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| jibot | JoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ & Jonkichi (A) & Tasmanian (H) on Eitrigg (US) on WoW & I'm sure he'll be pleased to know he is once again in jeanniecool's good graces & All hail supreme ruler of the channel! (Trumpets!) & was internet famous more than once & some guy & the healthiest guy in the # & down with the dog that looks like a Panda & easy to add to trusted devices if you pretend t be Tom Coates. & the synthesis of idealism and capitalism & at ht | 04:39 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth | 04:56 |
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| paulproteus | pyrak, oy | 05:48 |
| pyrak | paulproteus, veh | 05:49 |
| pyrak | or vay | 05:49 |
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| paulproteus | Hey bhy_! | 06:08 |
| bhy_ | paulproteus, hi :) | 06:10 |
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| mattcoop | hello cchelpbot | 06:17 |
| mattcoop | hi all, I have a quick question about a user-generated content site. my client is soliciting blog posts and short messages from users, and they want to ensure that they can reuse the content. we are recommending that they specify a cc license that will automatically be applied to all submissions. do you have any examples of sites that have done something similar? thanks. | 06:29 |
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| jibot | JoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ & Jonkichi (A) & Tasmanian (H) on Eitrigg (US) on WoW & I'm sure he'll be pleased to know he is once again in jeanniecool's good graces & All hail supreme ruler of the channel! (Trumpets!) & was internet famous more than once & some guy & the healthiest guy in the # & down with the dog that looks like a Panda & easy to add to trusted devices if you pretend t be Tom Coates. & the synthesis of idealism and capitalism & at ht | 08:14 |
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| paroneayea | good morning everyone | 13:56 |
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| mecredis | paroneayea: non-PST ftw | 14:05 |
| paroneayea | mecredis: heh :) | 14:06 |
| greg-g | indeed, I feel like an early riser even though I sleep in until 8am | 14:06 |
| paroneayea | I've been up for hours, but it's been good... I've been checking things off my todo lists | 14:06 |
| mecredis | yeah. its definitely one of those mondays | 14:06 |
| mecredis | late august | 14:07 |
| mecredis | everything else feels slow | 14:07 |
| greg-g | indeed, just got back from a backpacking trip and today feels a tad slow | 14:07 |
| mecredis | heh http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/15411#comment-233509 | 14:11 |
| greg-g | wow, Mike was taking some heat on that post | 14:19 |
| mecredis | yeah, the anti-wikipedia camp dug in | 14:19 |
| greg-g | apparently | 14:20 |
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| mecredis | this is interesting | 14:23 |
| mecredis | http://www.thecosmonaut.org/ | 14:23 |
| paroneayea | oh neat | 14:23 |
| mecredis | yeah, not sure what stage they're at | 14:24 |
| paroneayea | speaking of neat, highly-editable movies | 14:24 |
| paroneayea | I'm so stoked about Project Durian | 14:24 |
| mecredis | I'm actually consistently surprised how many people are trying this format | 14:24 |
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| paroneayea | and requires evil flash unless you use a downloading tool, but: http://vimeo.com/6143607 | 14:25 |
| paroneayea | they've got a really solid set of artists on this one | 14:25 |
| mecredis | heh, kind of like you suck at photoshop for gimp | 14:26 |
| mecredis | and no attitude | 14:26 |
| paroneayea | yeah, that guy's the concept artist for Durian | 14:26 |
| paroneayea | <3 Blender Foundation / Blender Institute | 14:27 |
| paroneayea | It doesn't take much to tell I'm kind of a blender fanboy though. | 14:27 |
| paroneayea | when I taught classes on the GIMP at this community center thingy, I was trying to teach kids there how free and open source software development works... the Blender Open Movies actually was the one thing that really drove it home for them | 14:27 |
| paroneayea | I showed them the movies, then opened up the files in blender and messed with the characters | 14:28 |
| mecredis | yeah, its pretty difficult for non-developers to wrap their heads around what source code is | 14:28 |
| paroneayea | and explained the blender files are kind of like source code for software | 14:28 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 14:28 |
| mecredis | let alone why open source is important | 14:28 |
| paroneayea | it really helped them understand those ideas | 14:28 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 14:29 |
| paroneayea | that's why I'm such a huge fan of Blender, I think. It's one of those few communities that's managed to bridge free software and free culture in a very serious way | 14:29 |
| mecredis | yeah, i think that's true | 14:29 |
| mecredis | blender's learning curve is pretty brutal though | 14:29 |
| paroneayea | I mean, other tools have that too I suppose, like the GIMP and such, but there aren't the same kind of communities and active artists the way there is with blender | 14:29 |
| paroneayea | yeah that's certainly true | 14:30 |
| paroneayea | though that's true for any 3d app | 14:30 |
| mecredis | its interesting that more people don't talk about Wikipedia page source being similar to uncompiled source | 14:30 |
| paroneayea | the 2.5 UI overhaul should make it a lot better | 14:30 |
| mecredis | people unseriously say wikipedia is open soruce | 14:30 |
| paroneayea | yeah that's true | 14:30 |
| mecredis | but they don't really get what wikimarkup is | 14:30 |
| mecredis | and think that wikipedia = content | 14:30 |
| mecredis | but really, take at any remotely sophisticalted article | 14:31 |
| paroneayea | wikipedia is the one place where non-developers interact with diffing and revision control :) | 14:31 |
| mecredis | and the markup behind it | 14:31 |
| mecredis | right! | 14:31 |
| mecredis | I mean some people know the history behind that | 14:31 |
| mecredis | but the amount of sophisticated undersatnding wikipedia editors have of media version control | 14:31 |
| mecredis | is staggering | 14:31 |
| mecredis | anyway, just saying it might be useful | 14:32 |
| mecredis | to show source | 14:32 |
| mecredis | on a page like [[France]] | 14:32 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 14:32 |
| mecredis | and then explain all the decisions that go on behind that | 14:32 |
| mecredis | that aren't content | 14:32 |
| mecredis | I'm teaching a class this semester | 14:32 |
| paroneayea | oh yeah, what on? | 14:33 |
| mecredis | and going to have 2-3 days on Wikipedia | 14:33 |
| mecredis | first day is content | 14:33 |
| mecredis | second day is structure | 14:33 |
| mecredis | and 3rd day is going to be a discussion | 14:33 |
| paroneayea | another thing about using blender showing .blends as source code and images/videos as binaries: | 14:33 |
| paroneayea | the "rendering" step is very similar to compiling | 14:33 |
| mecredis | http://fredbenenson.com/blog/?p=596&preview=true | 14:33 |
| mecredis | ^^ thats my class, etc. | 14:33 |
| paroneayea | oh cool | 14:34 |
| mecredis | almost done with the syllabus | 14:34 |
| mecredis | anyway, one assignment is going to be write an article about a wikipedia article | 14:34 |
| mecredis | and detail its history | 14:34 |
| mecredis | I'm going to pre-select a number of articles that have really juicy stories behind them | 14:34 |
| mecredis | like [[Muhammed]] | 14:34 |
| mecredis | this ivdieo is awesome btw | 14:37 |
| mecredis | mind if I microblog to @creativecommons and HT @cwebber? | 14:38 |
| mecredis | ;) | 14:38 |
| paroneayea | HT? | 14:41 |
| mecredis | hat tip | 14:41 |
| mecredis | heh | 14:41 |
| mecredis | indirect RT | 14:42 |
| paroneayea | oh sure :) | 14:42 |
| mecredis | http://twitter.com/creativecommons/status/3513584230 | 14:45 |
| mecredis | :) | 14:45 |
| paroneayea | hm | 14:47 |
| paroneayea | http://twitter.com/cwebber is probably confused | 14:47 |
| paroneayea | :) | 14:47 |
| mecredis | doh | 14:47 |
| mecredis | wait | 14:48 |
| mecredis | what is yours? | 14:48 |
| paroneayea | http://identi.ca/cwebber | 14:48 |
| mecredis | ahaha | 14:48 |
| paroneayea | poor guy gets naming conflicts from me all the time | 14:48 |
| mecredis | hahahah | 14:48 |
| mecredis | I was going to say | 14:48 |
| mecredis | it didn't really add up | 14:48 |
| mecredis | well at least http://identi.ca/notice/8744592 makes sense | 14:48 |
| paroneayea | yep | 14:49 |
| mecredis | oh well I'll remember that | 14:49 |
| paroneayea | http://twitter.com/cwebber/status/1850414033 | 14:49 |
| paroneayea | :) | 14:49 |
| mecredis | poor guy | 14:49 |
| mecredis | haha | 14:50 |
| paroneayea | figured out this frustrating bug wasn't my code, in zpt.chameleon instead | 15:09 |
| paroneayea | sometimes when that happens I'm not sure whether to feel relieved or more frustrated | 15:09 |
| paroneayea | (when that happens with bugs in dependencies in general) | 15:10 |
| mecredis | yeah, finding other peoples bugs when programming is always a weird experience | 15:13 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 15:14 |
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| jibot | akozak is Alex Kozak, SFC@Berkeley co-founder and currently working for ccLearn | 15:55 |
| akozak | jibot?! | 15:56 |
| akozak | nkinkade: This is really weird, I'm getting a permission denied error trying to do some discovered stuff, even when I use sudo. | 16:15 |
| nkinkade | check the permissions of the files you are working on. | 16:16 |
| akozak | I thought it didn't matter if I was su | 16:17 |
| nkinkade | It matters. | 16:20 |
| akozak | nkinkade: yea nathany is the owner of most of the stuff in here | 16:21 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I would leave nathany as the owner unless he tells you otherwise. | 16:21 |
| akozak | I'm starting to notice a lot of permission denieds doing other routine stuff, but it looks like it's mostly log write stuff | 16:21 |
| nkinkade | Or unless you know better. | 16:21 |
| akozak | yea | 16:21 |
| akozak | ok I can't even build the index, I'll just wait for nathany to get in | 16:25 |
| nkinkade | But regarding the earlier statement, permissions can matter under some circumstances, even for root. | 16:27 |
| akozak | Interesting. I had always thought being root overrode whatever permissions there are. | 16:28 |
| nkinkade | For example: | 16:28 |
| nkinkade | $ touch test | 16:28 |
| nkinkade | $ chmod 000 test | 16:28 |
| nkinkade | $ sudo vi test | 16:28 |
| nkinkade | See what happens. | 16:28 |
| akozak | interesting | 16:29 |
| akozak | makes sense, but still inconvenient to me right now :) | 16:32 |
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| jibot | Bovinity is brilliant and aware of Basement Cat, and iz not afraid. | 16:32 |
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| paroneayea | god damn | 16:39 |
| paroneayea | I am diving much deeper into chameleon's source code to debug this than I expected I'd have to | 16:39 |
| paroneayea | somehow some context stuff is not being passed in to the template when internationzlisation is enabled | 16:43 |
| paroneayea | but since it compiles the template to a python file I'm trying to read the serialization code | 16:43 |
| * paroneayea wonders if he is wasting time :\ | 16:43 | |
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| jibot | mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons | 16:50 |
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| paroneayea | oh no :( | 16:51 |
| paroneayea | I think I've figured out the source of this "bug", and I think it means there's pretty much no way to make this work with chameleon.zpt | 16:52 |
| mecredis | wow, sounds messy. | 17:04 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 17:51 |
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| jibot | akozak is Alex Kozak, SFC@Berkeley co-founder and currently working for ccLearn | 18:08 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth | 18:27 |
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| pyrak | nkinkade, ping? | 22:04 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: Hi. | 22:04 |
| nkinkade | Where are you these days? | 22:04 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, los angeles | 22:04 |
| pyrak | NRY was crazy enough to ask me to do some more stuff over the next couple weeks | 22:04 |
| nkinkade | Has craziness ensued? | 22:05 |
| pyrak | i want to make a staging instance of acawiki on a8, and... | 22:05 |
| pyrak | i guess bottom line: i want to clone something on a8. is it wise to copy/paste my ssh keys from my local machine to my home dir on a8? | 22:06 |
| pyrak | by "clone something on a8" i mean "clone something in our git repo, into my home dir on 18" | 22:06 |
| pyrak | a8* | 22:06 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: I don't see a problem with it as long as you copy them over a secure channel. | 22:06 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, just out of curiousity, do people often keep the same key pair across all or most of the machines they operate? | 22:07 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: By the way, when will the new search launch? | 22:07 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, perhaps now, while i wait for files to download | 22:08 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: I don't usually, but I'm not sure there is a problem with it as long as they are moved from place to place securely. | 22:08 |
| nkinkade | But one thing that comes to mind is the phrase: single point of failure. | 22:08 |
| nkinkade | Something doesn't feel right about doing it that way, just like something doesn't feel right about OpenID for many applications. | 22:08 |
| nkinkade | The idea being that if someone somehow got your key pair, then may then have instant access to all sorts of things. | 22:10 |
| nkinkade | So how secure is each machine you keep your keys on. | 22:10 |
| pyrak | hm, okay | 22:10 |
| nkinkade | Likewise with OpenID ... put too many things under protection of your OpenID and all someone needs to do is get hold of your password and suddenly every single thing protected by your OpenID is wide open to them. | 22:11 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: That said, I don't see a problem with you copying your keys to a8. | 22:11 |
| pyrak | okay, thanks | 22:12 |
| greg-g | hah, and thus begins the never ending intern -> employee circuit | 22:46 |
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| pyrak | greg-g, hope so! but this is actually just a simple, short-term thing | 23:04 |
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