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| jgay | question, in CC SA licenses, is there a clause that says you can *not* say that there can be no fee associated with redistribution? | 02:49 |
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| Samus_Aran | jgay: that's a lot of reverals in that sentence. *head explodes* | 02:52 |
| jgay | is it "royalty-free" -- is that equivalent? | 02:53 |
| jgay | yeah, i think that is royalty | 02:54 |
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| HvD | Hi there, short question, I made an image of my girlfriend, and like all newer pictures I would also like to put it under a CC-license. However since my gf is on the image, I don't know what rights I would still have if somebody would use the picture in an context I or she would not be happy with (say extremists, or pornorpahic) | 09:52 |
| HvD | So the question is, could I still enforce that the image is not beinung used in certain contexts or is it free for *everything* as soon as i put it under the CC licence | 09:53 |
| HvD | or does anybody know, where I should ask the question instead? | 10:26 |
| Samus_Aran | you could use the license that doesn't allow derivative works | 10:55 |
| Samus_Aran | or I suppose modify the other one with further limitations. it's your copyright, you can release it as little or as much as you like. :) | 10:56 |
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| HvD | yes, but the question is, can I put it under CC and yet keep control only over these issues | 11:23 |
| HvD | it's on flickr and flickr offers some sort of cc licences | 11:24 |
| HvD | not an easy question i know, but what exactly is considered as derived work in the context of images? | 11:24 |
| HvD | let's say somebody does not modify the image, but include it in something bigger, e.g. an calendar, would the calendar be considered a derived work? | 11:25 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: You don't by chance know anything about the API on a8, do you? | 17:29 |
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| greg-g | is there a difinitive listing of valid CC license URLs? | 17:44 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: ^ | 17:45 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: nope... | 17:50 |
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| nkinkade | greg-g: What sort of listing? | 18:01 |
| nkinkade | There is an RDF file. | 18:01 |
| greg-g | ooo, linky? | 18:02 |
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| greg-g | I just want to give a developer a list of URLs (or correct regex) he can use to test for valid CC urls | 18:02 |
| nkinkade | http://creativecommons.org/licenses/index.rdf | 18:02 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: ^^ | 18:02 |
| greg-g | .... loading.... | 18:02 |
| nkinkade | That should contain all the license URLs, and a raft of other stuff. | 18:03 |
| greg-g | yeah, no kidding :) | 18:05 |
| greg-g | what the heck, there is a 2.1 license? http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.1/es/ | 18:11 |
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| luisv | greg-g: only for some of the internationals; IIRC it had something to do with performing rights societies, maybe? | 18:19 |
| * luisv ran into jp 2.1 the other day too | 18:19 | |
| greg-g | luisv: weird, | 18:19 |
| greg-g | makes checking for license URLS a bit tricky | 18:20 |
| greg-g | trickier | 18:20 |
| paroneayea | 2.1 RC 7 Alpha 0 | 18:20 |
| luisv | don't laugh | 18:25 |
| luisv | there will be a MPL 2 alpha 1 soon ;) | 18:25 |
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| paroneayea | :) | 18:25 |
| paroneayea | if the legalsystem is a codebase, who writes the unit tests? | 18:26 |
| luisv | what are these 'unit tests' you speak of? | 18:26 |
| luisv | :) | 18:26 |
| greg-g | paroneayea: nice | 18:26 |
| greg-g | paroneayea: I sense a blog post coming out of that comment | 18:26 |
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| paroneayea | greg-g: do it | 18:28 |
| * greg-g adds it to his list of things to do at night, that never gets done :( | 18:28 | |
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| paroneayea | http://identi.ca/notice/24976890 | 18:33 |
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| JED3 | nathany: ping | 18:43 |
| JED3 | do you have any objections to moving api-dev to a 1.6 version and replacing dev with the latest work? | 18:44 |
| JED3 | or just get rid of the current dev version altogether? | 18:45 |
| nathany | JED3, hrm... | 18:46 |
| nathany | i'd say just back-up what's there now and replace if we think it's compatible, right? | 18:47 |
| JED3 | actually replacing dev probably isn't wise right now | 18:47 |
| JED3 | well there are some incompatibilities i think | 18:47 |
| nathany | JED3, fair enough; i'd say that doing something like "staging" is probably the place to run semi-stable/complete | 18:47 |
| nathany | i don't think calling dev 1.6 is going to buy us anything -- no client software is going to re-target 1.6 immediately, so we'll still be breaking things for them | 18:48 |
| JED3 | yeah i agree, is there a better name than 'staging'? | 18:49 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: http://packages.python.org/NagAconda/ this could be useful at some point | 18:52 |
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| nkinkade | JED3: I'm not sure I understand exactly what that module aims to do. | 19:12 |
| nkinkade | ... just to abstract some of the weird and cryptic configurations of Nagios and it's plugins? | 19:12 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: ping | 21:13 |
| paroneayea | JED3: pong | 21:14 |
| paroneayea | sup | 21:15 |
| JED3 | hi, excuse me if i've asked this before but is the CC0 selector's title supposed to be "zero" | 21:15 |
| paroneayea | yes | 21:15 |
| paroneayea | it was CC0 then nathany asked that I change it | 21:15 |
| JED3 | i thought the selector's id was suppoed to be "zero" and it's title to be "CC0" | 21:15 |
| JED3 | oh okay | 21:15 |
| paroneayea | oh | 21:15 |
| paroneayea | hm | 21:16 |
| paroneayea | wait, that may be a good point :) | 21:16 |
| JED3 | >>> cc.license.selectors.choose('zero').title() | 21:16 |
| JED3 | u'zero' | 21:16 |
| JED3 | to me CC0 makes more sense, plus it has no need for i18n'ing if its an acronym | 21:17 |
| paroneayea | okay, hm, I don't remember :) | 21:17 |
| paroneayea | appears I changed them in the same commit though. | 21:18 |
| paroneayea | yes that probably makes sense to have it be CC0 | 21:18 |
| paroneayea | nathany: ? | 21:18 |
| paroneayea | ^^ | 21:18 |
| nathany | what is cc.license.selectors.choose('standard').title() ? | 21:18 |
| nathany | (yes, CC0 does seem more reasonable to me, just not sure where the chooser title gets used right now) | 21:19 |
| nathany | paroneayea, JED3 ^^ | 21:19 |
| paroneayea | <cc:LicenseSelector rdf:about="http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/"> | 21:19 |
| paroneayea | <dc:title xml:lang="en">zero</dc:title> | 21:19 |
| paroneayea | <cc:licenseCode>zero</cc:licenseCode> | 21:19 |
| paroneayea | </cc:LicenseSelector> | 21:19 |
| paroneayea | so presumably we'd move dc:title to be CC0 | 21:19 |
| nathany | that seems sane to me; licenseCode is what we use to actually select the selector, right? | 21:19 |
| JED3 | nathany: selectors.choose returns a Selectors for the passed license code | 21:20 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 21:20 |
| nathany | JED3, does that imply that the standard selector has half a dozen licenseCodes defined? | 21:20 |
| nathany | (by, by-nc, etc?) | 21:20 |
| JED3 | err sorry, not a license code, a license class | 21:20 |
| nathany | just making sure I'm thinking of the right thing | 21:20 |
| nathany | right, but we call it licenseCode :) | 21:21 |
| nathany | (in the RDF) | 21:21 |
| paroneayea | code for by, by-nc and etc are "standard" | 21:21 |
| paroneayea | but I think JED3 isn't talking about modifying the license code amirite? | 21:21 |
| nathany | so yes, title as CC0 makes sense to me | 21:21 |
| paroneayea | just the dc:title | 21:21 |
| nathany | right | 21:21 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: correct, just the dc:title | 21:21 |
| nathany | but now I'm curious, when did we start using cc:licenseCode? | 21:22 |
| nathany | seems... a litle weird (sorry, i'm not trying to nitpick, just want us to plausibly be able to claim knowledge and leadership on these sorts of things ;) ) | 21:22 |
| paroneayea | 63:15ab4aef rdf/selectors.rdf (nyergler 2008-07-09 18:29:13 +0000 63) <cc:licenseCode>standard</cc:licenseCode> | 21:22 |
| paroneayea | 2008-07-09 by nyergler! | 21:22 |
| nathany | wow, i'm dumb | 21:23 |
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| paroneayea | nathany: you should yell at that nyergler guy maybe | 21:23 |
| nathany | paroneayea, i hear nyergler is a real dick -- impossible to work with | 21:23 |
| paroneayea | I'll send him a PM | 21:23 |
| paroneayea | /msg nyergler nathany is mad at your RDF decisions | 21:24 |
| paroneayea | /msg nyergler you're in trouuuuuubleeeee | 21:24 |
| nathany | lol | 21:24 |
| nathany | ok, quick question: | 21:24 |
| nathany | er, nevermind | 21:24 |
| nathany | ok, i'll ask (sorry) -- how hard would it be to do dc:identifier instead of cc:licenseCode? | 21:25 |
| nathany | (super lower priorirty, but it'd be one less CC-ism, which is good, I think) | 21:25 |
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| nathany | paroneayea, JED3 ^^ | 21:27 |
| paroneayea | I don't think it would be too hard | 21:27 |
| paroneayea | considering the only thing I know of that queries that file directly is the rdf_helper.py module in cc.license | 21:27 |
| paroneayea | oh | 21:27 |
| paroneayea | and the license.rdf tools | 21:27 |
| nathany | not too hard ~= 2 hrs? 4? | 21:28 |
| paroneayea | yeah, not hard | 21:29 |
| paroneayea | should wait till after I finish writing these unit tests probably :) | 21:29 |
| nathany | yes, please; thank you! | 21:30 |
| nathany | I'll note this in nyergler's annual review | 21:30 |
| paroneayea | haha | 21:31 |
| paroneayea | while writing the tests for the ./bin/jurisdiction info subcommand, I came to realize that it could be more helpful | 21:31 |
| paroneayea | http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/title Estados Unidos | 21:31 |
| paroneayea | http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/title Etats-Unis | 21:31 |
| paroneayea | http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/title Estados Unidos | 21:31 |
| paroneayea | doesn't give the xml:lang there | 21:31 |
| nathany | ah | 21:31 |
| paroneayea | maybe might be nice to additionally print the xml:lang if it exists? | 21:32 |
| nathany | probably, yes | 21:32 |
| paroneayea | so: http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/title fr-ca Etats-Unis | 21:32 |
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| paroneayea | I can do that pretty quickly I think | 21:32 |
| nathany | great | 21:33 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: i have another question ;) | 21:35 |
| paroneayea | JED3: I have another listening slot | 21:36 |
| JED3 | how often is cc.license.locales() used throughout cc.license and engine? | 21:36 |
| paroneayea | uhhh | 21:36 |
| paroneayea | I'm not sure. I don't think I've used it. | 21:37 |
| JED3 | okay, it would be nice to have labels for the locales | 21:37 |
| JED3 | so i guess my question is, would it make more sense to add the labels to the list returned by locales() or to write another function in lib/functions to be something like localelabels()? | 21:40 |
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| paroneayea | I don't know :\ | 21:43 |
| paroneayea | JED3: I can say at least that cc.engine doesn't use .locales() directly | 21:45 |
| paroneayea | may do so indirectly though, I'm not sure | 21:46 |
| JED3 | okay | 21:46 |
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| JED3 | http://creativecommons.org/choose/publicdomain is the partner interface supposed to open for that url? | 22:31 |
| paroneayea | oh whoa | 22:31 |
| paroneayea | I don't think so | 22:31 |
| paroneayea | oh wait maybe yes. | 22:32 |
| paroneayea | http://staging.creativecommons.org/choose/publicdomain | 22:32 |
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| paroneayea | never mind I am going to say yes :) | 22:32 |
| paroneayea | because it works the same way in the current zope version and in the staging version | 22:32 |
| paroneayea | so if it wasn't supposed to, it has been for a long while without anyone noticing at least... | 22:32 |
| paroneayea | long enough for me to reimplement it that way! | 22:32 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: What's up with Helvetica? | 22:48 |
| mralex | nkinkade: what about it? | 22:49 |
| nkinkade | You seem to like it very much, or at least be fascinated by it. | 22:49 |
| nkinkade | You linked to some Helvetica film a while back. | 22:49 |
| nkinkade | I'm just curious about why the interest in it? | 22:49 |
| nkinkade | Or you could have been poking fun at it. | 22:50 |
| nkinkade | mralex: ^^ | 22:51 |
| mralex | nkinkade: it's tough to explain Helvetica. | 22:51 |
| mralex | it's biblical in stature | 22:51 |
| mralex | and also the very defintion of generic and commonplace | 22:51 |
| mralex | the film is very interesting not only in how the font was developed and designed, but how it has changed society and culture | 22:54 |
| JED3 | mralex: did you see the Arial bashing video? | 22:55 |
| mralex | JED3: im not sure ;) | 22:56 |
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| JED3 | mralex: ehh i can't find it now | 22:59 |
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| JED3 | i did stumble upon a blog claiming arial was the best font for programming which made me chuckle | 22:59 |
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| JED3 | mralex: found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwuFCBwVYFw has profanity | 23:00 |
| mralex | that kid's kinda irritating | 23:02 |
| mralex | but it's all true :/ | 23:02 |
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| JED3 | mralex: he's *very* irritating | 23:10 |
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