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| paroneayea | +===========+ | 17:33 |
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| paroneayea | || o o _o || | 17:33 |
| paroneayea | || Y M | || | 17:33 |
| paroneayea | || ^ ^ ^ || | 17:33 |
| paroneayea | |+------,-------------------- | 17:33 |
| paroneayea | | TEAMWO| _____ | 17:33 |
| paroneayea | +-------| | MAY | | 17:33 |
| paroneayea | | |#####| | 17:34 |
| paroneayea | | |#####| | 17:34 |
| paroneayea | | ,-,'-----' || | 17:34 |
| paroneayea | | | | ||\ | 17:34 |
| paroneayea | \|/ ,,, | |_| ||\| | 17:34 |
| paroneayea | \|/ c/u_u\ | ||____ _===__===_ | 17:34 |
| paroneayea | === |\ |=u | |_____) | -------- | 17:34 |
| paroneayea | -\_/--'b b'----------|____||____| |______| | 17:34 |
| paroneayea | O O '-' ' | 17:34 |
| paroneayea | grab ur tea and coffee because it's mondayyyyyyyyyyyy | 17:34 |
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| Snadder | Anyone here? | 17:53 |
| Snadder | I'm wondring about the Attribution + ShareAlike (by-sa) licence.. | 17:54 |
| greg-g | Snadder: what is your question? | 17:55 |
| Snadder | If someone adds a some php code (as an module) to my work.. will that code also need to be published with the same lisence? | 17:56 |
| greg-g | waht is your work? | 17:56 |
| greg-g | what* | 17:56 |
| Snadder | Is it some python or php code (not compiled). | 17:56 |
| greg-g | It is not recommended (in fact, it is recommended against) using a CC license for soruce code | 17:57 |
| Snadder | Why? | 17:57 |
| greg-g | because the licenses were not written with source code in mind, and source code is such a different type of content. | 17:57 |
| greg-g | if you want BY-SA like terms, I would suggest using the GPL | 17:58 |
| Snadder | greg-g, But as I understand.. when I distribute php code, its not possible to "link" php code with other php code.. so derivative work wont be affected by GPL. | 18:00 |
| Snadder | Maybe i'm wrong.. but linking dosnt happend when someone use my php api to greate extentions.. | 18:01 |
| Snadder | create* | 18:01 |
| greg-g | if someone uses your API they aren't creating a derivative of your under the GPL or CC licenses | 18:01 |
| greg-g | s/of your/of your work/ | 18:02 |
| Snadder | Ah, ok. | 18:02 |
| greg-g | I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, of course | 18:02 |
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| Snadder | But when someone changes functionality inside the api.. when its considered derivative work? | 18:02 |
| greg-g | if someone takes your work and changes that work, ie: edits your code | 18:03 |
| Snadder | even if its php code or possible compiled code? | 18:03 |
| Snadder | Ok.. cool.. didnt know that. | 18:03 |
| greg-g | or, incorporates your work into a larger work, not just using your API, but using a piece of your code within their code | 18:04 |
| greg-g | even if they didn't change your code, they have created a derivative | 18:04 |
| Snadder | Exactly. | 18:04 |
| greg-g | the distinction is the use of your API (not a derivative) or the use of your code itself (a derivative, probably) | 18:05 |
| greg-g | again, I *strongly* recommend using the GPL instead of CC:BY-SA | 18:05 |
| greg-g | just like I wouldn't use a license that had similar goals to BY-SA but was written for automobiles for my photographs | 18:06 |
| Snadder | Ok. | 18:07 |
| Snadder | But my code will be in 3 diffrent layers.. so its an api's between layer 1 and 2.. and layer 2 and 3.. | 18:08 |
| Snadder | If someone replaces one layer.. or use layer 3.. or whatever.. then I want to force them to use GPL.. or simular lisence.. | 18:09 |
| Snadder | greg-g, is that possible? | 18:09 |
| greg-g | I'm not a GPL expert | 18:10 |
| greg-g | sorry | 18:10 |
| Snadder | greg-g, to put it simple, I want use of api to be considered derivative work. | 18:10 |
| Snadder | Ok. | 18:10 |
| Snadder | I'll probably find a gpl channel.. | 18:10 |
| Snadder | greg-g, but I dont think gpl cover this.. and i'm looking for a licence which does. | 18:11 |
| greg-g | well, the CC licenses don't say the use of an API is a derivative | 18:11 |
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| Snadder | greg-g, so everyone is free to use my api as much as they like... with properitary code?.. I dont want that. | 18:12 |
| greg-g | then you need to indicate that by a separate license that you write, unfortunately. | 18:13 |
| Snadder | greg-g, do you know about an gpl channel? | 18:13 |
| Snadder | greg-g, ok.. what about an licence which forces people who create an website with your code to publish it? | 18:14 |
| Snadder | After what I understand.. gpl only require you to publish source code when you give it away.. and not when you put up an website with that code. | 18:15 |
| Snadder | ..I think I need an GPL channel. | 18:15 |
| greg-g | #fsf | 18:26 |
| greg-g | Snadder: sorry, was talking to my boss (this isn't my work ;) ) | 18:27 |
| greg-g | you're thinking of the AGPL | 18:27 |
| Snadder | greg-g, thanks! | 18:31 |
| greg-g | no problem! good luck | 18:31 |
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| akozak | mralex, did you get this album? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcqifERzmkw | 19:35 |
| mralex | akozak: i saw you twittered about it. i haven't yet. | 19:36 |
| akozak | mralex, its definitely more similar to quaristice than any of their older stuff. | 19:36 |
| mralex | akozak: possibly also relevant to your interests: The Knife released a new album recently, an opera based on Darwin's Origin of the species | 19:36 |
| akozak | heh sounds awesome | 19:37 |
| mralex | very | 19:37 |
| mralex | akozak: dang, this track is rad | 19:38 |
| akozak | they're usually a bit dancy for me but ill check this out | 19:38 |
| akozak | yea that album is nuts with good speakers | 19:39 |
| akozak | but so is all of autechre :) | 19:39 |
| mralex | yeah, it's less dance, more deep operatic - something to get lost in | 19:39 |
| mralex | rigth ;) | 19:39 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: ping | 20:05 |
| paroneayea | JED3: poing | 20:05 |
| JED3 | hi, cc.license.jurisdictions.list()... | 20:06 |
| paroneayea | that's not my name, but hello also to you | 20:06 |
| paroneayea | jk jk | 20:06 |
| JED3 | haha, well 'hello.' | 20:07 |
| JED3 | sorry i had more to say there but my buffer got effed up some how | 20:07 |
| paroneayea | oh | 20:07 |
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| JED3 | so i had 2 questions, why do some of the jurisdictions not have a local_url attribute? | 20:08 |
| JED3 | and I am getting an exception with locale_dict_fetch_with_fallbacks when it tries to fallback on 'en' but there is no english translation for that string | 20:09 |
| JED3 | namely, the Ecuador juri fails on returning a local title for 'en' | 20:11 |
| paroneayea | could you give me some example python code | 20:11 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: http://dpaste.com/169572/ | 20:14 |
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| paroneayea | ok, looking | 20:17 |
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| paroneayea | JED3-curry: so, if you open license.rdf-git/cc/licenserdf/rdf/jurisdictions.rdf | 20:31 |
| paroneayea | <cc:Jurisdiction rdf:about="http://creativecommons.org/international/ec/"> | 20:31 |
| paroneayea | <cc:launched rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-datatypes#boolean">true</cc:launched> | 20:31 |
| paroneayea | </cc:Jurisdiction> | 20:31 |
| paroneayea | there are simply no titles for that jurisdiction | 20:31 |
| paroneayea | in *any* language | 20:31 |
| paroneayea | hence why it died | 20:31 |
| paulproteus | Oh, Ecuador. | 20:31 |
| * paulproteus looks for nkinkade but he is nowhere to be found. | 20:31 | |
| paroneayea | he knew this was happen, he is on the run | 20:32 |
| paroneayea | he is probably on a helicopter to Ecuador as we type | 20:32 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: ahh | 20:54 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: might be of interest to you: http://bottle.paws.de/ | 21:47 |
| paroneayea | JED3: hm, interesting, thanks | 21:48 |
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| mralex | nathany: in the new CC Network vision, people will get directed to support.cc/donate to donate & join, yes? or will there be a Join+OneClick on CC Network somewhere? | 23:03 |
| nathany | mralex, i believe it'll all go through support; the "join" messaging is being deprecated -- the way you "join" is by "donating" | 23:04 |
| mralex | nathany: right. wasn't sure if that idea had changed, you brought up oneclick implementation details a week or so ago. :) | 23:05 |
| nathany | mralex, hrm, i may have :) | 23:05 |
| nathany | i see this as primarily a messaging question -- doesn't really matter where the tx originates | 23:06 |
| mralex | with regards to credit cards? | 23:06 |
| nathany | mralex, i don't know what you mean by "with regards to cc" | 23:07 |
| nathany | referring to your most recent email? | 23:07 |
| mralex | just now, yes | 23:08 |
| nathany | right, i see your point, but i'm not sure that cuts it -- i suspect it'd be clearer to include it in the dialog if we think there's going to be confusion (as opposed to "hey, in 10 seconds you'll see a new form, and here are the instructions for that") | 23:08 |
| mralex | i was thinking of it more as being up front and saying "these are the options available to you", without cluttering the dialog | 23:10 |
| paroneayea | <mralex> with regards to credit cards? | 23:10 |
| paroneayea | <nathany> mralex, i don't know what you mean by "with regards to cc" | 23:10 |
| paroneayea | Sorry nathany and mralex, I have to let you know that #cc doesn't mean "credit cards", please read the topic | 23:11 |
| paroneayea | jk jk | 23:11 |
| nathany | lol | 23:11 |
| mralex | :P | 23:11 |
| nathany | paroneayea, this will be noted in your annual review ;) | 23:11 |
| nathany | jk jk ;) | 23:11 |
| paroneayea | :) | 23:11 |
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