Tuesday, 2009-08-25

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pyraknkinkade, reping00:23
nkinkadepyrak: Hi.00:23
pyrakthanks for the email.  you were right, i forgot to pull in submodules00:24
pyrakbut i got an error message from git submodule update00:24
nkinkadeAh.  Glad it was that easy.00:24
pyraki'll pm it to you00:24
nkinkadeWhy pm?00:24
pyrakjust to avoid spamming the channel.00:24
pyrakbut it's only like 3 lines, so nvm00:24
pyrakpyrak@a8:~/public_html/mediawiki$ git submodule update00:24
pyrakInitialized empty Git repository in /home/pyrak/public_html/mediawiki/extensions/CategoryTree/.git/00:24
pyrakfatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly00:24
pyrakClone of 'git://code.creativecommons.org/categorytree.git' into submodule path 'extensions/CategoryTree' failed00:24
nkinkadepyrak: I think there is a problem in the way that the repo is added to .gitmodule00:25
nkinkadeLook at that line in .gitmodule.00:25
nkinkadeMost likely you'll find some error on my part where there's a mix of read-write and read-only syntax.00:25
pyraknkinkade, ok, looking00:26
nkinkadeFor the diff. between the two see http://code.creativecommons.org00:27
nkinkadeOne is like git@code.creativecommons.org:repo.git00:27
nkinkadeThe other is like git://code.creativecommons.org/repo.git00:27
nkinkadeThere is probably something not quite right about the repo URL.00:27
pyrakhm, i'm not seeing any inconsistencies00:29
pyrakwell, but they're _all_ in the read-only format00:29
pyrakand this is a read/write clone00:29
nkinkadepyrak: Looks like most of those submodules are pointing at what I think may be invalid URLs.00:34
nkinkadeMost all of them are now in the mw-ext/ direcotry.00:34
nkinkadeI would expect a URL to look like git://code.creativecommons.org/mw-ext/extension.git00:34
nkinkadeSorry about the hoops.00:35
pyraknkinkade, so shall i change the urls, confirm that fixes the issue, commit, then push?00:35
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nkinkadeYou can verify those paths at http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit/00:35
nkinkadepyrak:  Sure, you could do that.00:35
nkinkadepyrak: You've also got no branch checked out.00:36
nkinkadeI just checked out acawiki to acawiki_local ... but try changing those URLs.00:37
nkinkadeDon't worry about pushing back to the repos since this is just a testing place for now.00:38
pyraknkinkade, re: no branch checked out: ?00:40
pyraki thought i had checked out the acawiki branch?00:41
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jibotakozak is Alex Kozak, SFC@Berkeley co-founder and currently working for ccLearn00:42
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pyrak?def pyrak is a former CC tech intern00:51
jibotpyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern00:51
JED3?def JED3 is John Doig00:54
jibotJED3 is John Doig00:54
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JED3?def JED3 is a software engineer at CC00:55
jibotJED3 is John Doig and a software engineer at CC00:55
JED3hi pyrak00:56
pyrakJED3, 'ey00:57
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jibotpyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern01:16
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jibotBovinity is brilliant and aware of Basement Cat, and iz not afraid.01:35
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akozak?forget Alex Kozak is currently working for ccLearn01:41
jibotI did not know that Alex was is currently working for ccLearn01:41
akozak?def Alex Kozak is Program Assistant at ccLearn01:41
jibotAlex is loved by all01:41
akozak?forget akozak is currently working for ccLearn01:41
jibotI did not know that akozak was currently working for ccLearn01:41
akozak?def akozak is Program Assistant at ccLearn01:42
jibotakozak is Alex Kozak, SFC@Berkeley co-founder and currently working for ccLearn and Program Assistant at ccLearn01:42
akozakwhat what whaaaat01:42
akozak?forget akozak01:42
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parker-fcnyu?def akozak01:47
jibotakozak is Alex Kozak, SFC@Berkeley co-founder and currently working for ccLearn and Program Assistant at ccLearn01:47
akozakjibot fail01:51
akozaki dont get along with irc bots01:51
pyrak?fight jibot02:01
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jibotmlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons02:42
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jibotJoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ & Jonkichi (A) & Tasmanian (H) on Eitrigg (US) on WoW & I'm sure he'll be pleased to know he is once again in jeanniecool's good graces & All hail supreme ruler of the channel! (Trumpets!) & was internet famous more than once & some guy & the healthiest guy in the # & down with the dog that looks like a Panda & easy to add to trusted devices if you pretend t be Tom Coates. & the synthesis of idealism and capitalism & at ht02:44
* akozak punches jibot02:45
JoiItohey!02:51
JoiIto;-)02:51
JoiIto?def akozak punches jibot for no reason02:51
jibotakozak is Alex Kozak, SFC@Berkeley co-founder and currently working for ccLearn and Program Assistant at ccLearn02:51
JoiIto?def akozak is punches jibot for no reason02:51
jibotakozak is Alex Kozak, SFC@Berkeley co-founder and currently working for ccLearn and Program Assistant at ccLearn and punches jibot for no reason02:51
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akozakdoh02:54
akozakyou can tell from my def, we've been fighting a long time ;)02:54
JoiItoheh02:54
JoiItooff to a meeting02:55
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akozakseeya02:55
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jibotJED3 is John Doig and a software engineer at CC04:09
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jibotpyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern07:23
dergringoMay I remind you of the upcoming "free radio" project. We will create an internet radio station that plays free (free as in freedom) music only. http://wiki.piraten-partei.ch/FreiesRadio/en (english translation in progress)07:33
dergringofeel free to join the project07:33
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jibotnathany is teh preacher of teh gozpl of teh Ceiling Cat and witness to teh menny divine miraclz of Ceiling Cat14:42
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jibotJoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ & Jonkichi (A) & Tasmanian (H) on Eitrigg (US) on WoW & I'm sure he'll be pleased to know he is once again in jeanniecool's good graces & All hail supreme ruler of the channel! (Trumpets!) & was internet famous more than once & some guy & the healthiest guy in the # & down with the dog that looks like a Panda & easy to add to trusted devices if you pretend t be Tom Coates. & the synthesis of idealism and capitalism & at ht15:01
paroneayeanathany: Get the flood of emails I sent you? :)15:09
nathanyparoneayea: i saw them but am still digging through my inbox :)15:10
paroneayeacool15:10
nathanyhaven't read closely yet, will do so momentarily15:10
paroneayeakk15:10
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jibotjgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay15:40
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nathanyparoneayea: just finished triaging email, going to look at your thread in detail now15:55
paroneayeacool15:55
paroneayeamorgan and I are going to go grab lunch early if that's alright... can we talk afterwards?15:56
nathanyparoneayea: sounds great15:56
paroneayeacool15:57
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jibotBovinity is brilliant and aware of Basement Cat, and iz not afraid.15:57
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jibotakozak is Alex Kozak, SFC@Berkeley co-founder and currently working for ccLearn and Program Assistant at ccLearn and punches jibot for no reason16:38
akozaknathany: whenever you get a chance, i need some help changing the permissions around in oenutch so that I can run the crawl. i didn't want to do it myself without consulting.16:41
nathanyakozak: I usually just say "we're not licensed by the State of California for providing legal advice" :)16:52
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paroneayeanathany: back from lunch, btw16:57
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jibotjgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay16:58
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jibotJED3 is John Doig and a software engineer at CC17:04
nathanyparoneayea: writing an email now, one second17:05
paroneayeacool17:06
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jibotpyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern17:06
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jibotBovinity is brilliant and aware of Basement Cat, and iz not afraid.17:08
nathanyparoneayea: sent, ping me with questions or if you want to do a call17:15
paroneayeanathany: thx.  Yeah, that definitely seems like the right route to me as well17:17
nathanyparoneayea: glad you agree; if nothing else it's worth investing a few hours in to see just how painful/not it is17:18
nathanywas my summation accurate?17:18
paroneayeaas for your summation on the state of things, correct on the "stream overwriting itself" when using a dynamic msgid17:20
paroneayeanot sure what you mean about "if we use a static msgid the context is propagated"... do you mean, it is "not propagated"?17:21
pyraknkinkade, more issues with git submodules in mediawiki :(17:26
nkinkadepyrak: Do you want me to just setup a staging instance of acawiki on a8?17:28
pyraknkinkade, yes please :)17:30
nathanyparoneayea: yes, i meant "not propogated"17:36
paroneayeacool, then yes, your summation was accurate :)17:37
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* paroneayea is pumped up with coffee ~~~~ >:O17:44
paulproteusnathany, Around today? Lunch perhaps?18:08
nathanypaulproteus: sure18:08
paulproteus(+ Bovinity etc.)18:08
paulproteusI'm still in the east bay, so 12:30 is easiest for me to do.18:10
nathanypaulproteus: great, see you then18:21
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jibotmlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons18:26
nkinkadepyrak: I'm going to grab lunch, then I'll setup that official staging instance of acawiki ... sorry about the delay from my reply earlier.18:27
nkinkadeI'll give it the domain acawiki-staging.org ... boring, yes, but probably intuitive and in line with our other staging names.18:27
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pyraknkinkade, sounds good, though i'm not sure its worth buying a domain for this... what i'm doing is really not many hours of work.18:31
pyrakthough i suppose having a staging instance could be handy further down the line18:32
nathanynkinkade, pyrak: yeah, no need to buy; why not staging.acawiki.org?18:32
pyraki'd also like to say that if you have the patience for it, i'd like to try to set up the staging instance myself, bothering you as i hit roadblocks.18:32
pyrakbut i'd certainly understand if you wanted to save us both some time and just DIY18:33
nathanyalso, i think 99% of the changes will be CSS, not sure how much staging will be needed... we just want to stop f'ing things up in IE :)18:33
nathany(it's only semi-launched at this point so at the moment it might be faster to just edit the CSS live)18:34
paroneayeanathany: entry-points from egg "requirements" using buildout don't seem to appear in ./bin/18:34
paroneayeaie, entry-point from genshi doesn't seem to necessarily appear in bin18:34
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nathanyparoneayea: dependent-scripts = true (or something like that)18:35
paroneayeaaha18:35
paroneayeagreat :)18:35
paroneayeathx18:35
nathanylook @ the pypi docs18:35
nathanynp18:35
pyraknathany, sure, i can just do it that way if you'd rather.  then i'll still need to bother nkinkade long enough to get access to a6.18:36
nathanypyrak: we may have a bit of PHP hacking to do later in which case a staging instance might be needed; the immediate need is CSS18:37
nathanyso nkinkade, can you get pyrak access to a6 at your convenience?18:38
nathany[i'm aware you're @ lunch ATM]18:38
pyraksvnmerge is failing me, and i think it's because i failed to uninit the iframe-pretty branch before i deleted it18:53
pyrakhere's the error message:18:53
pyraksvnmerge.py avail18:53
pyraksvnmerge: command execution failed (exit code: 1)18:53
pyraksvn --non-interactive propget --strict "svnmerge-integrated" "svn+ssh://svn@code.creativecommons.org/svnroot/ccsearch/branches/iframe-pretty"18:53
pyraksvn: 'svn+ssh://svn@code.creativecommons.org/svnroot/ccsearch/branches/iframe-pretty' does not exist in revision 1335118:53
nathanypyrak: almost certainly19:01
nathanyyou'll need to manually remove it from the tracking info or tell svnmerge what branch you want availability info for19:01
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jibotJED3 is John Doig and a software engineer at CC19:19
Bovinitygood lord19:26
Bovinityasheesh is early19:26
Bovinity;)19:26
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nkinkadepyrak: nathany: Yeah, sorry.  I'm so used to working with subdomains of CC that I just slipped on what I meant for the domain to me.'19:39
nkinkadeSo were you two agreeing that we don't need a staging instance of ackawiki right now?19:40
paroneayeanathany: got it to extract strings from the file with genshi and babel, but19:43
paroneayeathere's a problem with this too it seems19:43
paroneayeamsgid "is licensed under a"19:43
paroneayeamsgstr ""19:43
paroneayeagenshi seems to automatically extract these bits, so it's creating fragments of messages, which isn't what we want19:43
paroneayeaI'm going to look to see if there's a way to specify grouping an entire section of text as one msgid19:44
paroneayeabut for now it seems to break it up into fragments by default, at least19:44
pyraknkinkade, yes19:44
nkinkadepyrak:  Cool.  But you do now have an account on a619:44
pyraknkinkade, hm, when i try to ssh my terminal just hangs19:46
pyrakactually, it's not responding to ping19:47
pyrakor, it is very very slowly19:47
nkinkadepyrak: Your password should be the same as on a8, and you should also be setup for public key authentication, too.19:47
pyrakah, okay, there it is19:48
pyrakguess it could have been an issue on my end also.  my mom keeps buzzing in my ear about how her browser isn't working19:49
* pyrak LOVES working at home19:50
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paroneayeanathany: you there?20:07
nathanyparoneayea: just back from lunch, looking @ your message20:19
paroneayeacool20:19
paroneayeait's yet another sad roadblock20:20
paroneayeathese templates just don't want to be internationalized, it seems20:20
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nathanyparoneayea: so it wants to break them into blocks when there are sub-tags?20:29
paroneayeayep20:29
nathanysigh20:29
paroneayeaI know, let's write our own templating language ;)20:30
nathanylol20:30
nathanyuh no20:30
paroneayeain all seriousness though, it does look like genshi is out the door20:30
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paroneayeawhich means either we fix chameleon.zpt or20:31
paroneayeawe see if we can get the official zope zpt to work20:31
paroneayeabut I understand the latter is a real hassle20:31
paroneayeaor we can switch to another templating language, which also seems completely absurd20:31
nathanyparoneayea: the latter *may* be a real hassle...20:31
nathanyyes, quite20:31
nathanyhave we reported the chameleon issue upstream?20:32
paroneayeanot yet.  I'll file a ticket now.20:32
nathanyparoneayea: great, definite first step20:32
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pyraki've relocated to a starbucks because a) my home wifi webt down and b) my family is driving me crazy20:35
paulproteusAh-hah.20:35
nathanylol20:36
pyrakso this random woman just decided to school some kids that aren't hers20:37
Bovinityin the starbucks?20:37
paroneayeapyrak: you should show your family this: http://xkcd.com/627/20:37
pyrakyes20:37
paroneayeaooh, what kind of schooling20:37
pyrakparoneayea, without clicking, i have a pretty good idea of which xkcd that is20:37
pyrakyep, i was right20:38
pyrak:)20:38
paroneayea:)20:38
akozakcclearn should change its mission to "Our mission is to minimize legal, technical, and social barriers to schooling kids."20:38
pyraknathany, nkinkade hm, i don't see acawiki on a6... looking in /var/www right now.20:39
nathanypyrak: is it on a6?20:39
nathany[I forget] -- did I tell you it was a6?20:39
nkinkadepyrak: Acawiki is on a820:39
nathany[oops]20:39
nkinkadeIt should probably be on a6, though.20:39
nkinkadeSo pyrak doesn't actually need an account on a6?20:39
nkinkadenathany: Should acawiki be on a6?20:40
pyraknkinkade, nope, you can go ahead and kill it20:40
nathanynkinkade: i doubt it's worth moving it right now... debatable if it should be on one or the other20:40
nkinkadeI guess it's fine on a8.20:41
nathanyparoneayea: it looks like the zope guys have succeeded with lots of the clean up work20:41
nathanytake a look @ http://svn.zope.org/zope.pagetemplate/trunk/src/zope/pagetemplate/readme.txt?rev=80527&view=auto20:41
nkinkadepyrak: I'll kill your a6 account as soon as you log out. ;-)20:41
paroneayeanathany: oh wow20:42
paroneayeaUsing Page Templates outside of Zope3 is very easy and straight20:42
paroneayeaforward.20:42
nathanyparoneayea: let's not go overboard until we get it working :) but yes, looks like it20:42
paroneayeawonder if that means that ZPTKit is obsolete20:42
nathanyand looks like we should be able to drop in chameleon later for speed if they fix the i18n bug20:42
nathanyparoneayea: was ZPTKit the non-Zope implementation?20:42
paroneayeahttp://pypi.python.org/pypi/ZPTKit/0.4.1 <- that's what we used @ imagescape so we could use ZPT as the templating engine for iscapaste20:43
paroneayeaiirc it was a set of hacks so that you could use ZPT with paste.20:43
nathanyi suspect it is (for some definition of obsolete) -- you'll notice that the zope version still does things like security proxies which some people may not want/need20:43
paroneayeaI never looked at it in detail though20:43
nathanyah, got it20:43
paroneayeagotcha20:43
paroneayeaokay, I'm going to give this a try20:44
nathanycool20:44
pyraknkinkade, i left open an ssh session when i went offline, so you may have to wait for that to time out20:44
pyrakor however that works20:44
nkinkadeI have no problem killing that as well.20:44
nkinkadehaha20:44
pyrakso now that i have access to these files (as i had all along), i no longer have access to a winblows machine20:45
pyrakpoor planning on my part20:45
akozakcan't wait for this to get wrapped up: http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page20:55
paulproteusI'm somewhat terrified.20:55
akozakwhys that?20:56
paulproteusI think the recommendations will be enormous and hard to do.20:56
paulproteusWe'll see though!20:56
paulproteusI hope otherwise.20:56
akozakwhat recommendations?20:57
akozakthe ones specified by the grant?20:57
paulproteusThe final usability recommendations.20:57
paulproteusPost-study.20:57
akozakah, I'm mostly excited about the mockups20:57
paulproteusPlus Monobook has a place in my heart.20:57
akozakhaha20:57
akozakI mean the mediawiki toolbox right now is basically just a text field.20:58
paulproteusLet me put it this way.20:58
paulproteusYou're right, I'm just a nerd who likes things the way they are.20:58
greg-gNERD!20:58
Bovinity"babaco" still looks pretty much like monobook20:59
greg-gthat is the second time today I have called someone a nerd, I know many many nerds :)20:59
akozakhaha20:59
paulproteusbrb all, will be back in 30m or so20:59
greg-gtah20:59
akozakmediawiki needs a wysiwyg editor21:01
akozakoptional21:01
greg-git does, doesn't it?21:09
akozakI think I just saw discovered crawl http://www.senate.gov/~boxer/21:20
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jibotJoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ & Jonkichi (A) & Tasmanian (H) on Eitrigg (US) on WoW & I'm sure he'll be pleased to know he is once again in jeanniecool's good graces & All hail supreme ruler of the channel! (Trumpets!) & was internet famous more than once & some guy & the healthiest guy in the # & down with the dog that looks like a Panda & easy to add to trusted devices if you pretend t be Tom Coates. & the synthesis of idealism and capitalism & at ht21:21
Bovinitynkinkade: is the civi personal donation template customisable in the usual ways (before I start poking around)21:24
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nkinkadeBovinity: I would imagine that it is ... in some smarty TPL file, but I haven't looked at it.21:51
Bovinitynkinkade: ya, i found it, PCPInfo.tpl21:51
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jibotpyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern22:07
paroneayea<a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/"><img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0"/></a><br/> This work is licensed under a [a rel='license' href='${license_uri}'] Creative Commons ${license_title} ${license_version} ${license_jurisdiction} License [/a] This work by ${attribution_name} is licensed under a [a rel='license' href='${license_uri}'] Creative Commons ${license_title}22:11
paroneayea${license_version} ${license_jurisdiction} License [/a] ${worktitle} is licensed under a [a rel='license' href='${license_uri}'] Creative Commons ${license_title} ${license_version} ${license_jurisdiction} License [/a] ${worktitle} by ${attribution_name} is licensed under a [a rel='license' href='${license_uri}'] Creative Commons ${license_title} ${license_version} ${license_jurisdiction} License [/a]22:11
paroneayeawell!22:11
paroneayeathe tal:conditions aren't working, but using zope.pagetemplate seems to work22:12
paroneayeatranslation's not working either (yet?), but anyway22:12
paroneayeatal:conditions not working, as in it's including all macros22:12
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paroneayeawrapped them in extra spans, now those work22:16
paroneayeasweet22:16
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jibotmlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons22:28
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paulproteusSo much for 30 minues.23:14
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jibotpyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern23:38
pyrakit's absurd how much the world wants me to not be on the internet today23:50
JED3haha23:51
pyrakturns out my laptop battery is completely dead23:51
pyrakgood news: i have the extended battery that i can use while i wait23:51
pyrakbad news: it was a huge waste of money: only 1 hour extra and it literally adds a set of protruding handle bars to the back of my machine23:52
JED3haha23:52

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