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| paulproteus | nathany, chat? | 13:01 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: one minute... | 13:01 |
| paulproteus | Sure, just grab me. | 13:02 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, http://api.creativecommons.org/jswidget/trunk/template.js.var works for me | 13:42 |
| tvol | morning bovinity do you know when livecontent will be completed at manufacturers? | 13:42 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: i notice that the example web app has two different css files included | 13:49 |
| nathany | can we merge that into a single one to minimize the amount people need to include? | 13:49 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Surely. | 13:49 |
| nathany | (maybe a stripped down file) | 13:49 |
| nathany | thanks | 13:49 |
| paulproteus | I'll note to do so, even. | 13:49 |
| nathany | :) | 13:50 |
| jakin | tannewt, where are we at? | 13:51 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, which sentence was the one that wasn't a sentence? | 13:51 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, Second sentence of your quote. | 13:51 |
| tannewt | jakin, I'm editing a post for the front of cc.org | 13:51 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, was it the drm one? | 13:52 |
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| jakin | tannewt, what are your thoughts on splitting liblicense up? | 13:52 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, I'd have to go looking through revision history; I can't find it in PRESS.... | 13:53 |
| tannewt | jakin, into what? | 13:53 |
| jakin | tannewt, pull out the desktop stuff stuff | 13:54 |
| tannewt | jakin, sure, nows the time to do it | 13:54 |
| jakin | tannewt, i was going to do i18n, but i18n needs to be done in the nautilus stuff, not the liblicense library... i'd want it seperated first, if that's what we're doing | 13:55 |
| tannewt | jakin, works for me | 13:56 |
| tannewt | paulproteus and nathany, would this work to post on the front blog, http://pastebin.com/d75c1b98b ? | 13:56 |
| paulproteus | "With great thanks to...and every license author" | 13:57 |
| paulproteus | You really want to thank the author of the WTFPL and the MindGuard Public License? | 13:57 |
| paulproteus | Okay, the WTFPL actually *is* good. | 13:57 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, yes | 13:57 |
| paulproteus | And MSFT for their licenses? | 13:58 |
| jakin | hmm, so maybe liblicense-{gnome,kde4} svn modules? (or do you want to discuss this after you get the announcments out?) | 13:58 |
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| jakin | tannewt, | 13:58 |
| luisv | you'd probably want them to be gnome-cc-license and kde-cc-license, since they wouldn't have library components | 13:59 |
| tannewt | jakin, what about the gtk stuff which will probably be reused for sugar? | 13:59 |
| luisv | (I say 'cc' on the assumption that this is cc-specific, which it may not be) | 13:59 |
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| tannewt | well, the desktop is more cc specific but not purely cc | 14:00 |
| paulproteus | Oh, man, I love using Debian Unstable. | 14:00 |
| paulproteus | You get new software every day! | 14:00 |
| jakin | tannewt, not sure... | 14:00 |
| paulproteus | Even if the changes are usually packaging fixes that have no bearing on anything. | 14:00 |
| luisv | like a newspaper with occasional grenades. | 14:00 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, you obviously didn't use gentoo too long | 14:00 |
| paulproteus | luisv++ | 14:00 |
| jakin | tannewt, use the gnome package and just install the widget? | 14:01 |
| paulproteus | Oh, yeah, and did I mention? The packages actually install, plus they don't take weeks to build. | 14:01 |
| paulproteus | ^^ -- I did use Gentoo for too long | 14:01 |
| nathany | tannewt: blog post is ok, although you should probably preface it with something like "Scott Shawcroft is a technical intern this summer" or something liek that, since i don't think you've posted before | 14:01 |
| jakin | paulproteus, what, were you on an original pentium? | 14:02 |
| paulproteus | jakin, An Xbox with 64 megs of soldered-on RAM that was also running X to serve MythTV to my parents. | 14:02 |
| luisv | paulproteus++ backatcha | 14:02 |
| paulproteus | Once I quit X, it went down from a week to half a day or something. | 14:02 |
| tannewt | nathany, I can add a sentence that I'm an intern | 14:02 |
| jakin | paulproteus, meh, xbox... | 14:03 |
| nathany | tannewt: great | 14:03 |
| nathany | tannewt, jakin: doing something like [gnome|kde4|sugar]-cc-license | 14:03 |
| nathany | appeals to me | 14:03 |
| paulproteus | Speeding things up didn't fix the fact that the QT packages were broken and after that week of compiling, mythtv wouldn't run because QT didn't install the mysql extension and the package management system wasn't aware of this so it couldn't force QT to rebuild itself. | 14:03 |
| nathany | (as luisv suggested) | 14:03 |
| tannewt | nathany, what about the gtk widget? would sugar- depend on gnome-? | 14:04 |
| luisv | if the gtk widget is truly intended to be used by multiple apps, probably it should live in liblicense | 14:04 |
| nathany | right | 14:04 |
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| jakin | and then we'd need the kde widget in there too | 14:05 |
| tannewt | luisv and nathany, sounds good to me | 14:05 |
| luisv | jakin has a point- does that make liblicense depend on gtk and qt then? | 14:06 |
| nathany | optional dependencies, i think | 14:06 |
| jakin | optionally, yes | 14:06 |
| luisv | ah, then not a big deal. | 14:06 |
| nathany | if you wanted a "pure" dependency graph, it seems like both the gtk and kde (and any other toolkit) would need their own packages | 14:06 |
| nathany | which seems like overkill @ this point | 14:06 |
| luisv | how is kde4 anyway? I still haven't gotten a chance to pull down one of their livecds. | 14:06 |
| tannewt | nathany, http://pastebin.com/d2b732d05 | 14:06 |
| nathany | great | 14:07 |
| nathany | ^^ tannewt | 14:07 |
| jakin | one thing i'm concerned about is the build system being a mess | 14:07 |
| tannewt | nathany, sweet, who can set me up with an account to post from? | 14:07 |
| luisv | jakin: that is a great task for a post-release volunteer to help fix | 14:07 |
| jakin | and now i'm about to add i18n stuff to configure (i18n for the nautilus stuff... another system would be needed for kde's stuff) | 14:08 |
| nathany | why would other stuff be needed for kde? don't they use gettext as well? | 14:08 |
| jakin | and ideally, the kde4 stuff would use cmake | 14:08 |
| nathany | tannewt: kinkade | 14:08 |
| tannewt | nathany, okay | 14:09 |
| nathany | paulproteus: can you ping me when jswidget has css info on the wiki? | 14:11 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Sure (-: | 14:12 |
| jakin | i'd also like to split it up because maintaining this ugly build system is hindering further work | 14:12 |
| tannewt | nathany, where should I send the press release to? | 14:14 |
| nathany | tannewt: no idea; ask jon | 14:14 |
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| tannewt | nathany, alright, I put it in the tarball and will catch him when hes on again | 14:14 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, demo CSS links are on there now. | 14:15 |
| nathany | paulproteus: woot! | 14:16 |
| paulproteus | That's just a demo CSS link; it doesn't say what to customize and so on. I'll work on that more later. | 14:17 |
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| tannewt | paulproteus, hows the ll packaging coming along? | 14:24 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, I stopped last night due to the lack of an exempi package. | 14:25 |
| paulproteus | I find myself becoming less reasonable due to being hungry. | 14:26 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, do you plan on packaging exempi or are you not going to? | 14:26 |
| tannewt | rrrojer, can we meet this afternoon to talk about sugar? | 14:27 |
| rrrojer | sure | 14:27 |
| paulproteus | The exempi distribution seems to have some packaging-related stuff in it, so this might be easy, tannewt. | 14:28 |
| tannewt | rrrojer, alright | 14:28 |
| paulproteus | I'll look at ll packaging again post-lunch. | 14:28 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, alright, I wont cross it off the list then, sounds good | 14:28 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: i notice the css link is to labs.cc.org; any particular reason? | 14:38 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Yeah, the idea is that you're supposed to copy the CSS file to your own machine. | 14:38 |
| nathany | ah | 14:39 |
| nathany | ok | 14:39 |
| paulproteus | It should be part of your web app, not mine. | 14:39 |
| paulproteus | I'll have a stronger note about that In The Future. | 14:39 |
| nathany | got it; makes sense | 14:41 |
| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6481] jswidget/trunk/example_web_app: Revision: 6481 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6481&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-07-31 11:43:11 -0700 (Tue, 31 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- example web app refers to new unified CSS Modified Paths: -------------- jswidget/trunk/example_web_app/index.html | 14:44 |
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| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6483] jswidget/trunk/example_web_app/ example-widget-style.css: Revision: 6483 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6483&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-07-31 11:54:34 -0700 (Tue, 31 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- formatting plus removed some dead rules Modified Paths: -------------- | 14:56 |
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| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6484] jswidget/trunk/example_web_app/ example-widget-style.css: Revision: 6484 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6484&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-07-31 11:54:49 -0700 (Tue, 31 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- I am haunted by the spectre of nc-ad Modified Paths: -------------- | 14:56 |
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| luisv | surely the bot could be hacked to grep for and eliminate (or at least shorten) the sf.net ads/ | 14:56 |
| luisv | ? | 14:56 |
| paulproteus | luisv, Yes, it could, and I think that'd be nice too. | 14:59 |
| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6485] jswidget/trunk/example_web_app: Revision: 6485 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6485&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-07-31 11:57:33 -0700 (Tue, 31 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- bodies with class Modified Paths: -------------- jswidget/trunk/example_web_app/example-widget-style.css | 14:59 |
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| luisv | hehe | 15:00 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: http://developer.yahoo.com/yslow/ | 16:01 |
| paulproteus | Super rad. | 16:03 |
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| tannewt | nathany, you okay with the liblicense split up? | 16:13 |
| paulproteus | He doesn't look very at his desk. | 16:17 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, good point | 16:17 |
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| nathany | tannewt: splitting the desktop-specific pieces out into their own packages, making liblicense be, well, "lib"-y? | 16:22 |
| tannewt | nathany, yup | 16:23 |
| nathany | yeah, i'm down with that | 16:23 |
| tannewt | nathany, sweet | 16:25 |
| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6486] jswidget/trunk/example_web_app: Revision: 6486 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6486&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-07-31 13:29:03 -0700 (Tue, 31 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- cleaned out many unnecessary CSS rules Modified Paths: -------------- jswidget/trunk/example_web_app/example-widget- | 16:32 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, BTW validator.w3c.org is even slower than creativecommons.org/license , so you can feel less bad! | 16:43 |
| nathany | :) | 16:43 |
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| jakin | nathany, have you gotten a chance to look at the license chooser api? if you don't have any feedback, I'm going to wrap the (1<<X) in ll_attribute_flag("http://..#Attribute") and call it good. | 16:50 |
| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6489] jswidget/trunk/example_web_app/README: Revision: 6489 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6489&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-07-31 13:50:04 -0700 (Tue, 31 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- better do-not-rely-on-me note Modified Paths: -------------- jswidget/trunk/example_web_app/README This was | 16:52 |
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| nathany | jakin: i have not looked at it yet | 16:58 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: how would you feel about slightly refactoring the template generator for jswidget to use zc.buildout for dependency retrieval? | 17:08 |
| nathany | [yes, it's simple, but it'd be handy for developers...er, me] | 17:08 |
| paulproteus | dependency retrieval? | 17:08 |
| tvol | hey bovinity what's the verdict about the videos on cc.o site re: site redesign? | 17:09 |
| bovinity | umm | 17:09 |
| paulproteus | nathany, You know, by 0.8 or so I won't mind adding buildout. | 17:11 |
| paulproteus | I'll mention it on the plan. | 17:11 |
| nathany | :) | 17:11 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, I'll now see again about those packages. | 17:14 |
| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6490] jswidget/trunk: Revision: 6490 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6490&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-07-31 14:13:59 -0700 (Tue, 31 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- complain if you lack dependencies Modified Paths: -------------- jswidget/trunk/Makefile Added Paths: ----------- | 17:14 |
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| tannewt | paulproteus, sweet | 17:14 |
| paulproteus | BTW, imho you should email the exempi guy and tell him you're doing this liblicense stuff with his work. | 17:14 |
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| paulproteus | There is some chatter on his blog as to the correctness of exempi vs. RDF vs. who knows what else, so it's probably good to touch base on that point. | 17:15 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, whats his name? | 17:15 |
| paulproteus | http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?Exempi is the dude's page for this stuff. | 17:16 |
| luisv | hub in gnome irc | 17:17 |
| paulproteus | It is maintained by Hubert Figuiere <hub@figuiere.net> | 17:17 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, jakin has been talking with him | 17:18 |
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| paulproteus | tannewt, Okay, good. | 17:18 |
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| paulproteus | So when exempi compiles, it has some warnings. | 17:32 |
| paulproteus | Totally sweet, exempi's git has a Debian package that's less than half-broken. | 17:33 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, When you ship releases, do you ship it with a./configure script? | 17:34 |
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| paulproteus | Or do you just ship autogen.sh? | 17:34 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, ./configure I believe | 17:34 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, Good. | 17:34 |
| paulproteus | It'd be nice if you gave me a tarball like that to package, but I'll deal for now. (-: | 17:34 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, like what? | 17:35 |
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| paulproteus | With a ./configure rather than autogen.sh. | 17:37 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, did you check the tarball? | 17:38 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, Huh, did you make a 0.4 release? | 17:38 |
| paulproteus | You told me to grab trunk last time we talked. | 17:38 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, whaa? you mean 0.3? | 17:39 |
| paulproteus | Er, probably, yeah. | 17:39 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=80503&package_id=238700&release_id=528814 | 17:40 |
| paulproteus | Superb! | 17:40 |
| paulproteus | GTK widget and app: no | 17:41 |
| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6494] wpLicense/trunk/wpLicense: Revision: 6494 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6494&view=rev Author: nyergler Date: 2007-07-31 14:40:29 -0700 (Tue, 31 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- Styling for the selector; HTML output. Modified Paths: -------------- wpLicense/trunk/wpLicense/wpLicense.php Added Paths: | 17:41 |
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| paulproteus | Everything else seems okay. | 17:41 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, The GNOME stuff requires python-gnome, eh? | 17:42 |
| paulproteus | Sweet, got it. | 17:42 |
| paulproteus | touch /usr/share/icons/hicolor | 17:43 |
| paulproteus | Dude, your make requires to be run as root. | 17:43 |
| paulproteus | That's Extremely Wrong. | 17:43 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, shouldn't the touch be make install? | 17:44 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, I don tthink its python-gnome | 17:44 |
| paulproteus | Sure, but even 'make install' shouldn't need to be run as root. | 17:45 |
| paulproteus | Anyway, one minute, I'll fix it for the package. | 17:45 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, maybe you are missing pkgconfig pygtk | 17:45 |
| paulproteus | It's okay, I have it now. | 17:45 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, cool, its just following the freedesktop spec | 17:46 |
| paulproteus | Debian doesn't run 'make install' as root, because otherwise broken packages could compromise build machines and otherwise mess up the environment for later builds. | 17:46 |
| paulproteus | I'm still deeply shocked that other non-.deb distributions don't have this policy. | 17:47 |
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| jakin | paulproteus, what's the fix then? | 17:51 |
| paulproteus | Well, a post-install script would handle the icon cache. | 17:51 |
| paulproteus | There's probably in Debian a debhelper script to automate it. | 17:51 |
| jakin | paulproteus, we still need to handle for users you install from the tarball | 17:52 |
| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6496] wpLicense: Revision: 6496 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6496&view=rev Author: nyergler Date: 2007-07-31 14:49:39 -0700 (Tue, 31 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- Tagging 0.9 RC1 Modified Paths: -------------- wpLicense/trunk/wpLicense/wpLicense.php Added Paths: ----------- | 17:52 |
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| jakin | s/you/who | 17:52 |
| tannewt | rrrojer, I'm ready to meet when you are | 17:52 |
| paulproteus | jakin, That's very true, and I'm not quite sure what to do that correctly handles both cases. )-: | 17:52 |
| paulproteus | jakin, I'd say, you guys handle installs from tarball, and I'll just make sure the .deb comments out that 'touch' in the Debian diff. | 17:52 |
| rrrojer | tannewt: im free | 17:52 |
| tannewt | rrrojer, woot, lets do it | 17:53 |
| paulproteus | I'm sure that there *is* a good solution, I just haven't run into such a problem before. I'm sure that other GNOME packages do something slightly more reasonable. | 17:53 |
| paulproteus | You guys do what you have to do; I'm just still shocked that other distros build as root. | 17:53 |
| jakin | paulproteus, if they do, i'm all for changing it. we just don't have another solution so that's why it's there | 17:53 |
| * paulproteus nods | 17:54 | |
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| jakin | gentoo doesn't, it required some pre-processing to make it work | 17:54 |
| jakin | but okay, looks like were good for now... | 17:54 |
| paulproteus | Oh, okay, then I guess we'll all have to work around it. (-: | 17:54 |
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| paulproteus | So, um, if it installed, what would it do? | 17:54 |
| paulproteus | It creates a /usr/bin/license normally? | 17:55 |
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| paulproteus | Wow, my packages are pretty empty. I guess I'll fix that... | 17:55 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, normally? | 17:58 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, I mean, what functionality should I expect of my package to verify that the stuff worked? | 17:59 |
| paulproteus | /usr/bin/license + Nautilus chooser + a library in /usr/lib + headers in /usr/include ? | 17:59 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, pretty much, nautilus emblems | 17:59 |
| tannewt | course, emblems and chooser are in the same file | 17:59 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, There was some dude saying a week ago on cc-devel that WpLicense wasn't working at all for him. Did you see that? | 18:07 |
| nathany | yeah, i need to follow up with him | 18:07 |
| paulproteus | Okay, cool. | 18:08 |
| nathany | basically this release should fix that | 18:08 |
| paulproteus | Well, let me ship 0.3 first (probably tomorrow morning). | 18:08 |
| paulproteus | You know, the README says not to rely on this, and so forth. | 18:08 |
| paulproteus | I still reserve the right to totally break the trunk.... | 18:10 |
| paulproteus | What are you calling the liblicense GTK stuff? I was going to call the package liblicense-gtk and put the Python in there. I figured I'd put the command-line stuff in liblicense-cli. | 18:16 |
| paulproteus | But I'm more interested in that the names will line up cross-distribution than I am in any particular naming scheme. | 18:18 |
| jakin | i like liblicense-gnome... we'll actually split the code out later and make them separate packages. we'll need to pick a name for that. | 18:26 |
| paulproteus | Okay, and the CLI binaries = liblicense-bin or liblicense-cli? | 18:26 |
| jakin | i vote cli | 18:29 |
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| paulproteus | Sounds good to me! | 18:30 |
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| paulproteus | I guess you guys aren't using pkg-config (yet?). | 18:42 |
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| cameronparkins | bov: i'm running into some trouble with the WP page publish | 18:43 |
| cameronparkins | for some reason it won't register that the page is published | 18:43 |
| bov | what's it doing instead? | 18:43 |
| bov | what happens when you go to the page | 18:44 |
| cameronparkins | 404 error | 18:44 |
| cameronparkins | http://a2.creativecommons.org/participate/ | 18:44 |
| cameronparkins | it was previewing fine | 18:44 |
| bov | hang on. my tubes are blocked. | 18:45 |
| paulproteus | bov, Feel free to use my tubes. | 18:45 |
| bov | i am! | 18:45 |
| paulproteus | Oh! | 18:45 |
| bov | i found a rad series of tubes shirt last night.. but it's also rather expensive for an amusing internet shirt. | 18:46 |
| paulproteus | I found a rad series of tubas. | 18:46 |
| bov | seriously, it's awesome. https://www.cafepress.com/strk3.72571934 | 18:48 |
| cameronparkins | i want unlimited tubes | 18:48 |
| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6498] liblicense/trunk: Revision: 6498 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6498&view=rev Author: jakin44 Date: 2007-07-31 15:46:58 -0700 (Tue, 31 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- Simplify the license chooser api by OR'ing together ll_attribute_flag("attribute name") to specify flags. Modified Paths: | 18:48 |
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| cchelpbot | NOTICE: licenseprops/license_chooser.cpp liblicense/trunk/src/kde/kde-licenseprops/license_chooser.h liblicense/trunk/src/kde/kde-licenseprops/licenseprops.cpp liblicense/trunk/src/kde/license_chooser.ui liblicense/trunk/tests/chooser_test.c This was sent by the SourceForge.net collaborative development platform, the world's largest Open Source development | 18:48 |
| cchelpbot | NOTICE: site. | 18:48 |
| bov | cameronparkins, curious, looks fine on the manage page.. | 18:48 |
| cameronparkins | haha, bov that is good | 18:48 |
| cameronparkins | yeah right? | 18:49 |
| bov | best one i could find. i did an extensive search last night. | 18:49 |
| cameronparkins | does it need a parent page? | 18:49 |
| paulproteus | https://www.cafepress.com/strk3.72571907 is cheaper and Organic Cotton Tea | 18:49 |
| paulproteus | Okay, it's a cotton tee, but close. | 18:49 |
| paulproteus | paulproteus@asheesh:~ $ license | 18:50 |
| paulproteus | No io modules found.No config modules found.No system default set. | 18:50 |
| paulproteus | The system default license is (null). | 18:50 |
| paulproteus | Segmentation fault | 18:50 |
| paulproteus | I guess I'm not doing something right! (-: | 18:50 |
| bov | eh, i frown on white tshirts | 18:50 |
| bov | but that price is spot on. | 18:50 |
| paulproteus | The non-black ones are cheaper, curiously. | 18:51 |
| paulproteus | c.f. https://www.cafepress.com/strk3/1779849 | 18:51 |
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| jakin | paulproteus, does it create a $libdir/liblicense/{io,config}/ ? | 18:54 |
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| bov | cameronparkins, fixed. | 18:57 |
| cameronparkins | bov, cool - what was the problem? | 18:57 |
| bov | forgot all pages have to be added to the wordpress .htaccess | 18:58 |
| paulproteus | Er, ouch. | 18:59 |
| cameronparkins | ahh | 18:59 |
| cameronparkins | bov, if i wanted to link to another page, what is the correct path? something like this? <a href"about/select_license/"> | 19:10 |
| bov | /path/to/page/ | 19:10 |
| cameronparkins | hmmm | 19:12 |
| cameronparkins | k | 19:12 |
| cameronparkins | cool | 19:12 |
| cameronparkins | bov, the discuss page needs to be added to the .htacess file i believe | 19:14 |
| cameronparkins | its possible many do | 19:14 |
| bov | huh, weird | 19:18 |
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| tannewt | paulproteus, by charging, did you mean drained and unplugged? | 19:30 |
| paulproteus | Apparently. | 19:31 |
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| tannewt | paulproteus, X isn't starting on it either | 19:32 |
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| bov | hm, i'm digging git for local development/revision control. | 19:43 |
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| paulproteus | jakin, tannewt, I'm adding my thoughts to http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Liblicense_04_release_todo#Asheesh.27s_comments by the way. | 20:12 |
| paulproteus | Let me know if you need more explanation or comments. | 20:12 |
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| jakin | "UI is way confusing" would be more constructive if you mention how to improve it :-) | 20:15 |
| tannewt | jakin, he wants it to look like the js widget | 20:16 |
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| paulproteus | jakin, Well, I find the questions very odd. | 20:17 |
| jakin | paulproteus, how so? | 20:18 |
| paulproteus | Well, first of all the first question doesn't say "Require". | 20:22 |
| paulproteus | So it makes me start thinking of actual licenses. | 20:22 |
| paulproteus | So I checked "Attribution" and asked tannewt why it didn't pick CC by 3.0. | 20:22 |
| paulproteus | That might be the whole issue, my initial wrong frame of mind. | 20:22 |
| paulproteus | Also, it lets you choose combinations that don't exist, which is extremely confusing because then you don't know what other checking other boxes will do. | 20:23 |
| paulproteus | Compare this with http://labs.creativecommons.org/dhtmllicense/ , whose checkboxes I find much simpler. | 20:23 |
| paulproteus | This one starts out with a real license, and lets you mix things up until you understand the option space, and checking a box doesn't cause a license to be saved as a default (something that still scares me a little). | 20:24 |
| paulproteus | (I'm not sure if checking a box on yours also causes a license to be saved as a default; I haven't investigated when saving happens, but I have noticed it saved one without having me explicitly say "yes save it now".) | 20:24 |
| jakin | i agree with "Requires Attribution" and explicitly saving it | 20:28 |
| jakin | i want the potential to not just be cc specific, though | 20:28 |
| paulproteus | That makes sense, and is a requirement that the DHTML chooser doesn't have. | 20:29 |
| paulproteus | But how can you use these checkboxes for GPLware, for example? Isn't that "require attribution" + "require share-alike"? | 20:30 |
| jakin | not sure... the rdf for GPL doesn't include "requires attribution" :-/ | 20:31 |
| paulproteus | Well, it requires attribution in the source but not in the binary, iirc. | 20:32 |
| paulproteus | Not a simple situation, I know. | 20:33 |
| paulproteus | In the end, you might just want to have separate tabs in this UI: one for "Media", one for "Software", and so forth. | 20:33 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, its working on the b4 machine | 20:33 |
| paulproteus | It'd be bad news if we caused the creation of lots of CC by-sa software. | 20:33 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, It's ALIVE! | 20:33 |
| * jakin wonders if "content" includes software | 20:34 | |
| luisv | hrm | 20:35 |
| luisv | can I suggest you guys hold off on creating a software tab? | 20:35 |
| jakin | i don't think we want to worry about software licensing, although we should have the api to allow it | 20:35 |
| luisv | OSI is looking at doing a software chooser | 20:35 |
| paulproteus | Software license chooser, I guess, luisv? | 20:35 |
| luisv | right | 20:35 |
| luisv | I'll encourage them to look at your code and talk to you | 20:35 |
| luisv | and maybe they could provide a 'license' tab while you do a content tab | 20:35 |
| luisv | gah | 20:36 |
| luisv | I mean they could provide a software tab while you do a content tab | 20:36 |
| paulproteus | jakin, FWIW I never said "content" (I think). | 20:36 |
| luisv | right, media, or whatever is the least-offensive term for it these days ;) | 20:36 |
| jakin | but we're talking about the "Default content license" | 20:36 |
| paulproteus | jakin, Oh, yeah, good poitn. | 20:37 |
| jakin | although, I realize we have to handle the file properties tabs. | 20:37 |
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