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| DarkRedman | Hi all | 00:38 |
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| jgay | paulproteus, greg-g, I know the term "collection" is not easily defined ... but, I had an example and I wanted to understand when the line is crossed from being a collection of works to being some adaptation | 17:05 |
| jgay | and I was hoping you could help me decide if it's a fuzzy case or if it clearly falls on one side of the line or the other | 17:06 |
| jgay | Let's take this example: http://authors.ck12.org/wiki/index.php/The_Solar_System | 17:07 |
| jgay | It's a chapter of a book. A lot of the images come from different sources (e.g., Wikimedia Commons) | 17:07 |
| * paulproteus nods and listens | 17:08 | |
| jgay | some are GFDL too | 17:08 |
| jgay | (but not the special GFDL that lets you have the dual license with CC BY SA -- old gfdl) | 17:08 |
| paulproteus | As I understand things, adding images like that is no problem. | 17:08 |
| paulproteus | That seems not like a derivative to me. | 17:09 |
| jgay | paulproteus, it gets a little trickier | 17:09 |
| jgay | now, let's imagine the following use case. I go to the wikipedia article on Mars and use the image and read the article and then, let's say i discuss the article in a fashion clearly inspired by the wikipedia article | 17:10 |
| jgay | am I starting to cross some line with the wikipedia article. I'm using and discussing the same image. I'm sequencing my discussion in a similar fashion. But, I'm rewriting it from scratch. | 17:10 |
| jgay | So, could I say copyright my text and simply include images under CC BY SA, but it would be OK, because my use of the images would still be a collection? Would I be concerened about the images at all or simply concerned about a possible derivatives claim from the wikipedia text? | 17:12 |
| jgay | greg-g, thoughts? | 17:14 |
| greg-g | jgay: I have to run off to a meeting, can I respond in about an hour or so? | 17:16 |
| jgay | greg-g, sure ... whenever you like. Thanks! | 17:16 |
| greg-g | awesome | 17:16 |
| jgay | paulproteus, but, you would confidently place the use of images in a book as collection? | 17:16 |
| jgay | since they are more or less self-contained? | 17:17 |
| paulproteus | I mean, that's what I would do, yes. | 17:21 |
| paulproteus | I'm no lawyer, blah blah (-: | 17:21 |
| paulproteus | (but I do think my answer is sane) | 17:22 |
| jgay | paulproteus, no worries, I'm not coming to IRC for legal advice nor official CC advice | 17:36 |
| jgay | just bouncing thoughts around ... getting what other peoples gut feelings are ... not professional opinions | 17:36 |
| paulproteus | jgay: Natch, just thought I'd disclaim for the other people listening in. (-: | 17:38 |
| jgay | paulproteus, are you at oscon? | 17:48 |
| paulproteus | "Yes" (but hiding at a cafe currently) | 17:48 |
| jgay | paulproteus, did you go to the Financial Incentives panel yesterday? I was wondering how that was ... if it was informative and if they covered broad issues like Hedge Funds using free software to create powerful trading systems, etc. | 17:50 |
| paulproteus | I did, and can talk more about it later | 17:56 |
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| greg-g | jgay: yeah, so, re: the images part: totally fine. re: the discussion: ideas are not copyrightable. So, if you talk about how Mars is such and such and I talk about it, too, am I infringing? no. So. you should be fine. | 19:26 |
| jgay | greg-g, ok, just wanted to make sure I had that right. Thanks | 19:26 |
| greg-g | np | 19:27 |
| jgay | I'm trying to make sure I draw my lines clearly in a short piece i'm writing | 19:27 |
| greg-g | jgay: any time | 19:27 |
| jgay | thx | 19:27 |
| greg-g | perfect | 19:27 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: Do you know where the photo of the whiteboard is from our meetings? | 22:45 |
| nkinkade | Or better yet, do you recall how we were going to handle the shutdown of translate.CC.org? Redirect? A note at index.html noting the new location? | 22:46 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: I don't remember but I can forward you the whiteboard image | 22:53 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I just opted to display a message rather than automatically forward users. | 22:54 |
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| paroneayea | that sounds like the way to go | 22:55 |
| paroneayea | less confusing. | 22:55 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I just shutdown pootle. I think you're safe to do the final push of i18n from svn to git whenever you like. | 22:55 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: I'll have to do it tomorrow | 22:56 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Tomorrow is fine. | 22:56 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: ok sync up then | 22:56 |
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