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| theTempest | question: am I allowed to put cc-by-sa textures and other stuff licensed under different licenses in a zlib-licensed game? | 11:49 |
| theTempest | obviously, the media is in a normal directory tree within the game and therefore easy to extract. | 11:50 |
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| theTempest | sorry, meant "game with zlib-licensed source code" | 11:56 |
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| erlehmann | JED3, are you working on <http://api.creativecommons.org/rest/dev/license/standard/jurisdiction/>? | 13:36 |
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| akila87 | Hi paroneayea, | 14:32 |
| paroneayea | akila87: hi... | 14:34 |
| paroneayea | sorry I haven't gotten back to you yet :X | 14:34 |
| akila87 | ah its ok. :) I didn't add the new translations. should I update the SVN? | 14:36 |
| paroneayea | yes please | 14:36 |
| paroneayea | so yeah, update svn. Also, could you do a blogpost this week about the translations? | 14:38 |
| akila87 | sure I have started to write one :) | 14:39 |
| paroneayea | great :) | 14:39 |
| paroneayea | brb | 14:42 |
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| akila87 | paroneayea i cant commit to SVN | 15:04 |
| paroneayea | akila87: ?? | 15:04 |
| paroneayea | what's the error message | 15:04 |
| akila87 | looks like my pulic key is not working | 15:05 |
| akila87 | Permission denied (publickey,password). | 15:05 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: yo ^^ | 15:05 |
| paroneayea | any reason you know of why this may be happening? | 15:05 |
| nkinkade | akila87: Which public key are you using? | 15:08 |
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| akila87 | nkinkade, didn't get you, i think the answer should be ssh | 15:10 |
| nkinkade | akila87: What do you mean? | 15:10 |
| nkinkade | We use public key authentication for Subversion and if your public key is failing to authenticate, then my first guess is that you're using the wrong public key, else we never set it up in the first place. | 15:11 |
| akila87 | ah, sorry I'm using the same key that I have used before. | 15:12 |
| nkinkade | akila87: Here is the key we have for you: http://dpaste.com/218852/ | 15:13 |
| nkinkade | Are you 100% certain that's the key your svn client is sending? | 15:13 |
| nkinkade | Also, did this work for you before, and now suddenly it quit working? Or is this the first time you've tried to commit? | 15:14 |
| akila87 | yes that's the key. | 15:16 |
| akila87 | It worked before. | 15:17 |
| nkinkade | akila87: Have any of the permissions changed on your .ssh directory, by chance? | 15:17 |
| nkinkade | akila87: Try ssh-ing to svn@code.creativecommons.org on port 2222 | 15:19 |
| nkinkade | ... using the -i flag to specify the key you use for subversion, assuming you have multiple keys. | 15:20 |
| nkinkade | Also use the -vvv option for some verbose log output. | 15:21 |
| akila87 | nkinkade, http://dpaste.com/218861/ | 15:28 |
| akila87 | this is the output | 15:29 |
| nkinkade | akila87: What is this line?: | 15:30 |
| nkinkade | debug1: Offering public key: /home/akila/KEY/key | 15:30 |
| nkinkade | /home/akila/KEY/key seems wrong, unless you have a highly non-standard setup. | 15:30 |
| nkinkade | usually it would be something like /home/akila/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | 15:31 |
| akila87 | it's the the place where I created my key. | 15:32 |
| nkinkade | akila87: So your key is really /home/akila/KEY/key? | 15:33 |
| nkinkade | What platform are you on? | 15:33 |
| akila87 | ya, ubuntu | 15:33 |
| nkinkade | Normally, ssh will look in /home/<user>/.ssh/id_{rd}sa.pub, but if your key is in some really non-standard place or has a non-standard name you will have to specify it manually on the command like with -i | 15:34 |
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| nkinkade | akila87: when you tried to ssh a minute ago did you pass ssh the identity to use with the -i flag? | 15:35 |
| akila87 | ya | 15:35 |
| nkinkade | akila87: Invalid user akila87 from <your IP address> | 15:36 |
| nkinkade | The user should be svn, not akila87 | 15:36 |
| nkinkade | Are you sure you used the -l option for the login, or svn@ before the hostname? | 15:37 |
| akila87 | sorry I have used the -l option | 15:38 |
| akila87 | I'll try again with svn@ | 15:38 |
| nkinkade | The -l option should work too. | 15:39 |
| nkinkade | akila87: That looks better. | 15:39 |
| nkinkade | You won't get a shell, but it appears to have worked this time. | 15:40 |
| akila87 | ya | 15:40 |
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| nkinkade | So, it seems that subversion is not sending the right user name. | 15:40 |
| nkinkade | Maybe it's sending akila87 and not svn. | 15:40 |
| akila87 | can I try using netbeans. | 15:41 |
| nkinkade | akila87: Are you talking to me, or to paroneayea? | 15:43 |
| nkinkade | Can I assume from here that we are in agreement that the problem with svn auth is on your side and that you'll handle it from here? | 15:44 |
| akila87 | nkinkade I'm talking to you | 15:44 |
| akila87 | sure | 15:45 |
| nkinkade | akila87: What do netbeans have to do with svn authentication? Or did I miss something? | 15:45 |
| paroneayea | akila87: ah, are you committing via netbeans' VCS interface? | 15:45 |
| akila87 | ya | 15:45 |
| JED3 | erlehmann: yes, i am still working on the api | 15:47 |
| erlehmann | JED3, when will it go live? nkinkade requested me to use it. | 15:48 |
| erlehmann | he also said i should not use regexes for XML parsing, hehe | 15:48 |
| erlehmann | also, i know why this is wrong. | 15:48 |
| paroneayea | JED3: yo | 15:48 |
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| JED3 | erlehmann: not sure, there are a few other items that are taking higher priority right now, but perhaps by the end of the day? | 15:49 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: yoo | 15:49 |
| paroneayea | any luck deconstructing that problem? | 15:49 |
| paroneayea | as I said last night, the only difference I could tell in the packages was that the ones on my computer are 32bit and the ones on the server are 64 bit | 15:50 |
| paroneayea | but no idea why that would affect things | 15:50 |
| paroneayea | other than that they are the same version | 15:50 |
| erlehmann | JED3, lol wut. | 15:50 |
| paroneayea | the discrepency *does* appear to be coming from rdflib though | 15:50 |
| erlehmann | JED3, please ping me when it is done. | 15:50 |
| JED3 | erlehmann: sure | 15:52 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: really? how? | 15:52 |
| JED3 | why would rdflib have a play? | 15:52 |
| paroneayea | oh wait | 15:53 |
| paroneayea | sorry, it's librdf, so that's completely irrelevant :) | 15:54 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: the versions differ by 32 v 64b? | 15:56 |
| paroneayea | well, for some reason I was confused last night and was looking at the difference in versions for rdflib instead of librdf | 15:57 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: :P | 15:59 |
| * paroneayea not being helpful | 15:59 | |
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| paroneayea | JED3: I do think though that: | 16:01 |
| paroneayea | OPTIONAL { ?luri cc:jurisdiction ?juri .} . | 16:01 |
| paroneayea | FILTER (!BOUND(?juri)) | 16:01 |
| paroneayea | this is the only query that uses OPTIONAL and FILTER | 16:01 |
| paroneayea | and also the only query that's failing on a8 | 16:01 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: yeah i know, which is why i passed it by nyergler yesterday he said that it looked fine | 16:02 |
| paroneayea | I don't think the query is wrong | 16:02 |
| nyergler | does rdflib support OPTIONAL, FILTER, and BOUND? | 16:04 |
| paroneayea | apparently it does on our computers but not on a8 :) | 16:04 |
| nyergler | :/ | 16:04 |
| paroneayea | cwebber@a8:~/dev/cc.license$ md5sum /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/RDF.py | 16:04 |
| paroneayea | 14b8b9beeeb5c07b9d184f7ed41a7f31 /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/RDF.py | 16:04 |
| paroneayea | cwebber@livian:~$ md5sum /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/RDF.py | 16:05 |
| paroneayea | 80d99fda3746a2f2b7d5ea88e208ea35 /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/RDF.py | 16:05 |
| paroneayea | so I guess I'm not running the same version on my machine anyway | 16:05 |
| nyergler | so that's librdf, not rdflib; I suppose I mis-spoke? | 16:05 |
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| nyergler | also, in the case of librdf, keep in mind that it's just a Python wrapper for the librdf / Redland library | 16:06 |
| * paroneayea keeps confusing himself on librdf/rdflib | 16:06 | |
| paroneayea | but anyway yeah, librdf | 16:06 |
| paroneayea | on my machine I'm running 1.0.10.1-2 and the server is running 1.0.7.1-1+b1 or python-librdf | 16:08 |
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| paroneayea | so says dpkg -l | 16:09 |
| paroneayea | JED3: so | 16:09 |
| paroneayea | you said you're running the same version of both librdf0 and python-librdf on your desktop as the server? | 16:10 |
| paroneayea | because I'm running a newer version here so maybe that's why it's supporting it and the server isn't | 16:10 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: same here | 16:14 |
| paroneayea | JED3: also running a newer version, you mean? | 16:21 |
| paroneayea | because if so I suspect that's it | 16:21 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: yes | 16:21 |
| paroneayea | probably that's a recently added feature | 16:21 |
| JED3 | thats virtually the only thing left that could be the issue | 16:21 |
| paroneayea | this can be reproduced by pretty much walking through all licenses and manually filtering out the ones without a jurisdiction assertion on the python side | 16:22 |
| paroneayea | that's probably nastier but it would work | 16:22 |
| paroneayea | you could cache the results so it would only have to run once | 16:22 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: yeah i'd like to avoid doing that | 16:22 |
| paroneayea | it would probably be fast enough if you cached it. | 16:22 |
| paroneayea | the other option is figuring out how to upgrade librdf on a8 | 16:23 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: yeah, i'd prefer to update librdf | 16:23 |
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| nkinkade | nyergler: No luck with the backup server? | 16:31 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: You might also try booting to single user mode by editing the Grub boot line. | 16:31 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, haven't looked at it today, will try single user mode | 16:32 |
| nyergler | trying to get lots of things wrapped up in preparation for my trip next week | 16:33 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, I'm wanting to get the backup machine finished today so I don't have to think about early next week when I'm vacation. :-) | 16:33 |
| nkinkade | But it's not critical, really. | 16:34 |
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| nkinkade | It's really hilarious when Google marks message from Google as spam. paroneayea, JED3 I found the midterm evaluation reminders for you guys in spam ... maybe it was just me, but I mention it in case yours were filtered to spam as well. | 16:40 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: mine came through to inbox | 16:40 |
| nkinkade | It must be because I aggressively mark things as spam. | 16:41 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: thx for the reminder. Got my midterm eval in though :) | 16:41 |
| paroneayea | heh | 16:41 |
| nkinkade | But it's surprising that Google would mark messages from itself as spam. | 16:41 |
| paroneayea | it must be sabotage! | 16:42 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: I see you got the backup machine running. I assume single user mode did it? | 16:44 |
| nkinkade | And I see you commented out the line I added to /etc/fstab. Have you tried rebooting again with that line commented to verify that was the problem? | 16:44 |
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| nyergler | nkinkade, i was using the wrong incantation to mount the LVM volume | 16:51 |
| nyergler | was able to mount it from the ubuntu CD rescue mode | 16:51 |
| nyergler | commented the line out, rebooted | 16:51 |
| nyergler | came up fine | 16:51 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: But you commented out the /dev/md0 line in fstab too? | 16:52 |
| nkinkade | I'll uncomment that line, then reboot to make sure we're okay. | 16:52 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, that's the only line i commented out | 16:52 |
| nyergler | i thought that's what you added | 16:52 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: Yeah, I did add that line. | 16:52 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, that's all i did | 16:52 |
| nkinkade | And I think it's right, but to be safe we better uncomment and reboot to make sure. :-) | 16:52 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, so you've changed it? | 16:52 |
| nyergler | like, why do you expect it to work now when it didn't before? | 16:53 |
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| nkinkade | nyergler: I thought you said that the problem was with LVM and you corrected it. Sorry, I must have misunderstood. | 16:53 |
| nkinkade | So the LVM was just with the boot CD, and the real problem apparently is the /dev/md0 | 16:54 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, no, i wasn't able to look @ fstab yesterday because I was trying to mount the LVM volume with the wrong dev | 16:54 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, correct | 16:54 |
| nkinkade | Ah. Okay, so let me research why that line in fstab would cause it to fail to boot. | 16:54 |
| nkinkade | I think the line is okay, because you can do: $ sudo mount /media/storage and it mounts just fine. | 16:54 |
| nkinkade | Wait, no it doesn't. It did a before. Weird. | 16:55 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, do you need to use a UUID to identify the partition? | 16:56 |
| nyergler | (no idea, just thinking out loud) | 16:56 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: Not that I'm aware of. In fact I just some article saying to not use labels, but to just use the /dev/mdX | 16:56 |
| nkinkade | Interestingly /dev/md0 doesn't exist in /dev at the moment. | 16:57 |
| nkinkade | I must have missed a step when I created the RAID array. | 16:57 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, is this a kernel module issue? | 16:57 |
| nyergler | like it's not loading raid456 or something? | 16:57 |
| nyergler | (not autoloading) | 16:57 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: The raid456 module is loaded. | 17:00 |
| nyergler | hrm | 17:00 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: This happened right after I did an update which included a kernel update. | 17:01 |
| nkinkade | I'm tempted to revert to the old kernel and see what happens. | 17:01 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, i need to do a call right now, let me know what you find | 17:02 |
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| JED3 | nkinkade: does this look as scary to you as it does to me? http://dpaste.com/218913/ | 17:48 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Slightly. Why would it require libc6? | 17:49 |
| nkinkade | Or better yet, why is it wanting to upgrade it. | 17:50 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Oh, why are you pulling from testing? | 17:50 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Have you tried to install it from a source package? | 17:51 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: trying to upgrade a single package, but not sure thats feasible looking at these dependencies | 17:51 |
| nkinkade | I don't see anything in the list that is would obviously break anything, but still it seems less than ideal because it would basically pull part of the machine up to testing along with it. | 17:53 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: yeah, i honestly don't think its worth the risk, there are alternatives in the code to get around this python-librdf version requirement | 17:54 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: looks like i'm going to python process the list of all license uri's after all :/ | 17:55 |
| paroneayea | JED3: sux | 17:56 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, i'm off my call if you need me to do something on the server | 18:01 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: For some reason it's not joining sdd1 to the array ... when I try to add it it says the device or resource is busy. | 18:03 |
| nkinkade | I'm looking into that now. | 18:03 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: its just one thing after the next... can you do me a quick favor? | 18:05 |
| paroneayea | JED3: sure | 18:05 |
| JED3 | will you try calling cc.license._lib.rdf_helper.get_license_uris()? | 18:06 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: it just hangs for me | 18:06 |
| paroneayea | sure, pulling | 18:06 |
| JED3 | no no its already there | 18:06 |
| paroneayea | oic | 18:07 |
| JED3 | git blame tells me that its been there since 2008 | 18:08 |
| JED3 | the rdf query just returned after about 6 or 7 minutes | 18:09 |
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| paroneayea | hm yeah it's hanging | 18:11 |
| paroneayea | I've seen this before. | 18:11 |
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| paroneayea | when you do a query across two fields it seems to take forever | 18:11 |
| paroneayea | ?luri rdf:type cc:License . | 18:11 |
| paroneayea | ?luri cc:licenseClass <%s> . | 18:11 |
| JED3 | yeah, is the first clause even necessary? | 18:12 |
| paroneayea | JED3: I am embarassed to say it but | 18:12 |
| paroneayea | look at _lib/functions.py:get_selector_jurisdictions | 18:13 |
| paroneayea | for the horrible thing I had to do | 18:13 |
| paroneayea | doing that filtering by python is 300000% faster | 18:13 |
| * paroneayea has a TODO item to submit a bug report about that :X | 18:14 | |
| nyergler | does paroneayea have a TODO item to replace the empty docstring too? :) | 18:15 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: yeah well i'm doing the exact same thing now as what you were forced to do in get_selecter_jurisdictions | 18:15 |
| JED3 | but the query you have in that function is already in rdf_helper except it doesn't work hah | 18:15 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: I will do that now :) | 18:15 |
| paroneayea | JED3: I think you're right though, the first one isn't necessary | 18:16 |
| paroneayea | since only cc:License will have a cc:LicenseClass anyway | 18:16 |
| JED3 | yeah, i just removed it and it works fine | 18:18 |
| * JED3 majorly sighs | 18:19 | |
| paroneayea | by the way | 18:19 |
| paroneayea | does anyone else think it's silly that all of the get_* functions in rdf_helper require you to pass in a model, even though most of them only work for a particular model anyway? | 18:20 |
| paroneayea | at the very least I think that it would be sensible to make that a keyword argument with a default | 18:20 |
| paroneayea | like | 18:20 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: i most certainly agree | 18:21 |
| paroneayea | def selector_has_license(selector_uri, license_uri, model=SEL_MODEL): | 18:22 |
| paroneayea | instead of def selector_has_license(model, selector_uri, license_uri): | 18:22 |
| paroneayea | for some of these I think it makes sense not to have a default | 18:22 |
| paroneayea | ie get_version which is fairly generic | 18:22 |
| paroneayea | but there are only a couple of those. | 18:23 |
| paroneayea | JED3: it may be a pain to change all of the methods that call those methods but maybe you and I can at least agree to not follow that pattern in the future :) | 18:25 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: sure thing | 18:25 |
| paroneayea | coo | 18:25 |
| * paroneayea goes to make another pot of tea | 18:25 | |
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| JED3 | nkinkade: was it you or the gsoc guy who needed http://api.creativecommons.org/rest/staging/license/standard/jurisdiction/ ? | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Yes. | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | I need it too. | 18:30 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: aye, okay, well its there now | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | Where? | 18:30 |
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| JED3 | at the link i just sent | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Why is "staging" in that link? | 18:31 |
| nkinkade | Is it not live yet? | 18:31 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: no, but it staging is a bit of a misnomer, its much more stable than what the version name would normally imply | 18:32 |
| nkinkade | JED3: But will that URL ever change? | 18:32 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: no | 18:32 |
| nkinkade | Or is staging the new production? | 18:32 |
| nyergler | staging is not the new production | 18:32 |
| nyergler | wtf people | 18:32 |
| nkinkade | I'm confused. | 18:32 |
| nkinkade | I just want a URL that can be properly added to a publicly distributed plugin. | 18:33 |
| nkinkade | One that is guaranteed to not change or become deprecated. | 18:33 |
| nkinkade | If /staging/ is it, then fine, though it's not aesthetically pleasing. | 18:33 |
| JED3 | yeah well use staging while you building whatever it is you're working on, and it' | 18:34 |
| JED3 | ll be moved to /dev/ or something else as soon as we can test it a bit further | 18:34 |
| JED3 | obviously don't use the staging url in a released version, but use it right now so you can keep working on whatever needed the api call in the first place | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | So then, in reality, /dev/ is the new production for the API. | 18:35 |
| paroneayea | interestingly enough that's the opposite naming of the path nyergler was suggesting in our meeting | 18:36 |
| paroneayea | which was dev -> staging -> live | 18:36 |
| paroneayea | granted that was for servers but | 18:36 |
| paroneayea | what's the chance that a new "version" of the API will be released any time soon under a canonical URL | 18:43 |
| paroneayea | ? | 18:43 |
| paroneayea | or is it expected that /dev/ will be the "stable-ish" form of the API for the long run | 18:43 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: short answer: idk | 18:46 |
| paroneayea | :) | 18:47 |
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| paroneayea | lol | 19:07 |
| paroneayea | (paulproteus 2007-09-27 23:21:48 +0000 3) # This is even more terrible, but it, too, works. | 19:07 |
| * paulproteus chuckles. | 19:07 | |
| paulproteus | Go me (!?) | 19:07 |
| paulproteus | What is that from? (-: | 19:07 |
| paroneayea | restore_language_code_and_name_and_domain.sh | 19:08 |
| paroneayea | which does: | 19:08 |
| paroneayea | find ../i18n | grep po$ | grep -v icommons \ | 19:08 |
| paroneayea | | xargs -l1 python restore_language_code_and_name_and_domain.py | 19:08 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: goood news! | 19:39 |
| paroneayea | finished merging i18n and cc.i18npkg, moved the directory structure, and updated the tools | 19:39 |
| paroneayea | so we should be good for the transifex | 19:40 |
| paroneayea | move | 19:40 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: That's great news. | 19:41 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: I'm going to push to master now unless if there's any reason why I shouldn't | 19:43 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: So once you do this we need to shut down i18n on subversion? | 19:44 |
| paroneayea | yes | 19:44 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Don't do that just yet. | 19:44 |
| nkinkade | We may want to give the cci@ advance notice. | 19:44 |
| paroneayea | yes good point | 19:45 |
| nkinkade | We should get nyergler to chime in. | 19:45 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: ^^^ in case you want to weigh in on this process | 19:45 |
| paroneayea | heh. | 19:45 |
| nkinkade | Basically, I don't think we should just shut down translate.CC.org, *then* send a message to CCi. | 19:45 |
| nkinkade | ... but the other way around. | 19:45 |
| paroneayea | yes that's very sensible | 19:46 |
| nkinkade | Allow people to give feedback for at least a few days ... | 19:46 |
| nkinkade | I'm happy to send that message. Let's coordinate with nyergler when he's a back from lunch, assuming that's where he is. | 19:46 |
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| paroneayea | brb | 20:01 |
| paroneayea | c | 20:01 |
| paroneayea | did a dist-upgrade. Hopefully my computer successfully reboots. | 20:02 |
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| akozak | nyergler, if youre interested http://saml.rilspace.org/screencast-rdf-import-and-sparql-update-in-semantic-mediawiki | 20:15 |
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| nyergler | nkinkade, paroneayea: just saw the notice | 20:42 |
| nyergler | so this is how we do the cut over to transifex? | 20:43 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 20:43 |
| nyergler | why don't we send out a notice letting people know that we're moving to a hosted solution (along with concrete examples of improvements they'll see -- like updates to staging faster), and that they can create accounts there if they want to prepare (assuming that's true) | 20:44 |
| nyergler | include a time we'll do the cut-over, and then do it | 20:45 |
| nyergler | i'd say sending that message this afternoon and saying we'll do it monday afternoon (or @ noon) is fine | 20:45 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, do you want to send that email? | 20:45 |
| nyergler | akozak, cool, saw the email, haven't watched the screencast yet | 20:46 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: I can send that mail, but I'll be on vacation on Monday. | 20:46 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, ah, right | 20:46 |
| nyergler | i suppose doing it the day you return is fine | 20:47 |
| nkinkade | Maybe we should give people a few more days to comment, though I doubt virtually anyone will. | 20:47 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, we're not looking for comment | 20:47 |
| nyergler | that period has passed (with virtually no comments) | 20:47 |
| nkinkade | Okay, I"ll mention that the tenative cut-over data is next Thu. | 20:47 |
| nyergler | but if they have questions we can answer them to smooth the transition | 20:48 |
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