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| NTFS | so if the someone dosent attribute me its copyright infringment? | 03:32 |
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| greg-g | basically. You should contact the person first, ask them to follow the terms of the license your work is licensed under. | 03:34 |
| greg-g | IANAL, TINLA (I am Not a lawyer, this is not legal advice) | 03:34 |
| NTFS | ok its a company though the MBTA i think i asked this the other day | 03:38 |
| NTFS | i dont remember | 03:38 |
| greg-g | yes, you did. Have you contacted them yet? | 03:41 |
| NTFS | they were closed | 03:43 |
| NTFS | they open tomorrow morning | 03:43 |
| NTFS | so tell them they have to follow the license? | 03:44 |
| greg-g | Yep. | 03:44 |
| NTFS | if they dont i can file a DMCA? | 03:44 |
| greg-g | that is one option | 03:44 |
| greg-g | consulting a real lawyer is always suggested | 03:44 |
| NTFS | i dont have the money for a lawyer | 03:45 |
| greg-g | yeah, such is the world we live in :( | 03:45 |
| greg-g | here is one court case involving CC licenses, just for your information: http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5823 | 03:46 |
| NTFS | intresting | 03:49 |
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| yngress | Hello, I didn't find that one in the FAQ or have read over it... when using ShareAlike media in your own works, does the associated "portage country" matter? | 13:45 |
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| greg-g | yngress: no, the licenses explicityly say that any of the ported licenses are compatible. So BY-SA US is compatible with BY-SA UK, for example | 14:19 |
| yngress | greg-g: Oh okay, thank you. :) | 14:20 |
| greg-g | yngress: no problem! | 14:21 |
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| greg-g | oh, the guinness brewery was on fire! | 14:31 |
| greg-g | http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/ireland/firefighters-contain-guinness-plant-blaze-439148.html | 14:31 |
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| HardDrive | Is it better to file a DMCA or contact a lawyer? | 15:33 |
| greg-g | I would formally write them a letter, keep a copy for yourself, send it certified mail (where they have to sign for it), and ask that they acknowledge the license terms that your photo was released under and request that they comply within 2 weeks. | 15:35 |
| greg-g | again, IANAL, TINLA | 15:35 |
| greg-g | that is, if you care enough to do all of this | 15:36 |
| HardDrive | ok | 15:37 |
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| HardDrive | The Legal department said they cant do anything about it | 15:48 |
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| greg-g | HardDrive: they are lying | 15:49 |
| HardDrive | he said email the MBTA customer support | 15:49 |
| greg-g | not a customer support issue, I would say | 15:50 |
| greg-g | You can use the word "DMCA" and/or "sue for copyright infringment" to hopefully get them to take you seriously. | 15:50 |
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| HardDrive | the legal department guy is lying, i asked customer support where to report copyright infringement and they said the legal department. | 15:53 |
| greg-g | exactly. | 15:54 |
| greg-g | I would start to use official communication, ie: not phones, but letters. | 15:54 |
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| HardDrive | I doubt an email to customer support will work, the email can be marked as a complaint though | 15:57 |
| greg-g | physical letters, I mean | 15:57 |
| HardDrive | oh | 15:58 |
| greg-g | hence the "certified mail" thing above | 15:59 |
| HardDrive | or would going directly there help? | 15:59 |
| greg-g | that could help as well, might try that first | 16:01 |
| greg-g | bring a physical copy/print out of the license your photo is under, highlight the important parts, and leave a copy with them. | 16:01 |
| greg-g | and be nice/respectful :) | 16:01 |
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| HardDrive | im being transferred to marketing now | 16:02 |
| HardDrive | yeah marketing fails i will pay the mbta a visit tomorrow | 16:03 |
| greg-g | good luck. Might I suggest writting up a nice blog post about this (if you have a blog)? | 16:05 |
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| HardDrive | good i am being transferred to the General manager of the MBTA | 16:08 |
| HardDrive | i give up im just going to go there tomorrow ive been thorugh 3 departments. 1 says contact the GM, | 16:13 |
| HardDrive | so on and so on | 16:13 |
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| HardDrive | I will try to start a blog if i have time today. | 16:16 |
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| paroneayea | ls | 18:13 |
| paroneayea | oops | 18:13 |
| paroneayea | I *meant* to type /names :P | 18:14 |
| paroneayea | also, good morning #cc, as I haven't said that yet | 18:14 |
| mralex | morning | 18:14 |
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| paroneayea | || o o _o || | 18:27 |
| paroneayea | || Y M | || | 18:27 |
| paroneayea | || ^ ^ ^ || | 18:27 |
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| paroneayea | | TEAMWO| _____ | 18:27 |
| paroneayea | +-------| | MAY | | 18:27 |
| paroneayea | | |#####| | 18:27 |
| paroneayea | | |#####| | 18:27 |
| paroneayea | | ,-,'-----' || | 18:27 |
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| paroneayea | \|/ ,,, | |_| ||\| | 18:27 |
| paroneayea | \|/ c/u_u\ | ||____ _===__===_ | 18:27 |
| paroneayea | === |\ |=u | |_____) | -------- | 18:27 |
| paroneayea | -\_/--'b b'----------|____||____| |______| | 18:27 |
| paroneayea | O O '-' ' | 18:27 |
| paroneayea | how's monday in the cc office | 18:28 |
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| nkinkade | How's Monday in Chicago? | 18:52 |
| nkinkade | It's chilly here in Miami Beach. | 18:52 |
| nkinkade | Not *that* cold, but I did have to close the windows. | 18:53 |
| mralex | SF is damp. | 18:53 |
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| greg-g | nkinkade: quit bragging | 19:08 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 19:08 |
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| HardDrive | What would be the next step after sending an email to the legal department if they dont respond or take the photo down? | 19:38 |
| HardDrive | DMCA | 19:38 |
| greg-g | this is starting to get into the realm where I feel uncomfortable giving you advice as I'm not a lawyer | 19:38 |
| HardDrive | oh yeah i forgot | 19:39 |
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| luisv | heh | 19:41 |
| luisv | good call, greg-g ;) | 19:41 |
| greg-g | luisv: thanks :) | 19:41 |
| luisv | though I do think the day is coming when, like the FSF/SFLC's GPL enforcement guides, CC will probably need an enforcement guide | 19:41 |
| greg-g | yeah :/ | 19:41 |
| greg-g | though I wouldn't feel comfortable writting that :) | 19:42 |
| luisv | haha | 19:43 |
| luisv | no | 19:43 |
| luisv | but of course | 19:43 |
| luisv | all the FSF/SFLC ones are written by non-lawyers | 19:43 |
| greg-g | that is true | 19:43 |
| luisv | I've always assumed to avoid the 'this is not legal advice' problem | 19:43 |
| luisv | though maybe that is just a historical quirk, dunno? | 19:43 |
| greg-g | maybe CC should get a Google Policy Fellow or normal intern to do it some summer | 19:43 |
| luisv | yeah | 19:44 |
| luisv | I would imagine that CC probably wants to avoid stirring up the enforcement hornet's nest too much, but I also imagine they get this kind of question on a regular basis | 19:45 |
| greg-g | I haven't really seen it too much in here at least. This is the first time someone has come back repeatedly for more advice (since I've started autojoining #cc) | 19:45 |
| greg-g | nkinkade would know better. many info@ emails about enforcement? | 19:46 |
| greg-g | (feel free to PM your response) | 19:46 |
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| akozak | nkinkade, is there any way we could reduce latency on the asterisk line? | 20:41 |
| nkinkade | akozak: How do you suggest to do it? | 20:41 |
| akozak | btw, sorry i didn't get to say bye :) | 20:41 |
| akozak | nkinkade, not sure. maybe reduce quality slightly? | 20:41 |
| nkinkade | (no problem on the goodbye thing ... I'll be back in Feb. :-) | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | Reducing the sound quality won't reduce the latency. | 20:42 |
| akozak | errr, yea that's right | 20:42 |
| akozak | hmm | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | Latency is probably inherent in the line and/or hardware. | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | Are you referring to a delay in the line? | 20:43 |
| akozak | Yea, maybe that's not latency | 20:43 |
| nkinkade | More to the point, what problem did you experience? | 20:43 |
| akozak | We were just on a call with Jane and someone else in NY and there was a significant enough delay that made having a conversation difficult... | 20:44 |
| nkinkade | Latency can certainly cause delays. | 20:44 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Using regular phones, or with software? | 20:44 |
| akozak | nkinkade, I believe we were all using regular phones. Jane might have been using a softphone. | 20:44 |
| akozak | But the other caller was on a cell. | 20:45 |
| nkinkade | Hmm. I'm not sure. I sensed that on the last staff call delay wasn't really a problem. I wonder if the problem is variable due to other factors like network usage in the CC office, for example. | 20:46 |
| akozak | That's possible. We've had the problem before, but it really only matters when you're trying to interject or respond quickly. | 20:47 |
| akozak | i.e. having a conversation. But otherwise it's been working great. | 20:48 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: Is the link "waived" at the bottom of this Deed working for you? | 21:18 |
| nkinkade | http://creativecommons.org/licenses/GPL/2.0/ | 21:18 |
| luisv | nkinkade: not working here | 21:41 |
| mralex | nkinkade: looks like it's supposed to be activating a popup | 21:41 |
| nkinkade | luisv: Thanks for the confirmation ... it wasn't working for myself and another person, but just wanted to be 100% sure. | 21:42 |
| nkinkade | http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue524 | 21:42 |
| nkinkade | I already submitted that ticket ^^ | 21:42 |
| luisv | firefox 3.6b6 here | 21:42 |
| luisv | FWIF | 21:42 |
| luisv | FWIW | 21:42 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Yeah ... see the above ticket ... assigned to paroneayea. | 21:42 |
| nkinkade | Assigning tickets to other people is always great fun. | 21:43 |
| mralex | ;) | 21:43 |
| nkinkade | luisv: I'm also currently looking into {action.optOut} | 21:43 |
| nkinkade | Looks like it could possible be a CiviCRM bug. | 21:43 |
| nkinkade | But I need to investigate more ... | 21:44 |
| luisv | ouch | 21:44 |
| luisv | not fun | 21:44 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: so I saw :) | 21:45 |
| nkinkade | Just following NRY's orders. :-) | 21:46 |
| paroneayea | and my (cwebber-org-update-roundup) function automatically pulled it in as an orgmode TODO item! | 21:46 |
| paroneayea | I love emacs & orgmode. | 21:46 |
| paroneayea | (this message brought to you by ERC, the Emacs IRC client) | 21:47 |
| mralex | can you order pizza from emacs yet? | 21:48 |
| mralex | C-x-pizza | 21:48 |
| paroneayea | at worst I could pall the pizza commandline script | 21:48 |
| paroneayea | er, call | 21:48 |
| paroneayea | although I suppose that has an ncurses interface or something | 21:49 |
| paroneayea | hm | 21:49 |
| paroneayea | I don't eat pizza often enough to have investigated this :) | 21:49 |
| paroneayea | They did incorporate M-x butterfly from http://xkcd.com/378/ | 21:50 |
| mralex | DAMMIT, EMACS! | 21:50 |
| paroneayea | yeah, new in emacs 23 :) | 21:52 |
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| luisv | sigh | 22:34 |
| luisv | orgmode | 22:34 |
| luisv | I'm told there is basically nothing it can't do | 22:34 |
| luisv | but every time I've actually tried to use it, it has obscured its power | 22:34 |
| paroneayea | I started out saying, "well I am not going to use all this complicated orgmode bs, just simple trees for outlining notes and todo lists" | 22:35 |
| paroneayea | then I started using the agenda | 22:35 |
| paroneayea | and it slowly feature-creeped its tentacles into my life | 22:36 |
| paroneayea | in that sense, orgmode is a lot like emacs itself :) | 22:37 |
| paroneayea | "I'm not gonna become one of THOSE emacs using people" <- /me, several years ago | 22:38 |
| * paroneayea totally one of those people now | 22:38 | |
| mralex | i never let it give me the chance to become one of those weirdo emacs acolytes. | 22:38 |
| paroneayea | :D | 22:39 |
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