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| akozak | hahaha http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-11/bread-loving-bird-shuts-down-lhc | 00:38 |
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| akozak | loving the picture | 00:38 |
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| sikushsarmasi | Will new threads start utilizing my other cores from my multi-core cpu or do I have to fork to see any benefits? | 05:47 |
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| nkinkade | Now I don't see you. | 16:52 |
| nkinkade | Unfortunately we do not yet have voice and video chat for Gmail available for your operating system. | 16:54 |
| nkinkade | Look ^^^ | 16:55 |
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| akozak | nkinkade: Thanks for the Pootle test. Bummer it didn't work. Did you/nathany ping any Pootle folks about it? | 17:21 |
| nkinkade | akozak: No, we haven't. | 17:21 |
| akozak | nkinkade: I might do that today. | 17:22 |
| nkinkade | The reason is that we have no way of knowing whether it's something wrong with our install or a bug. | 17:22 |
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| akozak | hmm, wonder if I should get an htc droid | 18:31 |
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| nathany | nkinkade, ping | 18:31 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Hey. | 18:32 |
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| Saqib | Hello! | 19:44 |
| Saqib | I've some confusion with CC licenses | 19:44 |
| nathany | Saqib, we can try and help | 19:45 |
| Saqib | What is the difference between SA and SA-BY ? | 19:46 |
| nathany | SA-BY requires Attribution | 19:46 |
| nathany | (credit to the original creator) | 19:46 |
| nathany | SA is no longer maintained or versioned | 19:46 |
| nathany | (ie, it's still @ 1.0, BY-SA is @ 3.0) | 19:47 |
| Saqib | And CC-BY and CC-BY-SA? | 19:49 |
| nathany | just a different way to abbreviate the same thing | 19:49 |
| nathany | that is, CC SA is the same as SA, CC BY SA is the same as BY SA | 19:49 |
| Saqib | oh :o | 19:49 |
| Saqib | Which is the best and recommended license? | 19:50 |
| nathany | we don't generally make recommendations; it sort of depends on what you want people to do with your work | 19:50 |
| Saqib | hhmm | 19:50 |
| nathany | BY is the most permissive/liberal -- it says people can do anything, so long as they give you credit | 19:50 |
| Saqib | I'm still confused | 19:51 |
| nathany | BY-SA is a popular "copyleft" choice that requires credit and that derivatives use the same (or compatible) license | 19:51 |
| Saqib | just a moment please | 19:52 |
| nathany | ok | 19:52 |
| Saqib | I'm back :) | 19:57 |
| Saqib | So is it possible to use incompatible license when using content licensed with BY? | 19:58 |
| Saqib | nathany: And is it compulsory to give credit to original author when using either licensed content, even if for derivatives ? | 20:01 |
| nathany | Saqib, yes, giving credit to the author is a requirement of the license, although how that credit is given may vary based on the format | 20:02 |
| Saqib | hhmm | 20:02 |
| nathany | i don't know what you mean by "use incompatible license" | 20:02 |
| Saqib | Is it possible to use anyother CC license with BY licensed content except BY or SA-BY? | 20:04 |
| greg-g | Saqib: if I'm understanding the question correctly, Yes, you can use content that is licensed as CC:BY in some other work and license it as CC:BY-SA, CC:BY-NC-SA, etc. | 20:06 |
| Saqib | hhmm | 20:06 |
| greg-g | but, it is best if you can give us specific (real) examples of what you want to do to make sure we understand correctly and give you a better answer :) | 20:06 |
| akozak | nathany: When adding a feed to DiscoverEd, is there an "atom" feed type or would it just be rss? | 20:06 |
| Saqib | :) | 20:07 |
| nathany | akozak, "rss" is a parser that does RSS/Atom sniffing | 20:07 |
| akozak | ok thanks. | 20:07 |
| Saqib | greg-g: Even if author allowed to use his content for commercial purpose, how can me or anybody else re-use his work and make restricts on it? | 20:07 |
| nathany | Saqib, to be clear, someone can take work under a CC BY license, make something with it, and release it without a CC license, too, so long as they give attribution | 20:08 |
| Saqib | nathany: You said SA is no longer versioned but I can see 3.0 :) | 20:10 |
| nathany | Saqib, that's BY-SA | 20:10 |
| nathany | there used to be an SA only version | 20:10 |
| Saqib | i see | 20:10 |
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| pvh | heyo, i'm working on some license URL stuff for songbird | 20:11 |
| pvh | i talked to asheesh way back in the day. is he around, or is someone else able to answer some questions? | 20:11 |
| akozak | nathany: Another quick question. Does addfeed set the curator with the third parameter, the curator url parameter, or do you need to do a setcurator for each feed? | 20:11 |
| akozak | each new feed* | 20:11 |
| pvh | ah, nathany, i believe you were CCed on that conversation too | 20:11 |
| pvh | which was 18mo ago or so | 20:12 |
| nathany | akozak, assuming you've done addcurator, addfeed will set it as well | 20:12 |
| akozak | oh perfect, thanks nathany | 20:12 |
| nathany | pvh, paulproteus (asheesh) has moved on from CC, although he still lurks in the channel | 20:12 |
| nathany | i can try to help :) | 20:13 |
| pvh | nathany: well, i'll direct my questions to you, then :) | 20:13 |
| pvh | nathany: basically, we've added support for some new file types to songbird | 20:13 |
| Saqib | so Share Alike means something making derivative work? | 20:13 |
| pvh | and the CC wiki is lacking in answers about how i should map those properties to these tags | 20:13 |
| Saqib | and is it possible to make derivate work from those content using BA license? | 20:14 |
| Saqib | BY^ | 20:14 |
| pvh | nathany: i'm looking for how to store license data into ASF and MP4 files | 20:14 |
| Saqib | Don't mind but actually I was confused with abbreviations | 20:14 |
| pvh | i could, of course, just invent things, but since you guys are the keepers of the flame on this one, i figured i'd come poke you first | 20:15 |
| nathany | pvh, i think we have some conversations about MP4 files... | 20:15 |
| nathany | that might have relevant info; can you email me? i need to run out for a bit | 20:15 |
| nathany | nathan at creativecommons dot org | 20:15 |
| akozak | nathany: sorry, one more. Doing a setcurator to a feed that already has a curator will just add another curator, right? | 20:16 |
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| pvh | sure. i'm on a bit of a tight deadline and borrowing time to look at this in the first place | 20:16 |
| nathany | akozak, no a feed can only have one curator | 20:16 |
| pvh | nathany: but hopefully we can make some improvements | 20:16 |
| nathany | pvh, i can reply right after lunch, but yeah, probably not going to be set enough to make a tight timeline | 20:16 |
| * pvh nods | 20:16 | |
| pvh | i prefer to do nothing than the wrong thing in this case | 20:16 |
| nathany | thanks for thinking of it, though :) | 20:16 |
| pvh | but we can get the ball rolling at least | 20:16 |
| nathany | that'd be excellent | 20:17 |
| nathany | ok, ttyl | 20:17 |
| greg-g | :( Saqib left | 20:18 |
| pvh | nathany: i'll be idling here if you want to go real-time | 20:24 |
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| * paulproteus waves to pvh | 20:33 | |
| pvh | paulproteus: hiya! where are you at these days? | 20:33 |
| paulproteus | I started openhatch.org with some friends. | 20:34 |
| paulproteus | It's an open source involvement engine -- we're building a place to write about the projects in open source you've contributed to, and a search engine for finding new ones. | 20:34 |
| paulproteus | We want to branch out into other useful open source community tools after we polish those, but I don't want to promise the sky then underdeliver! | 20:35 |
| paulproteus | #openhatch if you like (-: | 20:35 |
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| pvh | very cool | 20:35 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Have you ever had to change the IP address for a host using hosted domains at Dotster? | 20:38 |
| nkinkade | Nevermind. I found it. Damn they have it buried in there! | 20:41 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, I have screen-scraping code for automating that. | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Interesting. | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | In this case I just need to change the IP for ccmixter, but Dotster has that functionality in a very non-obvious place. | 20:43 |
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| akozak | nathany and nkinkade: in #pootle re: the pootle bug, "<friedel1> yes, that was solved in Translate Toolkit 1.2.1 I guess" | 20:54 |
| akozak | I don't know if we're still pursuing it at this point though | 20:55 |
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| nathany | nkinkade, http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue510 | 21:01 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I'll take a look. I'm working on the transfer of ccmixter.org | 21:02 |
| nathany | thanks | 21:02 |
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| nathany | nkinkade, fwiw, there's also http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue509, looks like the uploaded images/media files didn't make it over | 21:04 |
| akozak | nathany: I'm a bit confused about if I can add this feed into DiscoverEd. http://feeds.feedburner.com/CursosCVSP | 21:17 |
| akozak | there is a "view feed xml" | 21:17 |
| akozak | but that wouldn't work, right? | 21:18 |
| nathany | akozak, i get the feed when i request that URL | 21:18 |
| nathany | iirc feedburner does content negotiation and will return the feed if it doesn't see a browser user agent | 21:18 |
| akozak | ohhh | 21:19 |
| akozak | Ok so it would be rss/atom when discovered requests it | 21:19 |
| nathany | i think so | 21:22 |
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| akozak | nathany: Any ideas why this is happening- http://pastebin.com/m6de2449b | 21:40 |
| akozak | let me know if i should create an issue | 21:40 |
| nathany | akozak, no idea | 21:55 |
| nathany | yes, a ticket would be good | 21:55 |
| ianweller | mlinksva: ping | 21:57 |
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| akozak | mecredis NOOOOOO | 21:57 |
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| paroneayea | :? | 22:03 |
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| akozak | mecredis: you just missed my epic NOOOOOO | 22:05 |
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| mecredis | yeah, I heard | 22:06 |
| mecredis | its gonna be OK | 22:06 |
| mecredis | thanks for your kind words | 22:07 |
| akozak | haha, ok i believe you it will be ok | 22:09 |
| akozak | i GUESS | 22:09 |
| mecredis | haha | 22:09 |
| akozak | Really happy for your new jorb though. Can you give details? | 22:09 |
| paroneayea | wait what? :O | 22:10 |
| * paroneayea checks his email | 22:10 | |
| nathany_ | akozak, in case you didn't see it, yes, a ticket would be good | 22:10 |
| akozak | nathany_: submitted http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue511 | 22:10 |
| nathany_ | nkinkade, did you happen to backup the old acawiki deployment? i think we're still missing an extension | 22:10 |
| nathany_ | trying to figure out where it lives | 22:11 |
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| paroneayea | wow mecredis | 22:14 |
| * paroneayea just read the email | 22:15 | |
| mecredis | yeah, its sucks we didn't get to hang out | 22:15 |
| paroneayea | I guess I didn't have much chance to interact with you but | 22:15 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 22:15 |
| paroneayea | sounds like a great fit for you though, exciting :) | 22:15 |
| mecredis | I'm sure we'll run into each other soon enough | 22:15 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 22:16 |
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| paulproteus | mecredis, You going to be near Philly any time in the next 2mo or so? | 23:29 |
| paulproteus | I mean, other than New York, which is near-ish Philly. (-: | 23:29 |
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| mecredis | paulproteus: yes, actually | 23:31 |
| mecredis | nov 15th | 23:31 |
| paulproteus | mecredis, Amazing. We should hang out. | 23:33 |
| mecredis | yep, I put it on my calendar | 23:34 |
| paulproteus | Awesome, I'll do the same. | 23:35 |
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| pyrak | paulproteus, /me went to a CACert authing party last night! | 23:46 |
| pyrak | i'm in the web of trust | 23:47 |
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| paulproteus | pyrak, Nice! | 23:54 |
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