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| sparr | paulproteus: thanks, that is what I am trying for | 04:20 |
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| paulproteus | sparr: (-: | 10:41 |
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| senio | hi | 14:15 |
| paroneayea | hi | 14:18 |
| senio | hi paroneayea | 14:19 |
| senio | i need some help | 14:20 |
| senio | it's something easy | 14:20 |
| senio | we (me and some colleages) are working in a University project in asturian language | 14:21 |
| senio | asturian (=Nothern Spain) | 14:21 |
| senio | we would like to use de CC atribution, but it is not available in asturian | 14:22 |
| senio | and we would like to create this version | 14:22 |
| senio | would it be possible? | 14:22 |
| paroneayea | use the unported version of the license | 14:29 |
| senio | thanks, but i would like to translate it to my language | 14:37 |
| paroneayea | ah, translation | 14:44 |
| JoiIto | email Diane Peters | 15:08 |
| JoiIto | diane at creativecommons.org | 15:08 |
| JoiIto | we have other requests like this and are working on a possible plan | 15:08 |
| senio | ok, thank you very much | 15:15 |
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| nkinkade | senio: Actually, I think CC Spain is currently working on translating to Asturian. | 15:39 |
| nkinkade | No need to contact Diane Peters. | 15:39 |
| nkinkade | You are better off contacting CC Spain directly: | 15:39 |
| nkinkade | http://es.creativecommons.org | 15:39 |
| nkinkade | http://creativecommons.org/international/es/ | 15:39 |
| nkinkade | There should be contact info in those places ... | 15:40 |
| nkinkade | senio: Strike that ... in fact I just checked my email and CC Spain's project lead sent me the Asturian licenses just yesterday ... they should probably go live in the next week or two. | 15:40 |
| senio | oh, that's great | 15:41 |
| senio | thank you for your help | 15:41 |
| nkinkade | senio: I just saw your email to info@creativecommons.org, as well. | 15:41 |
| nkinkade | senio: I'll reply to that email and also copy Ignasi, CC Spain's project lead ... the two of you can then communicate directly if need be. | 15:42 |
| senio | fine, we are working in asturian and it would be great for us to have a version of cc in our language | 15:43 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: so after a long time wasted writing my own backup scripts, I realized I was just implementing a less-feature-rich dirvish | 15:49 |
| paroneayea | (well, not a *long* time, a bit over an hour revising the scripts) | 15:49 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: :-) | 15:49 |
| paroneayea | so I switched to dirvish | 15:49 |
| nkinkade | I've been pretty happy with Dirvish. | 15:50 |
| nkinkade | I know there is another backup program that implements rsync's hard-linking functionality, but I can't remember the name just now ... | 15:50 |
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| nkinkade | For the most part Dirvish is just a wrapper to rsync. | 15:51 |
| paroneayea | which is what I like about it | 15:52 |
| paroneayea | since that is what my shell scripts were anyway | 15:52 |
| paroneayea | mostly, I wanted to implement expiration of snapshots, but I didn't want to put rm -rf in my code myself :P | 15:52 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Dirvish handles expiration of images, and it's fairly detailed if you want it to be. | 15:53 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 15:53 |
| paroneayea | one of the reasons I went for it :) | 15:54 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: I just upgraded support to Drupal 6.15. | 19:35 |
| nkinkade | Everything seems fine, but as usual just keep your eyes open and/or even poke around a bit to see it things seem okay to you too. | 19:35 |
| lotia | any folks here done any development in drupal? custom modules and/or many custom node types? | 19:38 |
| nkinkade | lotia: I have done a very very tiny bit, probably not even enough to be able to help you. | 19:47 |
| lotia | nkinkade: i'm just wondering if you have experienced the same "not invented here" flavour in the project. | 19:47 |
| nkinkade | lotia: How do you mean? | 19:48 |
| nkinkade | (sorry if I'm being dense)_ | 19:48 |
| nkinkade | do you mean "invited" | 19:48 |
| lotia | its hard to simply use a PHP module. one has to use a drupal module instead that wraps it. | 19:48 |
| lotia | just trying to figure out why i don't think its as awesome as many of my peers do. i'd rather be coding python, and possibly even perl. | 19:49 |
| nkinkade | You feel like they are reinventing the APIs rather than just using the standards ones? | 19:49 |
| lotia | nkinkade: correct. | 19:50 |
| lotia | the larger question is also, what am i missing that results in me not seeing the generally observed "awesomeness" of drupal | 19:50 |
| nkinkade | But the module work I did was just upgrading a custom CC Drupal module ... so I didn't really get too deep into Drupal. I know there are people who swear by Drupal. | 19:50 |
| nkinkade | To be honest I have rarely ever touched any code written by someone else that didn't seem overly complicated and convoluted. | 19:51 |
| lotia | nkinkade: hah. | 19:51 |
| nkinkade | Serious. And that include Python code. | 19:51 |
| mralex | drupal templating is often a pain in the ass | 19:51 |
| mralex | with different modules relying on different engines | 19:51 |
| lotia | mralex: one issue. the core claims to be database agnostic, but uses its own ORM/DBAL instead of one of several preexisting ones. also modules break database agnosticism | 19:52 |
| mralex | lotia: yeah, soemtimes you have to go straight to the DB to get what you want. | 19:53 |
| mralex | lotia: it's not like WordPress' db interface, which is much nicer | 19:53 |
| JED3 | mralex: heh comparing two terds there imo | 19:54 |
| mralex | (not that WP is nice. WP is a total mess. ) | 19:54 |
| nkinkade | most large project are, i think. | 19:54 |
| lotia | in general writing PHP doesn't make me happy. i'm at a loss about why. anyone else care to elaborate why writing PHP doesn't make them happy? | 19:54 |
| mralex | PHP turns into messy spaghetti really quickly | 19:54 |
| greg-g | :) | 19:55 |
| nkinkade | I don't think PHP has to be messy, though many people may write it that way. | 19:55 |
| JED3 | lotia: PHP isn't bad if you stay OO and don't inline html with app code | 19:55 |
| nkinkade | In my experience every language ends up into messy spaghetti really quickly. | 19:55 |
| nkinkade | though I have to admit that my experience isn't all that deep. | 19:56 |
| mralex | true, most languages can | 19:56 |
| mralex | php seems especially prone | 19:56 |
| nkinkade | I've never seen a program that was more than a few file written in PHP, Python, Perl or bash that wasn't a total mess and incomprehensible for the uninitiated. | 19:57 |
| lotia | mralex: PHP vs. Perl which one do you find more prone to messiness. | 19:57 |
| JED3 | mralex: its the language's power that incubates poor programming | 19:57 |
| JED3 | i.e. thanks to mod_php mostly | 19:57 |
| mralex | right | 19:57 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Do you mean power or flexibility? | 19:57 |
| nkinkade | Or both? | 19:57 |
| mralex | it's so easy to pick up and use php | 19:58 |
| JED3 | both | 19:58 |
| lotia | mralex: IMHO thats both a bug and a feature. | 19:58 |
| lotia | i've seen some atrocious sample code in PHP land that simply wouldn't work in Python or even Java. | 19:58 |
| nkinkade | PHP is a very useful and practical tool. | 19:58 |
| mralex | most other languages need something resembling a framework to work on the web. a little more structure than you need with php. | 19:59 |
| nkinkade | I have found it great as a replacement for more complex shell scripting, for example. | 19:59 |
| lotia | nkinkade: agreed. and the large collection of wonderful PHP based tools is a testament to that usefulness. | 19:59 |
| lotia | nkinkade: i personally prefer to script in Perl or Python | 19:59 |
| nkinkade | PHP has such a massive amount of builtin functions that make it really quick to do one-off scripts. | 20:00 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, I guess CPAN helps there. | 20:00 |
| lotia | i'm still wondering about what i'm missing as far as Drupal is concerned. current embroiled in learning about Drupal 6.x | 20:00 |
| JED3 | lotia: I don't get it either and i've used Drupal for several years | 20:01 |
| nkinkade | I hope I don't ever feel obliged to learn the internals of Drupal. | 20:01 |
| nkinkade | I'm content with installing the files and then running /update.php. :-) | 20:02 |
| lotia | nkinkade: I think i simply have a mental block. working on clearing it. May actually be a wonderful world with unicorns and ponies. | 20:02 |
| nkinkade | haha | 20:02 |
| mralex | lotia: if you want unicorns go django :P | 20:02 |
| JED3 | I call drupal developers "web technology isolationists" | 20:03 |
| * lotia has played with django and really does like it. | 20:03 | |
| nkinkade | Since I'm using Gallery3 for my photo software I was recently exposed very minimally to Kohana. It has got me curious to know more about it. | 20:03 |
| JED3 | all of Drupal's highly acclaimed features are available in virtually every other CMS intensive framework, just designed bass ackwards | 20:04 |
| lotia | JED3: it appears to me that the hackability of it and huge base of modules are a big draw. | 20:05 |
| lotia | there are many wiki platforms other than mediawiki, but mediawiki appears dominant. | 20:05 |
| nkinkade | Mediawiki is another code base that I hate trying to wade through. | 20:06 |
| nkinkade | It's more a question of ignorance on my part that some defect in the code in most of the cases, I believe. | 20:07 |
| nkinkade | *than | 20:07 |
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| lotia | mralex: i thought django had ponys | 22:55 |
| mralex | what's a unicorn than a pony with magical powers and accessories | 22:56 |
| lotia | http://djangopony.com/ | 22:57 |
| mralex | ;) | 22:57 |
| lotia | well a tusk/horn for one thing | 22:57 |
| mralex | accessory | 22:57 |
| mralex | (original mascot as a unicorn, mislabeled as a pony) | 22:58 |
| mralex | (but i digress) | 22:58 |
| akozak | kaboom | 23:00 |
| lotia | actually, unicorns ponies may not get along according to this image yielded from a quick google search http://www.society6.com/studio/devinmcgrath/Unicorn_Destroyer_of_Ponies | 23:01 |
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