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| kevwalsh | hey all, does anyone have any resources they might share about applying CC licenses to web forums? I can't find much on http://forum.creativecommons.org/ on this topic. | 17:02 |
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| greg-g | whoa, forum.creativecommons.org? where did that come from? | 17:35 |
| * greg-g has never seen it | 17:35 | |
| mralex | about a year ago | 17:36 |
| greg-g | interesting | 17:44 |
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| jibot | paulproteus is Asheesh Laroia & TWiki: asheesh.org & blogs.jhu.edu! & aka Johnny Pancakes & wiki.jhu.edu! & quotes blog: blogs.jhu.edu/~gooftroop & kindablog: blogs.jhu.edu/~paulproteus & back from uganda - blog at http://uganda.laroia.net/ & hash-joiito@asheesh.org & DanMark approved for humor & graduated from jhu.edu in '07 & on Creative Commons tech staff & seeing robots where there are none & a crayon & a dirty lurker | 18:31 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: I'm still noticing a couple contributions coming from the old contribution pages. Do you see any harm in me deactivating those pages? | 19:34 |
| nkinkade | I can't think of why that might be bad unless some other sites were linking to them, but Google didn't turn up anyone sites linking to that page. | 19:34 |
| nkinkade | I suppose there is also no *harm* in leaving them on, just in case someone accidentally ends up there. | 19:34 |
| nkinkade | nathany: ^^ any thoughts? | 19:35 |
| nathany | nkinkade: unless there's a reason to turn them off, I don't see any harm in leaving them on | 19:35 |
| nkinkade | I guess I agree with that. I'll just leave them. | 19:36 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 19:50 |
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| jibot | akozak is Alex Kozak, Program Assistant at ccLearn and SFC@Berkeley co-founder and a norse god | 19:55 |
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| JED3 | mecredis: you around? | 20:09 |
| mecredis | JED3: just got back to my desk | 20:10 |
| mecredis | actually | 20:10 |
| mecredis | whats up | 20:10 |
| JED3 | you think you could write up a quick paragraph for the renew page on CC.net | 20:13 |
| JED3 | ...to explain how the authorization codes work | 20:14 |
| mecredis | sure, I can get it done within an hour or so if you'd like | 20:15 |
| mecredis | https://creativecommons.net/a/renew/ still says promo code | 20:16 |
| mecredis | want me to just edit that HTML and send it to you? | 20:16 |
| JED3 | yeah i havent updated the production server yet with the changes | 20:21 |
| JED3 | right now i'm using the text from support.cc.org/join | 20:21 |
| mecredis | ah right on | 20:21 |
| mecredis | uhm | 20:21 |
| JED3 | so could you use that as your base? | 20:21 |
| mecredis | can you push it live so I can work on the most recent changes? | 20:21 |
| mecredis | oh ok | 20:21 |
| JED3 | https://support.creativecommons.org/join | 20:21 |
| JED3 | https://creativecommons.net/a/renew/ looks exactly like that page right now | 20:22 |
| JED3 | ... well right now on my machine at least :) | 20:22 |
| mecredis | ah I see | 20:22 |
| mecredis | so we're expecting /a/renew to just look like support.cc.org/join? | 20:23 |
| JED3 | yeah pretty much, thats what I collected from nathany 's last msg | 20:24 |
| mecredis | or yeah, sorry, have had a couple of meetings today so I'm a bit out of the loop | 20:24 |
| mecredis | let me catch up on it | 20:24 |
| nathany | JED3: mecredis: yes; basically we'll keep them on cc.net, but all the data will flow into civi | 20:24 |
| mecredis | nathany: ok, makes sense | 20:25 |
| mecredis | so do we have the content/body of support but the head of cc.net? | 20:25 |
| mecredis | some kind of franken registration | 20:25 |
| JED3 | yes | 20:25 |
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| JED3 | just for the renew page though | 20:25 |
| mecredis | got it | 20:25 |
| mecredis | so should I just copy that html in | 20:26 |
| mecredis | or wait for you to push the changes live? | 20:26 |
| mecredis | or just write a paragraph in email | 20:26 |
| mecredis | heh | 20:26 |
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| JED3 | copy the html or email me some text, either is fine | 20:28 |
| mecredis | k | 20:28 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I published the OneClickDonate.php doc on Teamspace, but I'm now thinking it should be on the wiki. Does that sound right to you? | 20:33 |
| nkinkade | I was going to write a post at labs about it all. | 20:33 |
| nathany | nkinkade: hrm.... | 20:33 |
| nathany | yes, definitely a blog post | 20:33 |
| nathany | i suppose it's in our public repo, right? | 20:33 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Yeah, it's already in git. And as precedent we have LicenseChooser.js on the public wiki. | 20:34 |
| nathany | well LicenseChooser.js is something we *want* other people to consume :) | 20:34 |
| nkinkade | There's no secret information in the file or doc. It's all stuff people would know anyway. | 20:34 |
| nathany | yeah, move it to the wiki (probably leave a breadcrumb in teamspace) | 20:34 |
| nathany | probably add a link to the to wiki page to the source file as well | 20:35 |
| nkinkade | nathany: One thing I realized is that it's currently in branch cc_production_2.2.7 .. that branch is not necessarily static. | 20:35 |
| nkinkade | I don't know how to avoid that when the branch names have version numbers. | 20:35 |
| nathany | right | 20:36 |
| nkinkade | So links will be outdated. | 20:36 |
| nathany | why do they have version numbers? (or how do you change the version number) | 20:36 |
| nathany | i would think there'd just be a "cc_production" branch that gets rebased | 20:36 |
| nkinkade | I update the code, then I push the changes to a new branch on code with a version number. | 20:36 |
| nathany | (sorry, this is orthogonal and just for my own curiosity) | 20:36 |
| nathany | ah | 20:36 |
| nathany | so on cc_prod_2.2.7 you rebase to civicrm_3.0 (for example) | 20:36 |
| nkinkade | I recall that paulproteus had for some reason recommended using version numbers of the branch names. | 20:37 |
| nathany | and then push cc_prod_2.2.7 to cc_prod_3.0 | 20:37 |
| nathany | (pushing with an explicit branch name instead of just "git push") | 20:37 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Exactly. | 20:37 |
| nathany | ah, interesting | 20:37 |
| nkinkade | It's somewhat nice in that we always have a good record of where we've been. | 20:37 |
| nathany | right | 20:37 |
| nathany | almost feels like using branch names as tags or something | 20:37 |
| nathany | anyway | 20:37 |
| nathany | well the old one won't "go away" | 20:38 |
| nkinkade | nathany: That's pretty much what it is. yeah, the old one will always be there, but our most recent changes might not. | 20:38 |
| nathany | so you can say "this file is in our civicrm clone in x/y/z; our production verison for 2.2.7 is at xxxxx" | 20:38 |
| nathany | right | 20:38 |
| nathany | well as we add features/fix things, we'll presumably be editing that page | 20:38 |
| nathany | anyway, if we're releasing it, we should point to where people can find it | 20:38 |
| nkinkade | That could work, but it seems like a hassle for people, because they then have to guess what version we are running. | 20:38 |
| nkinkade | Good point about the editing and updating of the doc. | 20:39 |
| nathany | well this doesn't matter for *us*, does it? | 20:40 |
| nathany | this is more for others who want the code for their site, right? | 20:40 |
| nathany | otherwise we could just leave it in teamspace :) | 20:40 |
| nkinkade | Not really. Just for anyone using it. | 20:40 |
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| nkinkade | But some of the stuff is CC specific | 20:40 |
| nathany | ugh | 20:40 |
| nkinkade | The core functionality that anyone else might want is in the current version. | 20:41 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I take that back, nothing is really CC specific, but what I mean is that not everyone will need/want everything in there. | 20:41 |
| nathany | right | 20:41 |
| nathany | so: i'm fine putting the docs on the public wiki, i think we should at least point to the repo and where the file is, don't care about the branch stuff | 20:41 |
| nkinkade | A number of people at the CiviCRM camp in NYC were interested in it. | 20:42 |
| nathany | cool | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | I think it's a bit of code that may interest the CiviCRM community at large. | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | It's a pretty cool idea, I think. | 20:42 |
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| jibot | JoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons | 20:47 |
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| jibot | ivan is being acquired by Apple for a rumored price of seven quadrillion dollars & Hank Rearden & one of those elitists & agent smith from the matrix & borg | 21:03 |
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| jibot | paulproteus is Asheesh Laroia & TWiki: asheesh.org & blogs.jhu.edu! & aka Johnny Pancakes & wiki.jhu.edu! & quotes blog: blogs.jhu.edu/~gooftroop & kindablog: blogs.jhu.edu/~paulproteus & back from uganda - blog at http://uganda.laroia.net/ & hash-joiito@asheesh.org & DanMark approved for humor & graduated from jhu.edu in '07 & on Creative Commons tech staff & seeing robots where there are none & a crayon & a dirty lurker | 21:28 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Do you happen to know if cgit can output diffs between arbitrary commits? | 21:34 |
| nathany | nkinkade: no, i don't... i thought git itself could, though -- or are you wanting a web view? | 21:34 |
| nkinkade | nathany: git can, but I'd rather have a link to a diff output dynamically rather than have to create a static file. | 21:35 |
| nathany | ah... not sure about cgit | 21:35 |
| JED3 | nathany: mecredis: http://staging.creativecommons.net/a/renew/ | 21:37 |
| JED3 | fit for production? | 21:37 |
| mecredis | nice, the blue font seems a little ... aggressive | 21:38 |
| nathany | JED3: looks awesome | 21:38 |
| mecredis | maybe kill the Thanks! | 21:38 |
| mecredis | and put in | 21:38 |
| mecredis | "Thank you for your support." | 21:38 |
| nathany | reading through it, can we also kill "It's time, however, to renew your membership! "? | 21:38 |
| mecredis | or we already say that | 21:38 |
| nathany | they're there because they know it's time | 21:38 |
| mecredis | yeah, I agree nathany its fairly obvious that that is what you're there fore | 21:38 |
| mecredis | *for | 21:38 |
| nathany | mecredis: i think we could say "thanks for your support" | 21:38 |
| nathany | at the edn | 21:38 |
| mecredis | yeah | 21:38 |
| mecredis | ok | 21:38 |
| nathany | start and finish with gratitude, or some koan like that | 21:39 |
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| JED3 | so for the first line, "Thank you for being a part of the Creative Commons Network over the last year. By renewing you'll retain the ability to register new works on the Network for an additional year" | 21:40 |
| JED3 | ? | 21:40 |
| nathany | oh, that does read a little choppy, doesn't it | 21:41 |
| JED3 | yeah;' | 21:41 |
| nathany | what about "If you renew you'll be able to continue to register new works..." | 21:42 |
| nathany | that seems like it flows into "if you choose not to renew" | 21:42 |
| nathany | mecredis, thoughts? ^^ | 21:42 |
| mecredis | sure | 21:42 |
| mecredis | yeah, sometimes I get stuck in the passive voice | 21:42 |
| mecredis | that's fine | 21:43 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: By the time your reply had come in I had already set Catharina's account to forward and changed the password. | 22:16 |
| nkinkade | Should I undo that? | 22:16 |
| nathany | hrm | 22:17 |
| nathany | well i did tell her that we were going to do it next week... | 22:17 |
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| jibot | Grant is Grant Henninger and is at http://grant.henninger.name | 22:17 |
| nathany | why don't you just reply to her directly and say "oops, i went ahead and did that; do you need access to your account for anything?" | 22:17 |
| nathany | i don't know... just want this to be done :) | 22:17 |
| nathany | does that seem right to you? | 22:18 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: With cgit I seem to be getting fairly close with something like this: | 22:42 |
| nkinkade | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit/civicrm.git/diff/bin/ContributionProcessor.php?id=87fdecb84f70e4e46af741de3430844ee2d9333c&id2=ce519f4c83f6b1208394c14e88309a9d8493c1b4 | 22:42 |
| nathany | nkinkade: cool; so it shows all the files changed between diffs up top, followed by the specific file diff | 22:43 |
| nkinkade | But for some reason when I try to shift "id" to the exact beginning of our changes I get unexpected results. | 22:43 |
| nathany | huh... maybe it only works for consecutive revs? | 22:43 |
| nkinkade | It appears to be something like that. | 22:43 |
| nathany | suck | 22:43 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I had the commits backward: | 22:44 |
| nkinkade | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit/civicrm.git/diff/bin/ContributionProcessor.php?id=ce519f4c83f6b1208394c14e88309a9d8493c1b4&id2=87fdecb84f70e4e46af741de3430844ee2d9333c | 22:45 |
| nkinkade | That is correct now. | 22:45 |
| nkinkade | I just switched the commits between id and id2 and now it works. | 22:45 |
| nathany | awesome | 22:45 |
| nkinkade | But I don't think that you can arrive at that anywhere in the interface. I think you just have to know how it works and manually create the URL. | 22:45 |
| nkinkade | nathany: One other discovery about cgit. You can get cgit to show you a file from the tree as it appeared at some specific commit. | 23:01 |
| nathany | oh nice | 23:01 |
| nathany | i wonder if we should add these to our git phrasebook page on the wiki | 23:02 |
| nkinkade | Like: http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit/civicrm.git/plain/bin/OneClickDonate.php?id=1c7708665008b3f5775b6535df3094e063 | 23:02 |
| nkinkade | This way branches don't matter for the purpose of publishing links. | 23:02 |
| nathany | cool | 23:02 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I'll add them to our git phrasebook .... good idea. But where is all stuff documented for cgit? I've just have to play around and test. | 23:02 |
| nathany | no idea re: cgit docs | 23:03 |
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