Tuesday, 2010-08-31

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MaurizioBHello, I'm going to release a (by-nc-nd) slideshow with music extracted from a concert. We are going to deposit the complete music parts for future commercial release, is there any incompatibility with the license?00:50
luisvMaurizioB: if you're the copyright holder, you can do both00:52
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MaurizioBluisv: really?00:58
luisvMaurizioB: whoever is doing your commercial release may not like it00:58
luisv(they might not want to compete with the music in the slideshow)00:58
luisv(I guess)00:58
MaurizioB(this is not a problem, for this moment, since we're still going to record in studio and we are far away from a complete product)00:59
MaurizioBmy doubt is just about license compatibility00:59
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luisvin what sense?01:00
MaurizioBwe live in Italy and here there's a terrible copyright system, which is totally under a single society01:01
MaurizioB(sorry for my terrible english, I'm really tired also...)01:01
MaurizioBdeposit of an artistic production is possible only via this monopolistic society, and their regulation is actually not compatible with cc01:03
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luisvMaurizioB: sorry, I had to get on the train02:58
luisvMaurizioB: ah, I had forgotten about the collecting societies02:58
luisvMaurizioB: you would really want to find someone familiar with CC and italian copyright law02:58
luisvI am definitely not that person, sorry :/02:58
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CC_HudsonChristopher Allan Webber: We're using the language_javascript macro, so no need to duplicate that here14:26
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paroneayeasave me mralex, ur my only hope: http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue642 ;o16:53
mralexbeep boop boop16:54
mralexgo with the new, i did indeed bump font sizes up a bit16:54
paroneayeaah okay :D16:54
paroneayeamralex: could you please incorporate graphic design like this into our CC materials: http://lovestarrecords.com/web/images/Paradim_Shift_Cover_29.jpg16:57
mralexi would, but i only go to the fourth dimension16:57
mralexhypercube! and away!16:58
mralexplease tell me the starbaby is cc licensed16:58
paroneayeaI dont believe it is, unfortunately16:58
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akozakmy god, its full of stars17:37
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CC_HudsonYippie, build fixed!19:39
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CC_HudsonChristopher Allan Webber: We're no longer keeping the sidebar international dropdown.19:39
paroneayeanyergler: it's a super small diff but http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit/cc.engine.git/commit/?id=a4e3db9bdbe70489303c4b47c03a8efce1ffcdbf19:42
paroneayeajust double check that's right before I push to live?19:42
greg-gI love how Hudson says "Yippie"19:45
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nyerglerparoneayea, yes, thumbs up20:18
paroneayeanyergler: cool20:19
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paroneayeahttp://creativecommons.org/choose/ done20:22
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paroneayeanyergler: yearly review still on in 8 minutes? ;o20:23
paroneayeaconf line #2 I'm guessing?20:24
nyerglerparoneayea, sure, waiting on jen to return20:26
nyergleri can ping when she's back (should be about on time)20:26
paroneayeanyergler: k, sounds good20:26
nyerglerparoneayea, back, calling #2 momentarily20:31
paroneayeanyergler: kk, me too20:33
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CC_Hudson* Nathan Kinkade: Removed es_ES.  One, because the text label at Transifex.net is wrong, and two, because CC Spain is interested in participating in the Spanish consolidation, so es_ES won't be necessary, probably.21:53
CC_Hudson* Nathan Kinkade: Renamed ast_ES to ast, as we're not likely to need a Spain-specific locale for that language.21:53
CC_Hudson* Nathan Kinkade: Renamed lang.ast_ES to lang.ast, then ran sync and po2cc.21:53
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nkinkadenyergler: paroneayea: Was not pinning a jurisdiction selection at /choose to a specific language a conscious one?22:03
nkinkadeI seem to recall that in the old cc.engine selecting a jurisdiction would reload the page with the default lang for that jurisdiciton.22:04
nkinkadeOr at the very least if accessed with ?jurisdiction=xx, it would load in that juris. default lang.22:05
nyerglernkinkade, you mean it'd reload based on jurisdiction changes?22:05
nkinkadenyergler: ^^^22:05
nyergleri don't think it ever reloaded22:05
nyergleri think that it would default to the jurisdiction's default language22:05
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nkinkadenyergler: That doesn't seem to be the case any longer.22:05
nyergleri can't remember at the moment... i seem to remember some conversation about just doing language negotiation22:06
nkinkadeNot sure if that matters, but Ignasi from CC Spain called it out.22:06
nyerglernkinkade, i'm having trouble remembering the specifics...22:06
nkinkadeIt merely means that anyone linking to /choose and wanting a particular lang will need to specify lang=xx, in addition to perhaps jurisdiction=xx.22:06
nyergleri know that belgium had some issues with the way we were doing things -- since they're split nearly 50/50 french/dutch?22:06
nkinkadenyergler: Now that I think of it, I think it was the other way around, right?22:07
nyerglerwhat do you mean?22:07
nyergler(other way around)22:07
nkinkadeThat is, if someone accessed /choose with ?lang=es, it would default the jurisdiciton to "es"22:07
nyerglernkinkade, don't remember, although i do remember conversations about default to unported in more situations, so that's possible22:08
nkinkadenyergler: So, basically it's operating how we intend it to at the moment?22:08
nyergleri think so, although if there are strong objections, i wouldn't fight making jurisidiction => language too hard22:08
nyergleralthough i think there are probably lots of cases where you might want to show the jurisdiction chooser, and the language is secondary (ie, leaving it to the browser negotiation is fine)22:09
nyerglermlinksva might remember more clearly than i do22:09
nkinkadenyergler: I agree with you.  It's more appropriate, and flexible, to break out lang and juris into two separate things.22:11
nkinkadeIf you need to set both, then pass both &jurisdiction= and &lang=22:12
nyerglernkinkade, right22:16
nyergleri like explicit better than implicit ;)22:16
nkinkadenyergler: One more thing.  Did the old deeds do any content language negotiation with the browser?22:21
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paroneayeawait what22:22
paroneayeadidn't notice those messages22:22
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paroneayeaokay, yeah so I dunno if the old one did that, when you selected a jurisdiction it changed the language22:23
nkinkadeparoneayea: At the moment I'm trying to figure out if the deeds used to do language negotiation with the browser.22:23
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CC_HudsonAsheesh Laroia: Switch to protocol-httpclient, not protocol-http22:23
paroneayeathough that seems it would be confusing22:23
paroneayeankinkade: oh the deeds?22:23
nkinkadeparoneayea: Yeah.22:23
paroneayeankinkade: the deeds didn't22:23
nkinkadeI was talking about the chooser before, but I've moved on to the deeds.22:23
paroneayeasince they were staticly generated22:23
paroneayeaso there's no negotiation, just serving up the deeds22:24
nkinkadeparoneayea: That makes sense, and now I feel stupid.22:24
paroneayea:D don't feel stupid22:24
paroneayeasince I initially *made* them auto-negotiate22:24
paroneayeabefore I found out that was wrong because of the static-gen22:24
paroneayeaso I made that same mistake22:24
nyergler_nkinkade, sorry22:24
paroneayeain the future we may auto-negotiate22:24
nyergler_went away22:24
paroneayeathere's a ticket:22:25
nyergler_nkinkade, if the far, far past they used to negotiate for the default view (ie, without deed.xx)22:25
nyergler_we changed it to not negotiate ~ 3 years ago22:25
paroneayeahttp://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue618 related22:25
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nyerglermralex, http://www.collegehumor.com/video:194059723:49
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