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| akila87 | Hi paroneayea | 14:42 |
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| paroneayea | hi akila87 | 14:45 |
| akila87 | paroneayea: Did you check the plugin? | 14:45 |
| akila87 | I just show your mail. | 14:46 |
| akila87 | I think the script is a possible thing. | 14:47 |
| akila87 | AFAIK we can upload zip files to extension site. | 14:48 |
| akila87 | how a bout uploading a zip file with the script for linux and also a readme | 14:48 |
| paroneayea | sounds like a good idea | 14:48 |
| akila87 | windows users can just extract the zip and install the .oxt | 14:49 |
| akila87 | linux users can run the script. | 14:49 |
| paroneayea | great :) | 14:50 |
| akila87 | and please try this terminal thing when you have time. | 14:51 |
| akila87 | I tried it several times and it was working every time. | 14:51 |
| paroneayea | akila87: I will. I have an appointment with the veterinarian this morning but I will test it this afternoon | 14:52 |
| paroneayea | sounds great akila87, thanks for your hard work on this.. I know it's been a pain to debug | 14:52 |
| akila87 | :) never mind | 14:52 |
| akila87 | well its a challenge :) | 14:52 |
| paroneayea | that's the spirit :) | 14:53 |
| akila87 | paroneayea, another thing what should we do for Mac? | 14:53 |
| paroneayea | akila87: I don't know.. I don't have access to a mac here | 14:53 |
| akila87 | me too :(. | 14:53 |
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| paroneayea | but a few other people at CC do | 14:53 |
| paroneayea | I'll send an email to them later asking for them to test. | 14:54 |
| akila87 | I tried to download a dvd image. (well you know it is not legal though.) | 14:54 |
| akila87 | but it was a torrent | 14:55 |
| paroneayea | I will get someone to test | 14:55 |
| paroneayea | in the meanwhile I have to go | 14:55 |
| paroneayea | talk to you later akila87 | 14:55 |
| akila87 | sure paroneayea | 14:55 |
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| ArneBab | greg-g | 15:52 |
| ArneBab | hi | 15:52 |
| ArneBab | (from identi.ca) | 15:52 |
| greg-g | hello | 15:52 |
| ArneBab | to contitue about fair use and free licenses | 15:53 |
| ArneBab | continue | 15:53 |
| ArneBab | assume I take a disney song in a fair use context (i.e. as parody) | 15:53 |
| ArneBab | then I take a cc by-sa text for which that use isn’t covered by fair use | 15:54 |
| ArneBab | the cc by-sa text requires me to license the resulting work under cc by-sa | 15:55 |
| ArneBab | which means someone can now extract the disney song and use it under cc by-sa. | 15:55 |
| ArneBab | where’s the error in that logic? Which step is forbidden? | 15:55 |
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| ArneBab | greg-g: Are you greg from identi.ca? | 15:59 |
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| greg-g | ArneBab: hey, sorry, work stuff got in the way | 16:11 |
| ArneBab | no prob | 16:11 |
| ArneBab | communication can be asynchronous :) | 16:11 |
| greg-g | there is a huge error in that you are never able to relicense anyone else's work. In that situation, your resulting work is CC:BY-SA licensed, with the exception that the disney song is not CC:BY-SA and instead All Rights Reserved, but used under Fair Use | 16:12 |
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| ArneBab | when someone licenses something under cc by, I don’t have to keep the license – am I right in that? | 16:36 |
| ArneBab | in software you always relicense stuff, so this is quite a strange difference to me | 16:36 |
| greg-g | ArneBab: right, as long as you attribute them correctly in your work, your work could be All Rights Reserved (or any license) | 16:36 |
| ArneBab | and with cc by-sa? | 16:37 |
| greg-g | no, you never relicense things in software either. If it is GPL it is always GPL and you can't change that without the author's permission | 16:37 |
| ArneBab | if it’s BSD, you can use it under GPL, if it’s LGPL, you can use it under GPL. | 16:37 |
| greg-g | If you make a derivaitve of a CC:BY-SA work, your derivative must also be CC:BY-SA | 16:38 |
| ArneBab | and adding fair use stuff isn’t making a derivative? | 16:38 |
| greg-g | ArneBab: right. You can think of CC:BY as *somewhat* similar to BSD and CC:BY-SA as *somewhat* similar to GPL | 16:38 |
| greg-g | ArneBab: it is making a derivative, so the whole work is licensed CC:BY-SA, but the peice that is All Rights Reserved is always A.R.R. | 16:39 |
| greg-g | you can't change that, no matter what license you use (CC:BY-SA, BSD, GPL) | 16:39 |
| ArneBab | but then the whole work grants the right to sell it, while the indiviual license doesn’t? | 16:39 |
| greg-g | right, so the downstream user would need to make sure that THEIR use of that derivative work is also permitted under Fair Use | 16:40 |
| ArneBab | that most definitely isn’t allowed with GPL. | 16:40 |
| ArneBab | if the whole work is GPL, then every component must grant the same rights. | 16:40 |
| greg-g | well, it hasn't been tested really since people don't normally think of Fair Use in code | 16:41 |
| greg-g | and yeah, GPL is a little more strict in that regard | 16:41 |
| ArneBab | the GPL is quite clear in that everything you use must be usable with all the four freedoms. | 16:41 |
| ArneBab | and if cc by-sa allows adding unfree works which only grant that for a very constraint usecase, it’s not very useful to me. | 16:42 |
| ArneBab | What keeps someone from granting use rights of his all-rights-reserved work only to one user? | 16:43 |
| ArneBab | and that user then using cc by-sa content | 16:43 |
| ArneBab | with unfree content | 16:43 |
| greg-g | sorry, I have a meeting to attend | 16:43 |
| ArneBab | and creating derivative works which only he is allowed to sell? | 16:43 |
| ArneBab | no prob | 16:43 |
| ArneBab | I’ll look in here from time to time | 16:44 |
| ArneBab | just use my name, so that my program informs me of your answer :) | 16:44 |
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| paroneayea | nyergler_: hey | 20:18 |
| paroneayea | we doing a tech sync this week? | 20:20 |
| nyergler_ | paroneayea, ugh, sorry | 20:22 |
| nyergler_ | the meeting marathon continues here in SF | 20:23 |
| paroneayea | np | 20:23 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: you around? | 20:37 |
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| JED3 | mralex: ping | 21:50 |
| mralex | JED3: holla | 21:55 |
| JED3 | mralex: i was going to ask whether or not the image files in the drupal.git repo were uploaded via the drupal admin interface | 21:57 |
| mralex | JED3: if they're in an images directory, then no | 21:57 |
| mralex | all uploads are in sites/default/files | 21:57 |
| JED3 | mralex: yeah i'm referring to sites/default/files | 21:59 |
| JED3 | why are we keeping those in version control then? | 21:59 |
| mralex | they probably got sucked in with a "git add" | 22:00 |
| JED3 | mralex: no, explicitly added by nkinkade | 22:00 |
| JED3 | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit/drupal.git/commit/?id=424eed494f67e1e2b06892eebf0ac1e7bef6eab0 | 22:01 |
| nkinkade | mralex: JED3: Every now and then I mass-checkin images. | 22:01 |
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| nkinkade | Mostly I do it so that we could use version control to totally restore an installation rather than having to resort to version control *and* backups. | 22:02 |
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| JED3 | nkinkade: ahh okay | 22:05 |
| nkinkade | I haven't thought of any issues with it, but if there' | 22:05 |
| nkinkade | s a problem with it, definitely let me know. | 22:05 |
| JED3 | yeah, git is telling me that i have a shit ton of changes to update for some reason, maybe drupal touches the files? idk | 22:06 |
| nkinkade | Not that I know of. But when was the last time you git pulled? | 22:08 |
| nkinkade | And the other reason you may have a lot of changes to pull down is because every day a script pushes upstream changes to our repo, so a lot of the changes are from upstream. | 22:09 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: these are local changes though? | 22:11 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: oh btw, i moved that api call to dev yesterday | 22:12 |
| JED3 | with the local url of the jurisdiction included | 22:12 |
| paroneayea | http://code.creativecommons.org/basket/cc.i18n-20100728222037.tar.gz post-receive hook works but it's slowwwww | 22:23 |
| paroneayea | I think it could be sped up. | 22:23 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: How slow is it? | 22:23 |
| paroneayea | like a minute or so | 22:24 |
| paroneayea | mainly because it checks it out completely and then runs buildout | 22:24 |
| paroneayea | it removes the i18n repo and re-checks it out every time | 22:24 |
| paroneayea | as per our meeting | 22:24 |
| paroneayea | but I think we could just not check it out every time and also run buildout -N | 22:25 |
| paroneayea | and then it won't be slows | 22:25 |
| paroneayea | slow | 22:25 |
| nkinkade | I think speed is nice in this case. | 22:25 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Does is bind/lock a commit? | 22:26 |
| nkinkade | Or will it return the commit and run in the backgroud? | 22:26 |
| paroneayea | it binds it | 22:26 |
| nkinkade | Then one minute won't do. | 22:26 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 22:26 |
| paroneayea | I can speed this up pretty easily. | 22:26 |
| nkinkade | That means it will hold up the web interface of Transifex for one minute. | 22:26 |
| paroneayea | I'll work on that. | 22:26 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: okay if I check out the repository into /var/www/code.creativecommons.org/git/i18n_hook_checkout | 22:31 |
| paroneayea | ? | 22:31 |
| paroneayea | I can't think of anything better, as shitty as that is :) | 22:31 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Why not make the checkout somewhere in /var/www/staging.creativecommons.org? | 22:32 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: okay | 22:32 |
| nkinkade | Actually, doing it in that specific directly could be nice. | 22:33 |
| paroneayea | I only suggested that one because /var/www/code.creativecommons.org/git is the git user's home directory | 22:33 |
| paroneayea | ok | 22:33 |
| nkinkade | Then we know that it's associated with staging. | 22:33 |
| paroneayea | will do | 22:33 |
| nkinkade | I'll be curious to hear how fast things go when there is already a checkout. | 22:33 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: it works and only takes a second. | 22:45 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout. | 22:57 |
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