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| mfwitten | The CC official web page sucks ass. You should make it easier for people to figure out WTF this CC license thing is and how to use it. As it is now, the website is just a jumble of trash. | 03:41 |
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| user01 | hi, if i (CC-BY-SA) use a work which is CC-BY is this ok? | 16:55 |
| user01 | (i think i can do everything with it, if i name the author -- but also republish it under a different license?) | 16:55 |
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| Saqib | Hello | 17:02 |
| Saqib | Is there anybody around with knowledge of ccHost? | 17:03 |
| Saqib | I'm just setup this software on my server, but its too complicated to use and perhaps manage.. :) | 17:03 |
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| lotia | Saqib: what is cchost | 17:06 |
| Saqib | :) | 17:06 |
| Saqib | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Cchost | 17:07 |
| lotia | Saqib: also, if you are comfortable granting access, i could certainly take a look at it. even though i don't know what it does, i'm reasonably experienced around a *nix box. | 17:07 |
| Saqib | well, now delete it from server, will install a clean copy soon but before, i 'll need to study it more | 17:08 |
| nkinkade | user01: You could publish a derivative work under BY-SA, but clearly not the original work. | 17:17 |
| Saqib | nkinkade: what are you talking about] | 17:22 |
| nkinkade | Saqib: I was answering user0. | 17:22 |
| Saqib | you said we can just publish a derivative work under BY-SA? | 17:24 |
| nkinkade | The original question was: | 17:27 |
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| nkinkade | (11:55:17 AM) user01: hi, if i (CC-BY-SA) use a work which is CC-BY is this ok? | 17:27 |
| nkinkade | I was simply saying that someone could make a derivative of BY work and release it under a BY-SA license. | 17:28 |
| Saqib | hhmm | 17:29 |
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| lotia | Saqib: once you get it set up, you could publish some slick setup docs under a cc license ;0 | 17:35 |
| lotia | anyone here familiar with Drupal? | 17:35 |
| Saqib | i know i can upload but the problem is using such a complicated mechanism | 17:37 |
| lotia | Saqib: what OS are you installing on? | 17:37 |
| Saqib | i know Drupal | 17:37 |
| Saqib | lotia: mine problem is not with installing | 17:38 |
| Saqib | i installed it once and use it for a while | 17:38 |
| Saqib | but a bit complicated than other content management systems | 17:38 |
| lotia | from a user perspective? | 17:38 |
| Saqib | It would be great if anybody around can share a simple available Theme with me | 17:39 |
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| Saqib | nathany: Hi | 17:39 |
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| nathany | hi Saqib | 17:49 |
| Saqib | nathany: You've any idea of using ccHost? | 17:50 |
| nathany | Saqib, nope, sorry; we developed it to run ccmixter.org but I was never involved in development or management of that site | 17:52 |
| Saqib | ok | 17:52 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: I just configured Asterisk to handle incoming SIP connections because I couldn't find an IAX client for Ubuntu that was worth a @#$%. | 18:02 |
| nathany | lol | 18:02 |
| nathany | ok | 18:02 |
| nkinkade | Do you have the time and/or desire to try a quick conference session with Ekiga? | 18:02 |
| nathany | is IAX supposed to be lighter weight or something? | 18:02 |
| nathany | sure, one second... | 18:03 |
| nkinkade | Maybe, if you can find a good client for Ubuntu then I'll try that. | 18:03 |
| nkinkade | I tested it on my own by dialing in via Fred's number, and also via SIP, but it's less than ideal ... lots of echo :-) | 18:03 |
| nathany | SIP has lots of echo? | 18:03 |
| nkinkade | Sure, when I've got another mic just inches from the speaker of my laptop. :-) | 18:04 |
| nathany | lol | 18:04 |
| nathany | oh, got it, you called yourself | 18:04 |
| nathany | you want to priv msg me who i should connect to with SIP? | 18:04 |
| nkinkade | I was holding my cell phone dialed into the conf line and also dialed in my PC via SIP, since I don't have a headset at the moment it wasn't working well. | 18:04 |
| nkinkade | ... it worked, just lots of feedback and echo. | 18:06 |
| nkinkade | Those yahoos are still doing my floors, and my headset is down in Miami. | 18:06 |
| nathany | lol | 18:07 |
| user01 | nkinkade: thx, inbetween i think i know something, but still new questions arise... :-) | 18:07 |
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| mlinksva | this would brk the currybot if it ran | 18:31 |
| mlinksva | http://mehfilindian.com/LunchMenuTakeOut.htm | 18:31 |
| akozak | ahh, good ol' <font> | 18:33 |
| akozak | I remember you... | 18:33 |
| akozak | mlinksva is thinking about lunch already. must be a friday :) | 18:34 |
| mlinksva | i'm procrastinating | 18:35 |
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| soma | hi. somebody can answer a question about by-sa. it says "All new works based on yours will carry the same license". the question is about based. in the german cc it says the license must be the same after editing if the new work is noticable based on the original work. does that mean the sa-clause doesn't apply if the original work is only a very little part of the new work and not its base? | 18:47 |
| soma | im asking this because i want to offer some 3d models under a cc license and don't want to be to strict, i.e. allow commercial usage and not force them to release their work alike when they only use some furniture or something like that in their scenes | 18:48 |
| nathany | hi soma | 18:51 |
| nathany | the test is whether the new work is a derivative based on copyright law | 18:51 |
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| soma | does that mean that if there is a certain level of creativity in the new work the creators don't have to follow the cc-license at all? | 19:06 |
| nathany | soma, no | 19:06 |
| nathany | the share alike clause just distinguishes between collections and derivatives, two different concepts in copyright law | 19:07 |
| nathany | attribution, etc is always required | 19:07 |
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| JED3 | if you are providing attribution for a work that licensed with a dc:source or cc:morePermissions specified, do you need to also include that information when you mark a reuse? | 19:25 |
| JED3 | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Marking/Users yields no definitive answer... | 19:25 |
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| nathany | JED3, no | 20:04 |
| nathany | those aren't part of the license | 20:05 |
| JED3 | ahh okay, so attribName and attribURL are the only things that must be included? | 20:06 |
| nathany | yes | 20:06 |
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| nathany | nkinkade, ping | 21:50 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Hi. | 21:50 |
| nathany | i'm looking @ the zh-tw issue | 21:50 |
| nathany | (finally) | 21:50 |
| nkinkade | I was just testing SIP with Fred mecredis a bit more. | 21:50 |
| nathany | oh cool | 21:50 |
| nkinkade | What did you find with the zh-tw thing? | 21:50 |
| nathany | so it appears that the bug only shows up when you manually specify the locales on the command line | 21:50 |
| nathany | since we pass that through "normalize" | 21:50 |
| nkinkade | Workaround? | 21:50 |
| nathany | i think i'm going to wrap the stock version of normalize | 21:51 |
| nathany | to do "xx_YY" instead of "xx-yy" | 21:51 |
| nkinkade | Relatedly, did you try regenerating all Deeds on your local machine? | 21:51 |
| nathany | nkinkade, no, i didn't try yet -- there's a deed change coming down the line that i [mistakenly?] thought should go in first | 21:52 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I suppose we could just as easily use xx-yy and make the rewrite rule to convert any xx_YY to the other. | 21:52 |
| nathany | but now i'm realizing that's not quite right | 21:52 |
| nathany | nkinkade, well the links are constructed to deed.xx_YY, right? | 21:52 |
| nathany | (duh, of course they are -- they're static right now) | 21:52 |
| nkinkade | As far as I know everything we have published up to know points to xx_YY. | 21:52 |
| nathany | right | 21:53 |
| nkinkade | I just sort of liked the idea that we'd be doing the standard thing, if xx-yy is what the rest of the world is doing. | 21:53 |
| nathany | nkinkade, yeah, i know | 21:53 |
| nkinkade | But that never stopped up before. :-) | 21:53 |
| nathany | lol | 21:53 |
| nathany | i'm not sure if this has always been broken or what... | 21:54 |
| nathany | i have uncommitted deeds in my local checkout from april with the xx-yy convention | 21:54 |
| nathany | so... | 21:54 |
| nathany | yeah | 21:54 |
| nkinkade | I'm open to anything, really. I suppose the important thing is that URLs work. | 21:54 |
| nathany | i'll wrap it, commit the fix | 21:54 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Thanks. | 21:55 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I suspect you're going to have a problem generating on your local machine ... resources and all. | 21:55 |
| nkinkade | Can you think of any hackish way to force mkdeeds to return after each run? | 21:55 |
| nathany | yeah, we'll see... one meltdown at a time :) | 21:55 |
| nkinkade | Does mkdeeds output to STDOUT? | 21:56 |
| nathany | not sure | 21:56 |
| nathany | presumably | 21:56 |
| nkinkade | If so I suppose I write somethign that would scrape stdout looking for "Generation complete" | 21:56 |
| nkinkade | Then on that cue forcefully kill mkdeeds. | 21:56 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Would you like for me to investigate that, or do you just want to try doing the regeneration on your machine once these issues get worked out? | 21:57 |
| nathany | i wonder if we could add a manual sys.exit | 21:57 |
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| nathany | i'll try adding a manual call to exit first | 21:57 |
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| mralex | JED3: mecredis: nathany: either of you working on the CC Network content for the december Dashboard presentaiton? | 22:02 |
| nathany | no | 22:03 |
| nathany | i was not asked to do so, although i suppose i could have missed that request | 22:03 |
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| mecredis | JED3: neither was I | 22:06 |
| JED3 | I wasn't either, but can pick it up need be it | 22:07 |
| mecredis | ok, might be worth checking with ML and AR about | 22:07 |
| mecredis | before spending any extra time on it | 22:07 |
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| nathany | nkinkade, just committed fix for locale formatting | 22:14 |
| nathany | oh, and mkdeeds will now exit on completion | 22:14 |
| nathany | merging to production now | 22:14 |
| nathany | nkinkade, can you go ahead and kick off your deed-regen-nicely script? | 22:15 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I'll try, but first I need to work on getting the script to process stout to know when to kill mkdeeds. | 22:16 |
| nkinkade | That might not be till Monday, if that's okay. | 22:16 |
| nathany | nkinkade, no it exits now | 22:16 |
| nathany | "mkdeeds will now exit on completion" | 22:17 |
| nkinkade | Oh, that makes it easy. | 22:17 |
| nathany | :) | 22:17 |
| nathany | i try | 22:17 |
| nkinkade | But didn't you say there were some changes coming down the line that we wanted to wait for before launching the massive regeneration? | 22:17 |
| nathany | nkinkade, there are changes, but we're not going to wait | 22:17 |
| nathany | we'll only roll them out on Unported English initially, let others have some translation time | 22:17 |
| nkinkade | Good. Then I'll launch the regen-nicely in a screen session on a6. | 22:18 |
| nathany | thanks | 22:18 |
| nathany | please let me know if it doesn't exit cleanly for you; i don't know why it wouldn't, it just seems like voodoo :) | 22:19 |
| nathany | (and it did exit cleanly for me the one test run i did) | 22:19 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Should svn up be enough, or would I need to buildout anything? | 22:22 |
| nathany | nkinkade, svn up should be enough | 22:23 |
| nkinkade | Okay, it's starting with ar, I'll let you know what I get. | 22:23 |
| nathany | thanks | 22:23 |
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| nkinkade | Having mkdeeds output what it's doing is a huge help. | 22:33 |
| nathany | :) | 22:33 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: You fix seemed to work and the script is now iterating over au. | 22:43 |
| nkinkade | If for any reason you want to check on it (unlikely) you can su to nkinkade on a6 and screen -r | 22:44 |
| nathany | cool, thanks | 22:44 |
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