | 20:04 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: would you buy a firewire card just to test that? | 20:05 |
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| tvol | ok paulproteus thanks for the help! i'm getting booted from this cafe | 20:16 |
| tvol | something fishy with "format" when i try to define....screws up content directories....will look into more tomorrow | 20:17 |
| paulproteus | tvol, Feel free to send me email! | 20:17 |
| tvol | cool thx | 20:17 |
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