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| _ke | what is the difference between http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/ and http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/de/ if i want to licence my website under it? | 13:59 |
| tvol | hey _ke: the second URL you posted is a ported license. the first is unported. see http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#Should_I_choose_an_international_license_or_a_ported_license.3F for more information. | 14:12 |
| _ke | tvol, thanks a lot! | 14:13 |
| tvol | no problem! | 14:13 |
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| akila87 | Hello paroneayea, | 14:46 |
| paroneayea | heya akila87 | 14:47 |
| akila87 | paroneayea what happen to the menu, did it work | 14:48 |
| paroneayea | I was just about to send you an email :) | 14:49 |
| paroneayea | one sec, let me send it, then we can discuss it | 14:49 |
| akila87 | :) | 14:49 |
| paroneayea | sent. Let me know after you read it. | 14:49 |
| akila87 | sure | 14:49 |
| akila87 | :) | 14:50 |
| akila87 | i read it :) | 14:53 |
| paroneayea | cool | 14:53 |
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| akila87 | im dong my development in ubuntu. but using 3.2 | 14:53 |
| paroneayea | ah really | 14:53 |
| paroneayea | maybe it's debian then | 14:53 |
| paroneayea | very strange | 14:53 |
| paroneayea | I thought you said you were using windows earlier | 14:54 |
| akila87 | may be it has the problem with version | 14:54 |
| akila87 | ah ya i checked it in windows too. the same one i've uploaded. | 14:54 |
| paroneayea | I'm assuming you're running Jaunty then on your ubuntu machine? | 14:55 |
| paroneayea | since it's 3.2 | 14:55 |
| paroneayea | er | 14:56 |
| paroneayea | sorry, not jaunty | 14:56 |
| paroneayea | lucid | 14:56 |
| akila87 | ya | 14:57 |
| paroneayea | Alright. I do have that machine running Karmic here.. I'll try updating it to Lucid and see if it works properly | 14:57 |
| akila87 | may be im compling the program with 3.2 sdk and we are running that on 3.1 or 3.2 | 14:57 |
| paroneayea | hm | 14:57 |
| akila87 | first ill try to compile this in 3.1 | 14:58 |
| paroneayea | ok | 14:58 |
| akila87 | then we can check. | 14:58 |
| paroneayea | cool | 14:58 |
| paroneayea | so the other bit I mentioned there was about the commit sizes / messages | 14:58 |
| paroneayea | does that seem reasonable? | 14:58 |
| akila87 | ya actually i was thing that too. | 14:59 |
| paroneayea | great :) | 14:59 |
| akila87 | i worried that im committing too frequently. | 14:59 |
| paroneayea | don't worry about commiting too frequently :) | 14:59 |
| akila87 | sure ill do it. | 14:59 |
| akila87 | btw I'm not at home right now. | 15:00 |
| paroneayea | heh ok | 15:00 |
| akila87 | so the problem is the internet speed is very slow | 15:00 |
| paroneayea | where are you, out of curiosity? | 15:01 |
| akila87 | i'm at may garndma's place. in Polonnaruwa. | 15:01 |
| paroneayea | cool :) | 15:02 |
| akila87 | we don't have 3G coverage like Colombo. | 15:02 |
| akila87 | will it be ok to update the changes after i came home? | 15:02 |
| paroneayea | for sure | 15:02 |
| akila87 | thanks. | 15:03 |
| paroneayea | have fun, and take care :) | 15:03 |
| akila87 | thanks paroneayea, | 15:03 |
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| akila87 | and ill surely post my updates in the blog. | 15:04 |
| paroneayea | great :) | 15:04 |
| akila87 | and can I post a copy in my personal blog? i thought of starting an english one. | 15:08 |
| paroneayea | akila87: sure, you can copy to your own blog | 15:17 |
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| nyergler | paroneayea, did you see the email that just came in to webmaster re: the GPL/LGPL deeds? | 15:23 |
| nyergler | (ie, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/GPL/2.0/) | 15:23 |
| nyergler | looks like the translation string is missing a closing brace or something | 15:24 |
| paroneayea | :< | 15:24 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: There's also the one from Lukas. | 15:24 |
| paroneayea | fixing | 15:24 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, just started going through email, haven't gotten there yet | 15:24 |
| nkinkade | Basically the CC CZ Deeds are displaying all in English. | 15:24 |
| paroneayea | ugh. I remember this problem happening but I thought I fixed it | 15:27 |
| paroneayea | Actually, looks like in 90b7bd14e5b65cbe7abd1096fb1ce3f938188a83 at least of the packageify branch it was correct (the GPL i18n line) | 15:27 |
| paroneayea | maybe that fix got lost in the mergehell branch | 15:28 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, ah, ok | 15:31 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: So I broke i18n out for CC Search into i18n_ccsearch.git and that is now backing the CC Search project on Transifex.net and is working nicely. Then I started to consider that we should just git-svn all of ccsearch and start using git for the whole thing from here forward. Then I started to think about whether it made sense to break out the i18n part or not. | 15:31 |
| nkinkade | Do you have any opinion? I'm feeling like maybe the whole shebang should just be git and we shouldn't have a separate repo for strings, but I can see how it could be nice to separate it, I think. | 15:31 |
| nkinkade | It could easily be a git submodule, for example. | 15:32 |
| nyergler | right | 15:32 |
| nyergler | does transifex let us say "the po files are in this directory in the repository"? | 15:32 |
| nyergler | or does it assume they're in the root or something? | 15:32 |
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| nkinkade | nyergler: Yeah, it does, more or less. | 15:34 |
| nkinkade | They have a "File Filter:" setting which essentially lets you do that. | 15:34 |
| paroneayea | so yeah, looks like that's it | 15:34 |
| paroneayea | Looks like I failed to cherry-pick ad4fe6f2b6a6a606c40ed54d6767768e9f549b21 from packageify during mergehell | 15:34 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, so i think that i generally agree with you, that it *could* be nice to have them split out | 15:34 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, but i think we should wait to split until we have a reason | 15:34 |
| nyergler | (ie, we might use the cc.org strings in multiple places, so we split those out) | 15:35 |
| nyergler | i guess my inclination is to git-svn the whole thing and know we can split later, if needed | 15:35 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: I guess that sounds reasonable. Modularity sounds great, but I honestly can't think of any particular use case where we'd really need them separated. | 15:35 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, that is, one time git-svn, move it all to git | 15:35 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, right | 15:35 |
| nkinkade | Cool. I put it all back together, and make it all git. | 15:35 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, i'm not a huge fan of git submodules, so i think i'd rather pay a "Tax" of having it all together in one, as opposed to using submodules | 15:36 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, great | 15:36 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, paroneayea, any idea why lucas would be linking to cs_CZ as the language? | 15:36 |
| nyergler | it appears our czech translation code is "cs" | 15:36 |
| nyergler | (although this doesn't answer why the deed by default is in english) | 15:36 |
| paroneayea | no, I'll look at that as soon as I fix this GPL thing though | 15:36 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, thanks... it may be a language setting issue in the jursidictions file | 15:37 |
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| hollunder | Hi there. | 15:53 |
| hollunder | I'm wondering about which license would be good for something like audio samples and soundfonts | 15:54 |
| hollunder | There are quite a number that are 'free' but without any license. I just thought about asking the copyright holders of those to release them under a really free license, like CC-BY-SA or something. I noticed that some are distributed as GPL as well... | 15:55 |
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| paroneayea | hollunder: depends on whether or not you want to make releasing under a free license a requirement or not | 15:58 |
| paroneayea | if so, BY-SA is your best choice. Otherwise, CC BY or CC0 are great options. | 15:58 |
| hollunder | I read about some 'sampling' version of the cc licenses, but I don't quite know what to make of it. Is it just another name or a different license? | 16:02 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/GPL/2.0/ | 16:03 |
| mattl | sampling licenses are retired now, i think. | 16:03 |
| hollunder | oh, and is this a good place to ask about copyright in case of sampling in general? I mean using short snippets of copyrighted material in a new work. I know it might depend on the legislation, but have no idea where to look for further information. | 16:04 |
| hollunder | mattl: ok, thanks | 16:04 |
| nyergler | hollunder, the sampling licenses allowed you to license an entire song in a way that allowed sampling, but not larger re-use | 16:04 |
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| nyergler | hollunder, they have been retired at this point, and are not recommended for new works (as mattl pointed out) | 16:04 |
| hollunder | ok, thanks | 16:05 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, awesome, can you reply to that webmaster email reporting the bug? | 16:05 |
| paroneayea | yup | 16:05 |
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| nyergler | thanks! | 16:05 |
| hollunder | oh, neat, a human readable version of the GPL :) | 16:06 |
| mattl | the old GPL ;) | 16:07 |
| hollunder | GPL2 is still widely used | 16:08 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: I guess the second part of his bug is an old formatting issue, but I hadn't noticed it before http://creativecommons.org/licenses/GPL/2.0/ | 16:09 |
| paroneayea | "Portugese Translation Disclaimer" | 16:09 |
| paroneayea | because of the disclaimer align-right | 16:09 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, oh, right | 16:09 |
| mattl | hollunder: absolutely. | 16:09 |
| nyergler | that does look weird | 16:09 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, can you open a ticket and assign it to Alex Roberts to tell us what CSS to use to fix that? :) | 16:10 |
| nyergler | (mark it urgent) | 16:10 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: yep | 16:12 |
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| hollunder | Do you guys happen to know about fair use in case of sampling in the austrian or german jurisdiction? | 16:52 |
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| nyergler | paroneayea, are you looking at the czech issue now? | 17:01 |
| nyergler | hollunder, sorry, i do not | 17:01 |
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| hollunder | thanks nyergler, any idea where I could get that information? | 17:08 |
| nyergler | hollunder, you might ask on the cc-community email list... not sure | 17:11 |
| hollunder | ok, thanks, I'll have a look | 17:12 |
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| mralex | nkinkade: JED3: is zupport down? | 17:40 |
| nkinkade | Shouldn't be. | 17:41 |
| JED3 | mralex: thats me and damn you're quick | 17:41 |
| mralex | :) | 17:41 |
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| mralex | \o]\/ | 17:42 |
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| dithyramble | nyergler: I have a question about nutch and java-rdfa | 18:20 |
| dithyramble | java-rdfa wants to write triples to the rdfstore | 18:20 |
| nyergler | dithyramble, interesting | 18:21 |
| nyergler | (looking) | 18:21 |
| dithyramble | I'm trying to understand the code of CCParseFilter. The core method seems to be filter. | 18:21 |
| dithyramble | filter takes a ParseResult, among other things, and returns a ParseResult. It doesn't write triples. (Presumably that happens later.) | 18:22 |
| nyergler | dithyramble, you mean CCParseFilter in the creativecommons plugin? | 18:22 |
| dithyramble | Yes | 18:22 |
| nyergler | dithyramble, there are no triples involved in that | 18:22 |
| dithyramble | Yeah | 18:22 |
| nyergler | that's all Nutch side | 18:22 |
| nyergler | the creativecommons plugin is included with Nutch | 18:23 |
| nyergler | so it doesn't look @ the RDF store at all | 18:23 |
| nyergler | (or even know about it) | 18:23 |
| dithyramble | Yeah | 18:23 |
| dithyramble | I'm trying to make our RDFa parsing logic into a plugin | 18:23 |
| nyergler | right... so IIRC filter gets the ParseResult, which gives you access to the full text of the document | 18:24 |
| nyergler | (that was retrieved) | 18:24 |
| nyergler | at that point I'd pass it through the parser... from the nutch side it's sort of a no-op filter, but it grabs the document when we have access to it and shoves the triples into the store | 18:25 |
| dithyramble | Yeah, that's the part I'm working on now. But I realize that this plugin will add triples, whereas the other plugins (afaik) rely on other classes to add triples. That's ok by you? | 18:25 |
| dithyramble | (parsing the text of the ParseResult is what I'm working on now) | 18:25 |
| nyergler | other plugins have nothing to do with triples | 18:25 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: so yeah, I found out the issue... | 18:25 |
| dithyramble | Ah. | 18:25 |
| paroneayea | actually, I'll follow up via email | 18:26 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, ok | 18:26 |
| dithyramble | I guess I was confused because they deal with metadata. I figured that meant that at some point they were accessing our triple store. | 18:26 |
| dithyramble | But that's not correct? | 18:26 |
| nyergler | dithyramble, correct, that's not correct :) | 18:26 |
| dithyramble | hehe | 18:27 |
| dithyramble | thanks | 18:27 |
| nyergler | remember, the triple store is something we added | 18:27 |
| nyergler | so they just add information as Lucene Fields to the individual Documents | 18:27 |
| nyergler | dithyramble, wrt to writing directly to the rdfstore, i assume you're referring to JenaStatementSink? | 18:27 |
| dithyramble | That's right | 18:27 |
| dithyramble | Ah, re lucene fields, I see. | 18:27 |
| nyergler | dithyramble, and we're using a context for the RDFa triples that's scoped to the document's URI, right? (not sure if i'm asking that correctly) | 18:29 |
| nyergler | that is, what URI are we passing into the call to get the appropriate store? | 18:30 |
| dithyramble | The document URI, that's right. | 18:30 |
| nyergler | dithyramble, so it seems like we should be able to just pass that model in to the statement sink, right? | 18:31 |
| nyergler | (we may need to add an accessor, i guess, like getModel) | 18:31 |
| nyergler | to the RdfStore class, that is | 18:31 |
| dithyramble | I think it has one. | 18:32 |
| dithyramble | And yes, that's what I'm doing. | 18:32 |
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| dithyramble | I have a test that we can retrieve metadata begat by rdfa from the document's named graph. The test passes. | 18:33 |
| nyergler | dithyramble, so is there an issue with java-rdfa? :) | 18:33 |
| dithyramble | Nope, just with turning it into a plugin so we don't hit the network twice per document. | 18:34 |
| nyergler | right | 18:34 |
| dithyramble | I think I have a good idea of what to do now. And I won't worry that the plugin I'm creating is contacting the triple store -- that makes perfect sense. | 18:35 |
| nyergler | great | 18:37 |
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| paroneayea | nyergler: sent | 18:55 |
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| nyergler | paroneayea, replied | 19:31 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: thx | 19:33 |
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| paroneayea | JED3: nkinkade: are we having a tech call? | 20:25 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: tomorrow yes | 20:26 |
| paroneayea | oh | 20:26 |
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| dithyramble | nyergler: I've added a file called CCRDFaParser.java to the Nutch CC package. Is this the right thing to do? | 21:28 |
| nyergler | dithyramble, can you be more specific about which package? | 21:28 |
| dithyramble | org.creativecommons.nutch | 21:28 |
| nyergler | it should go in the cclearn plugin | 21:28 |
| dithyramble | k | 21:28 |
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| nyergler | the creativecommons plugin is shipped with nutch, we don't touch it | 21:29 |
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| dithyramble | nyergler: Somehow the class isn't being detected yet. | 21:34 |
| dithyramble | I've added this to src/plugin/cclearn/plugin.xml: | 21:34 |
| dithyramble | <extension id="org.creativecommons.learn.RDFaParser" | 21:34 |
| dithyramble | name="RDFa Parser" | 21:34 |
| dithyramble | point="org.apache.nutch.parse.HtmlParseFilter"> | 21:34 |
| dithyramble | <implementation id="RDFaParser" | 21:34 |
| dithyramble | class="org.creativecommons.learn.RDFaParser" /> | 21:34 |
| dithyramble | </extension> | 21:34 |
| dithyramble | yikes. sorry that looks so ugly. | 21:34 |
| dithyramble | Does that look kosher? | 21:35 |
| dithyramble | Nevermind, I'm trying a different approach. | 21:47 |
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| nyergler | dithyramble, that does look kosher, fwiw | 22:32 |
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| Nonpython | What other licenses can I put something under CC BY-NC-SA? | 23:50 |
| Nonpython | I mean a derivative work. | 23:52 |
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