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| isforinsects | Excellent. Moe_ made me a mod of the CC flickr group. | 11:07 |
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| isforinsects | I will attempt to work up a script to double check CC status versus said photo being in the group. And as Asheesh asked, I will hand check each comment post just to make sure. | 11:08 |
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| isforinsects | Moe_ also offered adminship and moderator status to anyone at the office who would like it. FYI | 12:12 |
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| _ke | hi | 13:00 |
| _ke | i just wanted to know, if there are some big picture databases, where i can use the pictures for a commercial web project | 13:00 |
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| nkinkade | _ke: one big picture database of sorts is http://flickr.com. there are millions of CC licensed images at Flickr, though not all of them will be suitable for commercial purposes. | 13:14 |
| _ke | nkinkade, yeah, that seems like something i was looking for. but now i dont understand "commercial": we have a commercial web platform, but is it commercial, if we just put a CC-by-nc picture on our homepage in an article? | 13:16 |
| nkinkade | _ke: that isn't very easy to answer, unfortunately. some people have actually criticized the NC definition for being to vague. | 13:19 |
| nkinkade | _ke: In fact, just this morning I was reading a related article: http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9849881-7.html | 13:20 |
| isforinsects | I just saw a pretty nice pdf flowchard going over the possible uses of -nc | 13:21 |
| nkinkade | isforinsects: I'd love to see that PDF. | 13:21 |
| _ke | isforinsects, yeah? id love to see it too | 13:21 |
| nkinkade | isforinsects: By the way, I haven't forgot about the "127.0.0.1" thing with the Wiki registrations. I've just got a load of things on my plate right now and I've got the email as a reminder, but it may be a number of days before I can really look at it. | 13:22 |
| isforinsects | nkinkade: Oh I figured you had it undercontrol or it was a non-issue. | 13:23 |
| isforinsects | Looking for the pdf now | 13:23 |
| nkinkade | isforinsects: the issue isn't a critical one, but I hate to see anything that isn't working properly, no matter how small, so I do plan to make some efforts to correct it at some point here. | 13:23 |
| isforinsects | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/NonCommercial_Guidelines | 13:26 |
| isforinsects | http://www.adamfields.com/CC-NC-allowed-uses-flowchart.pdf | 13:26 |
| nkinkade | isforinsects: thanks. looks like he's got a small error in the chart. both options coming out of "Is there a click-through license ..." say Yes. | 13:34 |
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| nkinkade | According to the way I'm reading that flowchart it would appear that he is saying that, under many circumstances, displaying an NC work on a site with something like Google Adsense is permissible, for example in a blog. | 13:38 |
| netk | Hello. I have a doubt about possible licence conflict. | 13:41 |
| nkinkade | I suppose at the end of the day it comes down to what an attorney could convincingly argue in a court. | 13:41 |
| netk | I am developing a web site where all the content will be contributed by users. | 13:42 |
| netk | The content might come from the user's own knowledge, Wikipedia (GPL), snippets of copyright sources, or a combination of them. | 13:42 |
| netk | Yet, I want to CC the contributed derived content content as a by-nc-sa/3.0. | 13:42 |
| netk | Hello? | 13:48 |
| nkinkade | netk: I'm not sure about the answer to that question. Something tells me that the definition between a derivative work and collection might come into play. And just as a stab in the dark, assuming that some of the information is under normal copyright, it strikes me as something like taking 1 copyrighted song from 20 albums and then trying to publish the resulting compilation under a new license. | 13:48 |
| netk | I see. Thanks nkinkade. --- If I limit myself to own content + GPL, do you think it might conflict with CC? | 13:49 |
| nkinkade | netk: However, I'm still relatively new at CC, and I'm probably missing some larger/other issue. Hopefully someone else here had a better understanding of the licenses and nuances and can give you a better answer, as mine isn't as much as answer as a total guess. | 13:49 |
| netk | But you did make a good point about the album... thanks for your insight! | 13:50 |
| nkinkade | netk: when you say GPL, are you referring to GFDL? | 13:50 |
| netk | I refer to the licence in which Wikipedia is allowed to be used. Which I believe is GPL. So if I use part of its content, to derive my own, can I license it as CC? | 13:51 |
| nkinkade | GPL is generally for software. Wikipedia uses the GFDL : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License | 13:53 |
| netk | Ah! then yes. I meant GFDL | 13:53 |
| nkinkade | See the section under "Timeline" | 13:54 |
| netk | Awesome! Thankyou Nkin | 13:54 |
| nkinkade | The part that talks about extensive talks between Wikiimedia and FSF and CC. | 13:55 |
| nkinkade | I think that the GFDL and the CC BY-SA are not currently totally compatible. | 13:56 |
| nkinkade | But hopefully they will be at some point in the not too distant future. | 13:56 |
| netk | Yeah, they acually address the issue. I was about to contact CC to ask them directly. | 13:57 |
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| CIA-2 | ........ | 14:02 |
| nkinkade | netk: I work at CC, but there are people here that know a lot more about the licenses that I do. | 14:03 |
| netk | Oh I see. Do you recommend that I use the contact form to explain more detailed my circumstances? | 14:04 |
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| tvol | hey netk i'd hit up the cc-licenses or cc-community lists... | 14:12 |
| tvol | http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-community | 14:12 |
| tvol | http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-licenses | 14:12 |
| netk | I found something: http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/7888 | 14:12 |
| tvol | ahh yes. | 14:13 |
| nkinkade | tvol: thanks for chiming in. | 14:14 |
| tvol | nkinkade no problem | 14:14 |
| netk | So I guess this means in the near future --if not now already-- we will be able to mix wikipedia content with CC.... | 14:15 |
| tvol | netk yes this is the push. | 14:15 |
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| isforinsects | nkinkade: Re pdf: Any idea who that person is? | 14:51 |
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| nkinkade | isforinsects: no, i have no idea, but based on your question I'm assuming that it's someone i should be familiar with. i still don't really know, even after browsing his resume. | 16:18 |
| isforinsects | nkinkade: No, I don't either. | 16:19 |
| isforinsects | Just wondering how trusted the info is. | 16:20 |
| nkinkade | isforinsects: i was feeling selfconscious for a moment there. I was thinking that perhaps your questions was more rhetorical. :) | 16:23 |
| nkinkade | But in any case, maybe I should notify him that one of the steps in his flowchart has "Yes" for both possibilities. maybe it's some sort of weird existential commentary encoded into his chart. | 16:26 |
| nkinkade | bovinity, paulproteus: off-hand, do either of you know how magpierss implements caching? in general terms. | 16:35 |
| bovinity | dunno how it does it, if it does it at all | 16:36 |
| bovinity | i know it doesn't store anything in DB | 16:36 |
| nkinkade | i thought i remember paulproteus telling me that it cache. i had updated the Planet, but the new posts weren't showing up on the CC.org main page, but it is now. it lagged a couple minutes. | 16:37 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, Hi. | 18:46 |
| paulproteus | Magpie RSS uses cache files somewhere. | 18:46 |
| paulproteus | I think. | 18:46 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: hi | 18:46 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, re: PDF flowchart: That's the "Non commercial use guidelines". | 18:46 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: i recall you having said that at one point. turns out that it updated it's cache after a few minutes. | 18:46 |
| paulproteus | I see you all found it. | 18:47 |
| paulproteus | The flowchart PDF is wrong in a couple of ways iirc. | 18:47 |
| * paulproteus nods, cool. | 18:47 | |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: re:pdf, right. I didn't study the chart too much, other than to notice that one step had "Yes" as both possibilities. | 18:47 |
| paulproteus | I made this DHTML thing summer 2006 that was moderately useful, but I don't know if it ever was done enough to be unleashed on the general public. | 18:48 |
| nkinkade | What did it do? | 18:48 |
| paulproteus | Wow, 'net connectivity is really good here... | 18:48 |
| paulproteus | Even though I'm tunneling through MIT.... | 18:49 |
| paulproteus | (Dulles airport) | 18:49 |
| paulproteus | It just turned the thing Mia wrote into an interactive thing like the ToT tool. | 18:49 |
| paulproteus | http://labs.creativecommons.org/termination/ | 18:50 |
| paulproteus | wiki.creativecommons.org/ToT_Hypos | 18:50 |
| paulproteus | I'm sure that will be revisited by the recently-promised work on NC. | 18:50 |
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| bovinity | maybe we can get dana back, yet again, to work on it some more :P | 19:03 |
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| isforinsects | What would be the rules for CC'ing a photo consisting of a trademark? | 20:01 |
| isforinsects | http://www.flickr.com/photos/25473210@N00/2130300178 | 20:01 |
| isforinsects | The subject of the photo is *just* trademark | 20:02 |
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