Monday, 2009-09-07

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jibotJoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons00:14
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gNewPowerGood evening: could somebody recommend to me a good article comparing the GNU Free Documentation License with the various Creative Commons licences?  Thanks!01:06
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JoiItothis might be useful: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Questions_and_Answers01:32
gNewPowerJoiIto, thanks!01:44
JoiItoyw ;)01:45
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jibotJoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons08:53
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jibotjonsson is Karl Jonsson, a Swedish law student & Karl Jonsson, a Swedish law student. He blogs @ http://www.cyberlaw.se/kalle & Karl Jonsson, a Swedish law student. He sometimes updates his web page @ www.cyberlaw.se & A Swedish lawyer who works for CC Sweden and has a blog -@ http://www.cyberlaw.se/kalle & a Swedish lawyer working for CC Sweden and blogging @- http://www.cyberlaw.se/kalle & a Swedish lawyer working for CC Sweden and blogging @@ http://www.cyberla12:04
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treakihi guys, how is that if you simple put music on an webpage like jirox66.tk with the gema??13:32
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paulproteustreaki, I don't know that this is the right place for your question.16:06
paulproteusDoes it relate to Creative Commons licenses?16:06
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jibotjgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay16:53
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Useri need a valid credit card number anyone can help ?19:55
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jibotgreg-g is """developing"""" the """"community"""" for """"creative commons"""""20:17
jibotmlinksva is from Creative Commons and Mike Linksvayer20:17
jibotmecredis is Fred Benenson. He works as Creative Commons' Culture Program Associate in NYC and joined the board of SFC after starting Free Culture @ NYU & Fred Benenson. He founded Free Culture @ NYU and graduated in May of 2005. He currently lives in New York City and works as a freelance web developer and a FreeCulture activist. He may or may not be a board member of FreeCulture.org but has worked for Creative Commons and volunteered for the EFF. & Fred Benenson.20:17
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jibotJoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons21:19
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jibotacer is Sophie Hwang, a Taiwanese student at Cornell, class of 2007. and idplay.net and sophie hwang @ cornell, class of 2007. http://idplay.net and sophie hwang at cornell, class of 2007. she has a blog at http://absurdot.org21:51
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uhlmannhello22:14
uhlmanni have a question regarding a creative commons by-sa licensed work22:15
uhlmannthe work (a photo) is made by me and somebody wants to use the photo on an album cover22:15
uhlmanndoes the album have to be cc by-sa as well?22:16
uhlmannis the music plus the the cc photo a derivative work?22:16
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paulproteusuhlmann, Hey now23:27
paulproteusYou can always grant a separate permission for any use of your own work.23:27
uhlmannpaulproteus: yes i know. but i want to know what would be the "cc" way.23:29
uhlmanni'm unsure whether photo on cover plus music become a new work or they continue to be two separate works..23:30
paulproteusThe album does not have to be.23:30
paulproteus(I am not a lawyer; I don't work at Creative Commons)23:30
paulproteusBut the FAQ speaks to this and says No.23:30
uhlmannwhich part of the faq?23:32
paulproteusLet me find this for you, one sec23:32
paulproteushttp://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#What_is_a_derivative_work.3F hmm23:33
paulproteushttp://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#Can_I_combine_two_different_Creative_Commons_licensed_works.3F_Can_I_combine_a_Creative_Commons_licensed_work_with_another_non-CC_licensed_work.3F there we go23:33
paulproteus...well it doesn't clarify combined vs. derivative as far as I can tell.23:33
paulproteusBut they remain two separate works.23:33
paulproteusAt least, as I understand the law!23:34
uhlmannpaulproteus: the faq entry says "yes, unless sharealike"23:35
uhlmannthe cc photo is by-sa23:36
paulproteusThe thing is, it's just two separate works.23:36
paulproteusYou're not combining them, just distributing them at the same time.23:36
paulproteusThe GPL FAQ addresses this in its own way, as I recall.23:36
paulproteushttp://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#MereAggregation23:37
paulproteus"mere aggregation" is the FSF's term for what you'd be doing with CC licenses23:37
uhlmannyes thats what's called "Collected Work" in the CC FAQ (a little below from the section you just linked)23:39
paulproteusOh, okay23:39
uhlmanni'm unsure whether it's really just a "collected work" and not a "derivative work".23:41
uhlmannthe faq says to derivative work: "What this means exactly and comprehensively is the subject of many law journal articles and much debate and pontification."23:41
uhlmann;)23:41
paulproteusI would say it is because the music itself doesn't include a copy of the photo itself.23:41
paulproteus"But I'm not a lawyer"23:42
uhlmanni see. that's a good point.23:42
uhlmannme neither (fortunately) ;)23:42
uhlmannthanks for your opinion!23:43
paulproteusSure thing!23:43
uhlmannbye23:47
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