Tuesday, 2010-11-09

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mralexJED3: from what i see on cc.org, i take it the revised chooser layout hasn't gone live yet?01:04
JED3mralex: it has not, no01:04
JED3some i18n updates need to be made which is CW's court01:04
mralexJED3: cool. i just saw it's linking to some deprecated css files that need to come out01:05
JED3mralex: ahh okay, do you want me to remove them?01:05
mralexthat'd be cool01:05
JED3okay, which ones?01:06
mralexhttp://creativecommons.org/wp-content/themes/cc4/support.css and http://creativecommons.org/includes/progress.css01:06
JED3mralex: done, np01:10
JED3whoa its dark outside01:13
mralexthe sky is falling!01:13
CC_HudsonProject cc.engine build (206): FAILURE in 4 min 25 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/cc.engine/206/01:15
CC_HudsonJED3: Removing links to deprecated css01:15
JED3o whats up hudson? where you been all day?01:15
JED3with his monocle01:16
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JED3oh, totally thought hudson donned a monocle01:17
JED3guess not... he needs one01:17
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tvolgood morning #cc15:44
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JED3paroneayea: {|===---- watch out for that pie!18:37
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paroneayea    MATRIX18:51
paroneayea {|==\_o_===------18:51
paroneayea      (  '18:51
paroneayea      /\18:51
paroneayea   PIE DODGE18:51
JED3ha! epic!18:51
akozak||* - - - - ===|}18:52
akozakbounce back18:52
paroneayea   YOU CANNOT18:53
paroneayea ---- _o_ --====|}18:53
paroneayea     ' ( '18:53
paroneayea      /\18:53
paroneayea FUCKING TOUCH THIS18:53
paroneayeaASCII artists have instant access to matrix dodges and manipulations18:54
paroneayeasince everyone knows that the matrix pretty much dissolves into a bunch of text anyway18:54
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paroneayeaJED3: yo, so19:04
paroneayeatranslation extractions!19:04
JED3paroneayea: yesplz!19:05
paroneayeawhich msgids19:06
JED3lemme get yergler's gracing first...19:06
paroneayeaok, just let me know when19:06
JED3nyergler: http://staging.creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?q_1=2&q_1=1&field_commercial=yes&field_derivatives=yes&field_jurisdiction=&field_format=&field_worktitle=&field_attribute_to_name=&field_attribute_to_url=&field_sourceurl=&field_morepermissionsurl=&lang=en_CA&language=en_GB&n_questions=319:06
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JED3nyergler: latest changes to the results template19:06
JED3does this look okay to you?19:07
nyerglerJED3: are the line breaks weird in the support block?19:07
nyergleri guess it's like that on the production site, too19:07
nyerglerlooks great to me; can you ping mlinksva for a once over as well?19:07
nyerglerotherwise looks perfect to me, thanks19:08
JED3ml approves19:12
JED3paroneayea: so did you already take care of the msg's i sent yesterday?19:12
paroneayeaJED3: yes19:13
paroneayeaand pushed to transifex19:13
paroneayeaso just gimme the new ones19:13
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JED3paroneayea: finding em now19:21
JED3paroneayea: actually it looks like the only changes right would be the removal of a couple msg's19:30
JED3i'd rather just note somewhere that these aren't being used anymore, before we delete them from the catalog19:30
paroneayeawhy not delete them19:30
paroneayeaif we're not using them19:30
paroneayeait'll help translators not have to waste time on cruft19:31
paroneayeaif we're sure they aren't used anyway19:31
JED3paroneayea: well i was thinking just in case we decided to revert these changes in cc.engine19:32
paroneayeaah okay19:32
JED3but i suppose we could just do the same for i18n19:32
JED3..revert before the deletion19:32
JED3it looks like there's only one msg19:32
paroneayeaJED3: want me to put a note on my personal  todo item that'll tell me to look at removing this in a month?19:36
paroneayeaso that we'll know safely by then whether or not it'll need to be reverted or not19:36
JED3paroneayea: sounds good to mw19:36
paroneayeaand if not, we can remove the message then19:36
paroneayeaok cool19:36
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JED3paroneayea: wanna ping the affiliates about the fuzzy strings?21:13
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JED3i can do it actually21:13
paroneayeayes you do it then ;)21:15
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nkinkadenyergler: What are your plans for hauling that new rack server over to ISC?21:16
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nyerglernkinkade: i'm planning to haul it down when i have a free second. Unfortunately this week is quickly getting overwhelmed with catch-up tasks and more urgent demands21:27
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paroneayeanyergler: btw, interesting... repoze.bfg and pylons are moving toward pyramid (and bfg is being retired) I hear: http://docs.pylonshq.com/pyramid/dev/22:07
nyerglerparoneayea: yes, it was announced on the repoze.bfg-dev list last week22:08
nyerglervery, very, very good news22:08
nkinkadeparoneayea: Do you think you'd like to do a little testing with Tx v1.0 and the client CLI for pushing and pulling?22:22
nkinkadeI think it might be a good idea.  The tool is really simply.22:23
nkinkadeBasically, pulls and pushes don't happen from the website anymore, but are controlled by use through a small utility, written in python.22:23
nkinkadeI'll send an email to follow up in any case.22:24
paroneayeankinkade: yeah22:27
paroneayeaI'd be interested in looking at that22:27
nkinkadeparoneayea: I'll detail it in an email, which is probably better in this case.22:29
nkinkadeWe may need to be ready to shift pretty soon.  I think the may change the live site in the next or so.22:30
nyerglerjust want to reiterate (because i'm feeling cranky) how annoyed i am that they're dumping the version control model22:41
nyerglerit was definitely one of the features that put them over the edge in terms of selection22:41
nkinkadenyergler: It's still the version control model, but the pushing and pulling is just one via a server side script rather than on their web interface.22:42
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nkinkadeBefore, they would pull around once every 12 hours, and if you wanted it sooner you had to login and click a button in the web management interface, now we could, for example just set up a cron job of some sort.22:43
nyerglerthen i totally misunderstood; i thought they were going to version things internally, and provide a way to download the PO files22:43
nyerglerwill they still push directly into our repo when changes happen?22:43
nkinkadeAnd as far as pushing, the translator would have to click "Submit translations", which would take quite some time to return.22:43
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nkinkadeNow the translations will simply be submitted to their servers and we'll pull them. Though I do see what you mean about it not happening instantly after pressing a button.22:44
nkinkadenyergler: ^^22:44
nyerglerpull them using git?22:44
nyergleror using their own API?22:44
nkinkadenyergler: pulling them using a python utility called tx?22:45
nkinkadeeasy_install transifex-client.22:45
nyerglerso that doesn't sound like they're using the vc model anymore :)22:45
nkinkadenyergler: I guess you're right, at least not in the same sense as before.22:45
nyerglerwe chose tx because they supported git and svn directly, and we could integrate with our existing workflow22:45
nkinkadeBut they do provide the shim.22:45
nyerglernow they're basically in the same pool as launchpad, with a different set of trade-offs22:46
nyergler(ie, if this were the situation when we were evaluating, i can imagine having chosen lp over tx)22:46
nkinkadeBut I can see the advantage of them doing things this new way.  The old method required them to have access to every single repository, which could be a security issue, though possibly not huge.22:47
nkinkadeAnd really, from a user perspective, having to wait 30s to a 1m after every press of "Submit translations" isn't ideal.22:47
nkinkadeWe had that same issue with Pootle and pushing directly to our repo.22:48
nyerglerif there's a way for a version control user to obliterate history server side, then yes, it's a security hole (and that vcs should probably be abandoned)22:48
nyerglerso long as they maintain history, i wouldn't consider it a security hole22:48
nyerglerconcur that waiting isn't ideal, but i want it all :)22:48
nyergler(no waiting, direct vcs integration)22:48
nkinkadeNot security hole, but perhaps an inconvenience.22:48
nyergleranyway, we're not going to switch platforms, i just find it annoying22:49
nkinkadenyergler: But what we really wanted was no waiting, direct VCS integration, and direct deployment to staging, but we already didn't have the 3rd.22:49
nyerglerright; and now instead of 2/3 we have 1/3 ;)22:50
nkinkadeSo async. pushing to our repository doesn't seem like much of an issue, since we were already on the cronjob path anyway, due to the packaging of i18n.22:50
nkinkadeBut I'd still argue that transifex is preferable to LP because it's a translation platform, period, whereas LP was 10,000 we didn't want and 1 we did.22:51
nyergleri'm just grousing; i like having the history, and i like the idea that we could eventually get away from the cron job22:51
nyerglermaybe; my thought this past week is that we should have gone to LP for i18n + bugs + blue prints, since roundup isn't winning me over22:52
nkinkadenyergler: I bet if we bothered them they could implement some type of callback ... that when a user saves translations, it will ping some URL which could trigger a sync.22:52
nyerglerwoulda coulda shoulda22:52
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nyerglernkinkade: i don't want to ask for anything at this point; every time we go through that there's some awkward discussion of money22:52
nyergleri'm interested in minimizing those at the moment :)22:53
nkinkadeYeah, I've noticed that.  But they do showcase CC on their front page.22:53
nkinkadeAt least at the moment they do.22:53
nyerglergood for them -- they should definitely leverage our use of their platform that way22:53
nkinkadeYeah, roundup works, but is rather ... spartan.22:53
nyerglerfor some definition of "Works"22:54
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nkinkadeparoneayea: When was the last time you synced up "es" to staging for i18n?23:16
nkinkadeIs there a way to know that?23:16
paroneayeankinkade: cc.i18n-20101109230021-py2.5.egg23:17
paroneayeawe have it auto-syncing now23:17
paroneayeaevery 15 minutes23:17
paroneayeaor it should be23:17
nkinkadeparoneayea: Ah, cool! Thanks.23:18
nkinkadeparoneayea: so this URL: http://staging.creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/es/23:20
nkinkadeThat should be reflecting the content of the es/cc_org.po file, right?23:21
paroneayeankinkade: should be.23:21
nkinkadeparoneayea: I'm not 100% sure it is.23:22
nkinkadeLet me check more.23:22
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JED3mralex: http://creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?q_1=2&q_1=1&field_commercial=yes&field_derivatives=yes&field_jurisdiction=&field_format=&field_worktitle=&field_attribute_to_name=&field_attribute_to_url=&field_sourceurl=&field_morepermissionsurl=&lang=en_US&language=en_US&n_questions=323:51
JED3didnt you ask me yesterday to let you know when this was up, or am i imaging that?23:51
mralexJED3: i asked you to remove some css links, which you did :)23:51
JED3mralex: ahh thats right23:52
mralexi like the updated results page23:53

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