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| CC_Hudson | Project License RDF and Tools build (16): SUCCESS in 51 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/License%20RDF%20and%20Tools/16/ | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Stub pdmark RDF | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: New merged index.rdf | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Adding i18n title assertion for pdmark license rdf | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Ran Public Domain Mark through the translation machinery | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Fixing public domain mark URL and logo urls | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: license code pdmark->mark... nathan has declared it! | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Public Domain Mark has a version number now.. 1.0! ;p | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Using /p/mark/ instead of /l/mark/ for the logos. See conversation in | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Was missing dcq and foaf namespaces, hehhhhh | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: New merged index.rdf | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Moving publicdomain mark rdf to the right filename | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: This version of Public Domain Mark is 1.0 baby, let the world know | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Ran pdmark 1.0 through the translation machinery again | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: New merged index.rdf | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: New version number | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: /l/zero/ -> /p/zero/ ... see roundup 651. Icon timeline paradox... prevented! | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: New merged index.rdf | 15:31 |
| CC_Hudson | Project cc.license build (33): SUCCESS in 2 min 26 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/cc.license/33/ | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Early work on the Public Domain Mark formatter | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Adding tests for the pdmark formatter | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Removing old cc0 template garbage from pdmark.html | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Closer to a first passing test | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Fixed the expected output text so that it includes newlines. | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Wrote documentation for the other fields and added their extraction | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: clarified that waive_cc0 is expected to be a boolean. | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Public Domain Mark should actually be at | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: That old hack is no longer relevant and thus removed | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: we should be testing with the mark license here | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: license_info should be license_code here | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Switching out that KeyError handling for checking the dictionary, | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: We're going to put the pdmark logo under /p/, not /l/ | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Adjusting unit test to expect logo in /p/ rather than /l/ | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: norms_href and work_href both being axed | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Oh right, also gotta remove those fields from the template.render call! | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Put in msgids for the bodily text of the pdmark formatter | 15:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Forgot a close quote ;( | 15:36 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Whoops, forgot to add EXPECTED_PDMARK_CURATOR | 15:36 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Urg, EXPECTED_PDMARK_CURATOR -> EXPECTED_PDMARK_CURATOR_NOLINK | 15:36 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Corrected the test for EXPECTED_PDMARK_CURATOR_NOLINK | 15:36 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: [_:curator] should be [_:publisher] | 15:36 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Accidental space inserted there. | 15:36 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: A buildout config to prevent all the errors on hudson.. | 15:36 |
| CC_Hudson | * Nathan R. Yergler: Removing duplicated lines; we extend the main buildout.cfg. | 15:36 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: We're not using Jinja2 for PDM anymore.. | 15:36 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Free of copyright -> free of known copyright | 15:36 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Changing creator->author and {author|curator}->{author|curator}_title | 15:36 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: New development version number | 15:36 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Adding a colon here per Roundup 135 | 15:36 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Adding a colon here per Roundup 135 | 15:36 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: New development version # | 15:36 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Merged pdmark, new version number | 15:36 |
| paroneayea | whew look at all dem commits | 15:37 |
| CC_Hudson | Project cc.license build (34): SUCCESS in 1 min 47 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/cc.license/34/ | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Early work on the Public Domain Mark formatter | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Adding tests for the pdmark formatter | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Removing old cc0 template garbage from pdmark.html | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Closer to a first passing test | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Fixed the expected output text so that it includes newlines. | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Wrote documentation for the other fields and added their extraction | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: clarified that waive_cc0 is expected to be a boolean. | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Public Domain Mark should actually be at | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: That old hack is no longer relevant and thus removed | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: we should be testing with the mark license here | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: license_info should be license_code here | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Switching out that KeyError handling for checking the dictionary, | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: We're going to put the pdmark logo under /p/, not /l/ | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Adjusting unit test to expect logo in /p/ rather than /l/ | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: norms_href and work_href both being axed | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Oh right, also gotta remove those fields from the template.render call! | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Put in msgids for the bodily text of the pdmark formatter | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Tests for creator and curator, with, without, and only with, links | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Forgot a close quote ;( | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Whoops, forgot to add EXPECTED_PDMARK_CURATOR | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Urg, EXPECTED_PDMARK_CURATOR -> EXPECTED_PDMARK_CURATOR_NOLINK | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Corrected the test for EXPECTED_PDMARK_CURATOR_NOLINK | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: [_:curator] should be [_:publisher] | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Accidental space inserted there. | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: A buildout config to prevent all the errors on hudson.. | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Nathan R. Yergler: Install coverage along with our egg. | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Nathan R. Yergler: Ignore coverage and test report files. | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Nathan R. Yergler: A basic buildout.devel.cfg for master. | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Nathan R. Yergler: Removing duplicated lines; we extend the main buildout.cfg. | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: We're not using Jinja2 for PDM anymore.. | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Free of copyright -> free of known copyright | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Changing creator->author and {author|curator}->{author|curator}_title | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: New development version number | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Adding a colon here per Roundup 135 | 15:38 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Adding a colon here per Roundup 135 | 15:38 |
| nkinkade | My god CC_Hudson is the most annoying thing ever ... not only does it flood email messages, but also pollutes #cc. | 15:39 |
| greg-g | :) transparency, nkinkade, its called "transparency" not "pollution" | 15:47 |
| paroneayea | it's more semi-transparent pollution | 15:48 |
| paroneayea | a smog, of sorts | 15:48 |
| nkinkade | Transparency? To who? All 33 people who hang out in #cc? Our git and subversion repositories are public and much more complete than these useless messages posted #cc. | 15:50 |
| paroneayea | it actually would be pretty nice if CC_Hudson only reported when a build failed | 15:51 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: I was joking :) | 15:51 |
| greg-g | paroneayea++ | 15:51 |
| nkinkade | ;-) | 15:51 |
| paroneayea | anyway, I'm about to merge the cc.engine pdmark branch and push it | 15:51 |
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| paroneayea | the worst is yet to come! ;D | 15:51 |
| nkinkade | I'm mostly just playing my well defined role of curmudgeon. | 15:51 |
| greg-g | :) | 15:52 |
| nkinkade | But I'm not lying when I say those commit messages are annoying, distract from actual conversations in #cc, and are generally worthless to just about everyone. | 15:52 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: ^^^^ see this conversation when you get online :) | 15:52 |
| nkinkade | We already get them at cc-commits@ via email, and anyone can view them at code.CC.org. | 15:52 |
| nkinkade | If someone can tell me one instance where a commit message posted to #cc made the difference between something working and not working, or the difference between a grave error being discovered and it not, then I won't say another word about it. | 15:54 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: I still contend that CC_Hudson would be immensely helpful if it only spoke when builds failed in #cc. | 15:54 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: That makes good sense to me. | 15:54 |
| nkinkade | And I agree fully. | 15:54 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: well, no in #cc, but I every now and then read the cc-commits mail and caught an error in a license text change that could have been bad | 15:55 |
| greg-g | not* in | 15:55 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: Right, but I'm talking about messages to #cc, not the emails. :-) | 15:55 |
| greg-g | yeah yeah, just saying :) | 15:55 |
| nkinkade | And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? | 15:55 |
| nkinkade | ;-) | 15:56 |
| greg-g | maybe push hudson into #cc-commits ;) | 15:56 |
| nkinkade | Just more pollution, if you ask me. :-) | 15:56 |
| greg-g | :) | 15:56 |
| greg-g | and on that note, time for lunch! | 15:56 |
| * greg-g waves | 15:56 | |
| * paroneayea waves back | 15:56 | |
| * greg-g agress with paroneayea and nkinkade, for the record | 15:56 | |
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| nkinkade | Just to be sure, it's not *that* big a deal, but I happened to be looking at #cc when a barrage of 50+ messages spewed into the channel, and it prompted me to comment. | 15:58 |
| paroneayea | tru enuf | 15:58 |
| paroneayea | now brace yourself for another 200 :) | 15:58 |
| paroneayea | I just merged pdmark in cc.engine! | 15:58 |
| CC_Hudson | Project cc.engine build (162): SUCCESS in 7 min 31 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/cc.engine/162/ | 16:02 |
| CC_Hudson | Christopher Allan Webber: Als9o apply that new deprecation phrasing to devnations_deed.pt | 16:02 |
| paroneayea | als9o | 16:03 |
| paroneayea | learn to spell, cwebber | 16:03 |
| paroneayea | LOLLLL | 16:03 |
| CC_Hudson | Project cc.engine build (163): SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/cc.engine/163/ | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Early version of the pdmark chooser landing | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Adding zope.pagetemplate to setup.py (no longer a dependency in cc.license) | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Template for the Public Domain Mark landing page | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Early version of pdmark results page. Still has some cc0 stuff left in it. | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: license code for public domain mark has gone from pdmark -> mark | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: pdmark results template updated to show the right (but currently nonexistant) logos | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Yikes, that extra form shouldn't have been there | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: This one either! | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Removing norms url and work url fields based on bugtracker / email conversations | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Changing "your work" to "the marked work" in the (i) button | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Added slightly-modified-from-cc0 metadata lead-in text, per diane's email | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Alex Robert's pdmark mockup, without really any modifications. We'll | 16:08 |
| paroneayea | oh here we go | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Trying to make this more like an actually extensible template | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Some progress toward rendering the pdmark deed, though not rendering yet | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Finally cleaned up this file so that it's semi-sort-of-valid-xml. | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Some of the resources display! Things are starting to be pretty! | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: PDMark and CC0 using the same base template? HELLLLS YEAH | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Add ccREL stuff at bottom of pdmark_deed.pt, as in zero_deed.pt | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: You use this tool at /choose/mark/ | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Adding labels for the different sections of the pdmark chooser | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Removing the waive-under-cc0 bit from the chooser | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Simple docstrings for the Public Domain Mark chooser views | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Docstring for deed view | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Added some comments for readability to the main deed view | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Reproduced the generic view tests as simple JSON | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: JSON files use double quotes, not single... right | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Switched testing code over to using the json file | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Now we're able to test for strings in the body of a response! | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Adding data for testing PDM deed. | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Removing the extra comma and newline which broke the json parser | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Test against the unicode body of the response | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: String tests for public domain mark chooser | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Extended tests for chooser for when all fields filled out | 16:08 |
| paroneayea | commit party all up in here | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Fixing templates: just creator and curator, not creator_name & curator_name | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Urp, accidentally changed the translation strings instead of the input | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: We were missing a close </div> | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Not sure why we're having such terrible spacing issues... trying adding a <br /> here... | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Removing the re import; unused | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Make the test variable generic, might as well just set one variable to | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Some mailbox test machinery and documentation. | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Updating send_email to populate test inboxes; adding some more docs | 16:08 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Moved _activate_testing() out of ZPT testing area | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: self needs to be first argument of sendmail method, doh | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Tests for util.send_email(). | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: call util._clear_test_inboxes at *start* of fucntion | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: license_title, not license_name | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Test for util.send_license_info_email | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: The id of this route was a duplicate, and also wrong. | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Converted all the relevant views to use util.send_license_info_email | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: We won't have an email subscription option for Public Domain Mark. | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: successful_send is returned by util.send_license_info_email, so.. | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Require simplejson, since we'll need it in non-py2.6 environments | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: license.title should be license.title(target_lang) | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Updating deed.zero.patent per alex's mockups | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: No endorsement text, and also publicity rights -> other rights | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Namespacing these other_info blocks of text | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Accidentally removed a <ul> | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Added the "no warranty" other info helptext | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Adding the endorsement popup | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Updating the css style for the other-information header | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Added the last paragraph to the CC0 deed disclaimer | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Changing the order of the 2nd and 3rd other info bullets | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Changing disclaimer bullet text per diane's email | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Change to pop-up disclaimer text based on diane's email | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: target_lang wasn't being passed into publicdomain_result, page wasn't | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: help_rights_help stuff seems to be historical, removing | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: work details block | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Changing anchors->spans (some meta details may be w/o link) and moving ids to the spans | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Display:none on work details div | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Added the norms and CC0 bits | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: The pdtool deeds use pddeed.js | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Removing the paragraph elements at Doig's request | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Throwing an id on the work details title | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Changing helptext for affirmer per diane's email | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Deleting learn more link in affirmer per diane's email | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Goodbye CC0 (on PDM), we'll miss you | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: adding these separation divs per nathan's suggestion to fix the header-overlap-problem-thing | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Moved what *was* the index (form) of pdmark to /choose/mark/details | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Adding the /choose/mark intro page | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Nathan R. Yergler: Added buildout.devel.cfg so master will build on Hudson. | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Nathan R. Yergler: Install coverage during buildout. | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Changes to /publicdomain/ per diane's document | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Mark intro text paragraphs on /choose/mark/ for translation | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Textual changes to /choose/ re: diane's doc | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Bold the fact that this isn't a registration process. It isn't! | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: "free of copyright" -> "free of known copyright" | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Removing "Translations" link at top of deeds, per mike's request | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Changing your->you hedre per diane's email | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Removing phrase "if more than one", per diane's email | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: PDDC: now retired (and spending its days relaxing on a beach in Florida) | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Oops, forgot to close this <h3> | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: REVERTME POSTLAUNCH: temporarily removing the msgids on deed.retired | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: We've retired the Publicdomain Certification! Let chooser users know! | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: New deprecation phrasing | 16:09 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Als9o apply that new deprecation phrasing to devnations_deed.pt | 16:10 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: New version number, pdmark merge! | 16:10 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: CC_Hudson noisy, I don't know what you're talking about | 16:10 |
| nyergler | JHFC, just ask nicely and i'll make it only report failures | 16:10 |
| paroneayea | :D | 16:10 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: have you merged cc.license yet? | 16:11 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: yes | 16:11 |
| nyergler | (and licenserdf, IIRC) | 16:11 |
| paroneayea | and yes | 16:11 |
| nyergler | b | 16:11 |
| paroneayea | b⍢d | 16:11 |
| paroneayea | two thumbs up | 16:11 |
| nyergler | db | 16:12 |
| nyergler | thumb up fist bump | 16:12 |
| paroneayea | ⍢db⍢ | 16:12 |
| paroneayea | \⍢db⍢/ | 16:12 |
| nyergler | Hudson will now only report failures and subsequent fixes to IRC | 16:13 |
| paroneayea | ㎭ 2 thumbs up b益d | 16:13 |
| paroneayea | yay | 16:13 |
| paroneayea | thx nyergler ! | 16:14 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: am I clear for go-live then? | 16:14 |
| paroneayea | JED3: your js stuff is done? | 16:14 |
| paroneayea | and committed and stuff | 16:14 |
| nyergler | I think deedscraper needs merged, deployed, right? | 16:15 |
| nyergler | regardless, we should be able to go live and just not have deed scraping at the moment | 16:15 |
| nyergler | let me look @ the checklist | 16:15 |
| paroneayea | Ꙩ◦Ꙩ ~♪ | 16:15 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: have you or nkinkade merged the assets into trunk for ccwordpress? | 16:15 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade did | 16:16 |
| nyergler | (i know i saw them committed yesterday, not sure if they were merged) | 16:16 |
| paroneayea | oh | 16:16 |
| paroneayea | merged, I dunno! | 16:16 |
| paroneayea | I don't know the process for that | 16:16 |
| paroneayea | you know I don't think I've ever done an svn branch merge | 16:16 |
| nyergler | :) | 16:16 |
| nyergler | we use svnmerge, which makes life much better (IMO) | 16:16 |
| nyergler | i'll check | 16:16 |
| nyergler | looks like that's just in trunk | 16:17 |
| paroneayea | ⑆ | 16:17 |
| nyergler | nkinkade: if you're around and able to merge that to production, that'd be great; i'm updating my working copy now | 16:18 |
| nyergler | so i can if you're busy | 16:18 |
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| * nyergler is still running svn up | 16:24 | |
| nyergler | <paroneayea> als9o | 16:29 |
| nyergler | <paroneayea> learn to spell, cwebber | 16:29 |
| nyergler | isn't that spelled with a silent "9"? | 16:29 |
| paroneayea | :) | 16:29 |
| paroneayea | oh right | 16:29 |
| paroneayea | I should lay off teh cwebbers | 16:29 |
| nyergler | i don't know, if you lay off he'll probably just slack off | 16:29 |
| nyergler | ;) | 16:29 |
| paroneayea | yeah, that guy... | 16:30 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: paroneayea: Yeah, I can merge that commit to production from yesterday ... should I go ahead with that right now? | 16:34 |
| nyergler | nkinkade: yes, please | 16:34 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: did you see mlinksva's email re: use guidelines icon? | 16:35 |
| nyergler | (~10 minutes ago) | 16:35 |
| paroneayea | nope, fetching mail now | 16:35 |
| nyergler | two questions: | 16:35 |
| nyergler | * where did that file wind up (I didn't see it in the assets commit) | 16:36 |
| nyergler | * is it named appropriately? :) | 16:36 |
| paroneayea | I don't know what file we're referring to yet, but my mail is spamassassin-processing as we speak :) | 16:36 |
| nyergler | the check-mark icon for usage guidelines | 16:37 |
| paroneayea | oic | 16:38 |
| paroneayea | well it is there | 16:39 |
| paroneayea | http://staging.creativecommons.org/images/deed/norms-small.png | 16:40 |
| paroneayea | there's also http://staging.creativecommons.org/images/deed/norms.png but I think that's unused | 16:40 |
| paroneayea | what *should* it be called? | 16:40 |
| paroneayea | usage-guidelines-small.png? | 16:40 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: that sounds great | 16:42 |
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| nyergler | probably needs to be changed in either the javascript or template as well | 16:43 |
| nyergler | if it's not obvious, JED3 can do that before we deploy the new scraper (since that'll only be visible once the new scraper is up) | 16:43 |
| paroneayea | I think it's just the CSS | 16:50 |
| paroneayea | or are we changing *all* use of the word "norm" | 16:50 |
| paroneayea | not just that image | 16:50 |
| nyergler | where else does it show up? | 16:50 |
| * nyergler is amazed an svn up can take so long | 16:51 | |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: There are conflicts in the merge of this file: www/includes/deed3.css | 16:53 |
| nkinkade | I'm not sure how to resolve them. | 16:53 |
| nkinkade | Would you like for me to send you the file so that you can resolve the conflicts, then send the file back to me? | 16:54 |
| paroneayea | sure | 16:54 |
| paroneayea | I'll ediff it | 16:54 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: I just emailed it to you. | 16:56 |
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| nyergler | paroneayea: if there are places "norms" appears that we can quickly correct to "usage-guidelines" or "guidelines", that'd be best | 17:03 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: nkinkade: i'm heading into a meeting, unfortunately | 17:03 |
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| nyergler | paroneayea: i think you know what needs to be done to move the deployment forward -- once the assets are taken care of (including the icon), and eggs are built and in the basket, | 17:04 |
| nyergler | should be good to push chooser + PDM out | 17:04 |
| nyergler | call my cell if you need me (don't worry about interrupting) | 17:04 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: yeah... I'm "on lunch" but I think I have all I need from you now to start pushing out once I get back | 17:10 |
| paroneayea | thx! | 17:11 |
| nyergler | b | 17:13 |
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| nyergler | JED3: can you go ahead and merge deedscraper and deploy? | 18:05 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: not sure if you're still @ lunch, did you figure out the deed css merge? | 18:05 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: I just got back | 18:05 |
| paroneayea | so working on it now :) | 18:06 |
| JED3 | nyergler: sure thing | 18:06 |
| nyergler | b | 18:06 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: are there pdm eggs available yet? | 18:14 |
| JED3 | ...for cc.license and license.rdf | 18:15 |
| paroneayea | JED3: yes | 18:15 |
| paroneayea | in fact they are now in the normal basket | 18:15 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: rad thx | 18:15 |
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| paroneayea | argh :( | 18:32 |
| paroneayea | brb. | 18:32 |
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| akozak | paroneayea, do you have a favorite monospace font? | 18:44 |
| akozak | JED3, same ^^ | 18:44 |
| akozak | and mralex ^^ | 18:44 |
| akozak | hah sorry I picked a bad day to ask | 18:45 |
| JED3 | nyergler: launched pdm deedscraper | 18:46 |
| nyergler | JED3: great | 18:46 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: status check? | 18:46 |
| nyergler | JED3: if things are merged, please delete the pdmark branch on code.cc.org | 18:47 |
| JED3 | nyergler: will do | 18:47 |
| nyergler | JED3: also, if we're still using the phrase "norms", we'd like to replace that with "usage guidelines" or "guidelines" | 18:47 |
| JED3 | akozak: inconsolata, monaco, and droid sans mono | 18:47 |
| nyergler | (sorry) | 18:47 |
| nyergler | akozak: inconsolata ftw | 18:47 |
| mralex | akozak: what JED3 said. Mostly Monaco since i'm a mac user ;) | 18:47 |
| JED3 | nyergler: it uses "norms" in the response dict | 18:48 |
| JED3 | does that matter though? | 18:48 |
| nyergler | sigh | 18:48 |
| nyergler | if it's an easy fix, we'd like to replace :/ | 18:48 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: ediff broke on my machine temporarily, had to restart emacs and get my beast of a set up working again, but... deed css merged | 18:50 |
| paroneayea | I'll get to removing the pdmark branches in a few, took a note | 18:50 |
| nyergler | b | 18:50 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: branch removal is not at all urgent, would just like to keep those cleaned up | 18:51 |
| nyergler | more interested in getting new chooser, deeds launched | 18:51 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: basically, I looked at the file's differences | 18:52 |
| paroneayea | pretty much, just copy over and check in from staging.creativecommons.org:/var/www/staging.creativecommons.org/www/includes/deed3.css | 18:52 |
| paroneayea | it's going to be that file verbatim anyway | 18:52 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: No need to do that, as svn resolve has the option to just use "theirs-full" | 18:53 |
| paroneayea | do that one then! :) | 18:53 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Just so you know, should you need it in the future you can do it like: | 18:55 |
| nkinkade | $ svn resovle --accept theirs-full <some conflicted file> | 18:55 |
| nkinkade | and svn help resolve will give you some other common scenarios for --accept | 18:56 |
| paroneayea | noted in my notes file | 18:56 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: r14701 is the commit of that changeset to branches/production | 18:56 |
| nyergler | JED3: http://labs.creativecommons.org/~nathan/info/decoupling.html | 18:57 |
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| nkinkade | I just learned something new ... fragment URLs will direct to a tag id, and not just <a name=''/>, as I thought before. | 19:02 |
| nkinkade | I suppose that's old news, but new for me. | 19:02 |
| nyergler | nkinkade: i did not know that either | 19:08 |
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| nkinkade | It's how the links at the top of /about/opportunities link to the sections of the page. | 19:10 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: yo | 19:14 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Hey. | 19:14 |
| paroneayea | http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/272823/ (prettyish: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/272823/) | 19:15 |
| paroneayea | could you apply that diff to deed3.css | 19:15 |
| paroneayea | and also | 19:15 |
| paroneayea | cd images/deed | 19:15 |
| paroneayea | svn mv norms.png usage-guidelines.png | 19:15 |
| paroneayea | svn mv norms-small.png usage-guidelines-small.png | 19:15 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I can do those things, but what's stopping you from doing them? | 19:16 |
| paroneayea | that I have to do an svn checkout :) | 19:17 |
| paroneayea | I can do them | 19:17 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I'll do them here, but meanwhile, get yourself a checkout of ccwordpress. :_) | 19:17 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 19:17 |
| paroneayea | ok, doing so! :) | 19:18 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: http://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn/ccwordpress/trunk/www/includes/deed3.css?r1=14702&r2=14701&pathrev=14702 | 19:21 |
| nkinkade | Is that right? | 19:21 |
| paroneayea | yup | 19:21 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Shall I merge those changes to production, or do you want me to pull them down on staging first? | 19:23 |
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| paroneayea | hm | 19:23 |
| paroneayea | pull them down on staging, just so we can double check | 19:24 |
| paroneayea | then it's golive time :D | 19:24 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Done. Check it on staging and let me know. | 19:25 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: looks grood | 19:40 |
| paroneayea | update on production! | 19:40 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Ugh. I got 2 tree conflicts when I merged. | 19:46 |
| paroneayea | urrrrrrrrrrrk :( | 19:46 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: This is the error: > local delete, incoming delete upon merge | 19:49 |
| nkinkade | Was norms.png already in production at one point? | 19:50 |
| greg-g | paroneayea: Ride of the Valkyries it is then! | 19:52 |
| nyergler | what's the path to that norms.png? | 19:52 |
| paroneayea | greg-g: :D | 19:53 |
| paroneayea | ohh | 19:53 |
| paroneayea | maybe norms.png shouldn't be moved! | 19:53 |
| nkinkade | www/images/deed/norms.png | 19:53 |
| paroneayea | shoot | 19:53 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: well only norms-small.png really "needed" to be renamed, so could you move that one back maybe? | 19:54 |
| nyergler | it looks like that file is already deleted | 19:54 |
| paroneayea | oh! | 19:54 |
| paroneayea | well okay | 19:54 |
| nyergler | http://creativecommons.org/images/deed/norms.png | 19:54 |
| nyergler | 404 | 19:54 |
| nyergler | if it's not in svn i say kill it | 19:54 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: paroneayea: So I should just resolve the conflict by forcing subversion to remove both norms.png and norms-small.png from production fully? | 19:58 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: yes. | 19:58 |
| nkinkade | So did this conflict arise because at some point someone svn rm'd those files from production, but had left them in staging? | 19:59 |
| paroneayea | maybe | 19:59 |
| paroneayea | also it could be that they got *added* in staging. | 19:59 |
| paroneayea | since I copied in a whole bunch of files from alex's mockups directory. | 20:00 |
| paroneayea | but I dunno | 20:00 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: let me know when it's safe to begin buildout | 20:00 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I just pushed the merge to production. You can now svn up production and do whatever you need to do. | 20:01 |
| paroneayea | yay, thx nkinkade | 20:02 |
| paroneayea | Fetching external item into 'includes/referrer' | 20:02 |
| paroneayea | svn: Failed to add directory 'includes/referrer/javascript/src': an unversioned directory of the | 20:02 |
| paroneayea | same name already exists | 20:02 |
| paroneayea | ?? | 20:02 |
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| paroneayea | nyergler: JED3: ^^^^ | 20:03 |
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| nyergler | paroneayea: just move the src directory out of the way -- src.old or something | 20:03 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: shizer, that svn:external needs to be removed as well | 20:04 |
| paroneayea | svn upped!! building out!! | 20:05 |
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| paroneayea | :( | 20:08 |
| paroneayea | well, it upgraded and reloaded okay | 20:08 |
| paroneayea | but the assets don't appear to be there? | 20:08 |
| paroneayea | http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/mark/1.0/ | 20:08 |
| paroneayea | http://creativecommons.org/images/deed/deed-head-grey.png four oh four | 20:09 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: ^^ ? | 20:10 |
| paroneayea | oh hurm | 20:11 |
| nkinkade | Looks like among other things pddeed.js is getting a 404 as well. | 20:12 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: it looks like it's not there http://code.creativecommons.org/svnroot/ccwordpress/branches/production/www/images/deed/ | 20:12 |
| nyergler | isn't pddeed.js part of scraper, JED3? | 20:12 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I never touched those files. | 20:12 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: it should have merged in when you merged the stuff from staging into the production branch... | 20:13 |
| nkinkade | The only thing you had me do was to apply a patch to deed3.css and svn move a couple files. | 20:13 |
| paroneayea | oh | 20:13 |
| nkinkade | Oh, that is, today, I mean. | 20:13 |
| paroneayea | I thought you also did an svnmerge from trunk->production | 20:13 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I merged the commit I made yesterday, and nothing more. | 20:13 |
| nkinkade | r14700 | 20:13 |
| paroneayea | I'm confused :( | 20:14 |
| nkinkade | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn?view=rev&revision=14701 | 20:15 |
| paroneayea | hrm | 20:15 |
| paroneayea | well basically | 20:15 |
| nkinkade | I committed all outstanding changes to trunk, as you specified, which was r14700 ... then today I merged that commit to production, which resulted in r14701 | 20:15 |
| paroneayea | there are a whole bunch of new files that are in staging's www/, and they aren't in production's | 20:15 |
| paroneayea | I don't know how svnmerge works :\ | 20:16 |
| paroneayea | my entire concept of merging is based on git... I figured all those files would get pulled in automatically | 20:16 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: It's possible that mralex added those image files in earlier commits. | 20:16 |
| paroneayea | yes, they were added in earlier commits | 20:16 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: We don't do wholesale merges with svn, but launch something on trunk, then merge specific commits. | 20:17 |
| nkinkade | If you want some specific commits, or a range of them, just let me know which and I'll merge them. | 20:17 |
| nkinkade | svnmerge in this case is something like cherry-pick. | 20:17 |
| paroneayea | arg | 20:17 |
| paroneayea | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn/ccwordpress/trunk/www/images/deed/deed-foot-grey.png?revision=14666&view=markup that commit at the very least needs to be merged | 20:18 |
| paroneayea | 14666 | 20:18 |
| nkinkade | The reason we don't do a wholesale merge of all changes/commits is that there may be things in staging that we don't want on production. | 20:18 |
| nyergler | let me look @ the commit list | 20:18 |
| paroneayea | I think that's the only one | 20:18 |
| paroneayea | ok | 20:18 |
| nyergler | or try that one :) | 20:18 |
| nkinkade | I'll try that one. | 20:18 |
| nkinkade | Damn ... merging caused a conflict in deed3.css. | 20:19 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I think you'll need to take a look at it. | 20:19 |
| nkinkade | There must have been changes to deed3.css in 14666. | 20:20 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: doesn't matter, because you can just use deed3.css from staging as-is | 20:20 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Okay, I'll just use the one on staging. | 20:20 |
| paroneayea | (the one currently on staging that is) | 20:21 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Done. 14666 is now merge to production. | 20:21 |
| nkinkade | Try to svn up and buildout again. | 20:22 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: nyergler: http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/mark/1.0/ :) | 20:24 |
| nkinkade | Or I guess buildout isn't necessary with just images. | 20:24 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: nyergler: Is it looking good now? | 20:25 |
| paroneayea | yup! | 20:25 |
| nyergler | i think so | 20:25 |
| JED3 | awesome | 20:26 |
| JED3 | scraping working as well http://labs.creativecommons.org/~nathan/tests/pdm/monalisa-staging.html | 20:26 |
| paroneayea | :D | 20:27 |
| paroneayea | hey JED3 | 20:27 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: hey paroneayea | 20:27 |
| nkinkade | The language links at the bottom are about useless. :-) | 20:27 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: yes they are ;) | 20:27 |
| paroneayea | but translations aren't out yet yadda yadda | 20:27 |
| paroneayea | when I tried svn'ing up it complained that includes/referrer existed and was a non-directory | 20:27 |
| paroneayea | looks like it's a symlink | 20:27 |
| paroneayea | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 2010-10-08 15:22 referrer -> ../../deedscraper/javascript/ | 20:28 |
| paroneayea | 20:28 | |
| JED3 | http://creativecommons.org/about/mark | 20:28 |
| paroneayea | should I care? | 20:28 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: nope | 20:28 |
| paroneayea | ok, I won't! | 20:28 |
| JED3 | however if you could delete the svn:external for metadata_scraper thatd be fantastic | 20:28 |
| paroneayea | I don't know how to do that | 20:29 |
| paroneayea | I don't know anything about you people and your essveeyenn exksternahls | 20:30 |
| JED3 | haha okay, i'll do it real quick | 20:30 |
| nyergler | JED3: /about/mark is published | 20:31 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: is it? | 20:31 |
| paroneayea | The page you were looking for was not found. | 20:31 |
| JED3 | yeah getting a 404 here | 20:31 |
| nyergler | oh | 20:31 |
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| nyergler | looks like it has the slug /about/pdm | 20:31 |
| nyergler | i wonder where else we have /about/mark, and which it makes sense to change | 20:32 |
| nyergler | checking in with DP | 20:32 |
| paroneayea | just pdmark/index.pt as far as the engine goes | 20:33 |
| paroneayea | I can change that fast | 20:33 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: please change /about/mark links to /about/pdm | 20:42 |
| nyergler | thanks | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Do you feel that the PDM stuff is all under control in terms of ways that I might be needed? | 20:47 |
| nkinkade | I'd like to go to a 5 o'clock yoga class that I've recently started attending. | 20:47 |
| nkinkade | Just making sure that the fires are out, and that nothing critical will be needed in the next 1.5 hours. | 20:48 |
| nyergler | nkinkade: i think we're in good shape, thank | 20:48 |
| nyergler | s | 20:48 |
| nkinkade | Cool. | 20:48 |
| nkinkade | JED3: With the i.CC.net stuff, are you set? | 20:48 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: yes, i think so, thanks | 20:49 |
| nkinkade | I suspect that you can 1) Add it as a ServerAlias of CC.net 2) Set up the redirect in CC.net 3) Disable the old i.CC.net vhost with a2dissite 4) reload Apache | 20:49 |
| nkinkade | Or something along those lines, but I you seem to have it in hand anyway. | 20:49 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: yeah | 20:52 |
| paroneayea | I think everything's good also | 20:52 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: updated the link | 20:55 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: great | 20:55 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: are you sure this wont require a separate vhost? the issue with only adding it as a serveralias is that i'm unable to configure the redirect to only happen for that specific URI (http://i.creativecommons.net/p/username) I need to match that pattern only for that subdomain and dont want to be redirecting support.cc.org/p/username or cc.net/p/username | 21:01 |
| JED3 | not that those redirects will harm anything, but i'd rather not support them | 21:02 |
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| nyergler | JED3: i thought you could do a RewriteCond to test for the hostname | 21:04 |
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| nyergler | ok, the namespace document has been updated with cc:useGuidelines | 21:07 |
| JED3 | nyergler: yeah, but i was thinking that wouldn't be possible after the http to https redirect, never thought of putting the rule prior to that one though, doh | 21:10 |
| JED3 | nyergler: nkinkade: thanks, working now | 21:10 |
| nyergler | awesome | 21:10 |
| JED3 | nyergler: just so that i'm clear, we will *not* be including useGuidelines in the marking html, correct? | 21:14 |
| nyergler | JED3: correct | 21:15 |
| JED3 | mralex: FYI i am going to uninstall the pathauto module on cc.net | 21:30 |
| JED3 | because it is a total pita | 21:30 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: one more minor tweak | 21:38 |
| nyergler | "learn more" under PDM on http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/ should go to http://creativecommons.org/about/pdm | 21:39 |
| paroneayea | indeed it should! | 21:41 |
| nyergler | :) | 21:42 |
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| nyergler | paroneayea: JED3: thanks for the hard work with the launch today | 22:57 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: np! I'm glad it went smoothly | 22:57 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: i'm going to open a ticket for i18n-ification, that should probably be high on your list next week | 22:57 |
| JED3 | nyergler: no prob! glad its out the door! | 22:57 |
| paroneayea | kk | 22:58 |
| JED3 | ...well mostly at least | 22:58 |
| nyergler | it'd be good to have that available for translation when i'm on stage a week from today | 22:58 |
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| nyergler | paroneayea: JED3: also, please take a look @ pdmark issues in Roundup and close as appropriate | 23:05 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: ok.. if only translation things are left for a ticket, should they be closed? | 23:20 |
| paroneayea | should I make a translation extraction ticket? | 23:20 |
| paroneayea | and close all the other stray ones I've left open for translation reasons | 23:21 |
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| nyergler | paroneayea: i'll leave that up to you | 23:53 |
| nyergler | maybe let me know what you decide | 23:59 |
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